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I was wondering, are your thoughts and discussions points controlled by media. Is the news being kept from you? are you aware that a tanker was attacked in the Gulf? are you aware a tradegy is occuring in northern Syria? are you obvlious and just want to focus on what various dills are doing in a small pocket of supposed civilisation just because it is close to you?
This is important and far reaching in its implications
Paraclete: Yes, I am aware of all of which you say here:
There is a lot of what the media puts out that IS CONTROLLED by forces that I don't know the origin of...I don't think its the U.S. Government because the media is decidedly against the current Administration by a great margin: The "sport" of the day/the style of today/the "in vogue" thing to be today is anti-Trump: its the fashion....so, if the government controlled the media, it certainly wouldn't be anti-Trump, it would be an apparatus of the government, which it clearly is not.
Yes, I know there is lot going on in Northern Syria: I don't expect it to go on very long now that Assad has stepped-in and sided with the Kurds: Turkey has nothing for the Syrians because Russia is Syria's ally.....Turkey won't press the issue for too much longer....UNLESS Assad chooses to ALLOW Turkey to slaughter the Kurds and eliminate/exterminate them so he doesn't have to do so. Truth is, we should have ALL gotten behind Assad when he was fighting ISIS to a standstill all by himself BEFORE Russian intervention: Assad showed and extreme amount of courage in standing ALONE fighting and entire blitzkrieg of foreign fighter and the Western cabal of U.S., French, Saudi, British, and other nations chipping in against him.....Anyone who can do that, who is willing to do that, for his country earns some respect or should.
Yes, know about the oil tanker: U.S. can tell the entire M.E. to shove their oil up their asses, the U.S. is energy independent now, the largest exporter of oil in the world! Too bad for Europe and others dependent upon Iranian oil: They are so dependent that they would deal with the devil to get their oil....would look the other way and permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons to get their oil......no don't have much sympathy for the Europeans outside of the ones who have stood up to Germany's 3rd attempt at European conquest called the E.U.....these countries would be Great Britain, Poland, Czech Republic, and Italy who have told Germany to go shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Originally Posted by Vacuum7
You see the media bias is showing. Assad didn't oppose ISIS directly he had his hands full with US backed insurgents, even now he hasn't moved against them because he still has insurgents in Idlib to deal with as well as Turkey in his north west. Turkey is now forcing his hand to protect the Kurds as well as Syrian territory.
The media bias is showing as you say you don't need the rest of the world and particularly Iran, but you have to trade with them. We should be exploring who attacked the tanker. Yes, you are an important oil producer but where is that exported product going?
Paraclete: One thing FOR SURE: The U.S. can tell the whole world to go to hell with their oil because we produce all WE need!
I wouldn't go that far, and I don't think it's quite that simple, but for those of us who well remember the 73 oil embargo, it is a wonderful blessing to be energy independent.Quote:
Paraclete: One thing FOR SURE: The U.S. can tell the whole world to go to hell with their oil because we produce all WE need!
I'm sure they are looking at who attacked that tanker, and maybe they know but ain't telling.Quote:
The U.S. Is Exporting Its Oil Everywhere. With American stockpiles at unprecedented levels, oil tankers laden with U.S. crude have docked in, or are heading to, countries including France, Germany, the Netherlands, Israel, China and Panama. Oil traders said other destinations are likely, just as supplies in Europe and the Mediterranean region are also increasing.
The U.S. Is Exporting Its Oil Everywhere - Bloomberg
Poor Iran: Don't think they will get much sympathy.
Iran has Vlad, Assad, and a host of militias accross the globe. They don't need our sympathy. Soon they will have the Kurds too, AND the Ukraine.
Where do the stinking Turks fall into this scheme?
They seem to be intent on securing towns and territories in Syria along their border supposedly for a buffer zone against Kurd(?). Well that's what was reported. They also intend to resettle Syrian refugees in that area, while the hold our 50 nukes in Turkey hostage. Who knows what that nut job dictator wants or the game he plays with our dufus.
Talaniman: You know, Turkey never even got so much as a slap on the wrist for all the evils perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire, including the Armenian Genocide, the abuses to Arabs, and being on the wrong side in WWI....I am surprised any Arabs would cozy up to them. I also can't believe the Russians will just sit back and permit Turkey to run amuck in Syria since Russia and Syria are tight.
Vlad plays the long game, and as the US fails and falls back, Vlad advances. You do know that he is talking to the Saudis too don't you? If we cannot protect the Saudis, or the Kurds, Vlad can, at a price of course.
Vlad wins.
Talaniman: This is a crazy thought BUT: Why can't the U.S. and Russia be allies? Wouldn't that shake up the world?
For one, Vlad is a bonafied criminal dictator bent on destroying the west and returning Russia to it's former glory. How do you make friends with that? Ronald Reagan said it best when he and Gorby started co operating in several areas: "Trust but VERIFY!".
Yeah be great if people could be allies and in some things they can be but not in everything it seems.
What we need is something to get us all on the same page, Xi saw it and offered the belt and road, a diversion maybe but he has got a lot of people on the same page. Vlad doesn't need confrontation with the US, surely his country has suffered enough of that, but Russia is an old civilisation, much older than the US, and a little respect could change muchQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Paraclete: I believe a U.S.-Russian alliance, of some sort, could have a great stabilizing effect upon the entire world. Start it with trade!
It would be like a cat having an alliance with a mouse.
you should not think of yourself as a mouse or as a cat. The US has vast resources, so has Russia their greatest resource has proven to be the sacrifice of their peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well the dufus and Moscow Mitch would love some of that oligarch money for themselves. If they would just lift those sanctions even if it was one oligarch at a time. Personally I would have a problem trusting a leader who would kill and imprison his political opponents, and invaded his neighbors with his armies.
The dufusdoes fit right in with the other psycho leaders in the world though. Just never thought we would have our own psychopath wanna be monarch.
Yeah. If Trump turns out that way, then it would be two in a row.Quote:
Just never thought we would have our own psychopath wanna be monarch.
He came in that way, with his shadow government flunkies and elected sycophants, and acting cabinet members. I choose to ignore your comparisons to Obama as just more ideological hate speech with no roots in logic. It allows you after all to ignore and dismiss facts of reality NOW. The dufus is despicable, but he feeds your fears with stupid promises he cannot keep, and stokes your hate. You love it, and I feel for you, choosing chaos and more debt. I understand why you choose hate and fear and chaos though, because the world is changing rapidly, and you struggle to keep up.
Translation: You choose to consciously ignore the obvious and then try to justify that by completely ridiculous statements such as, "but he feeds your fears with stupid promises he cannot keep, and stokes your hate," also known as a straw man argument.Quote:
I choose to ignore your comparisons to Obama as just more ideological hate speech with no roots in logic.
Your condensation doesn't surprise me at all. Nor does your half baked translation.
Of course it doesn't. You knew it was true without me having to tell you.Quote:
Your condensation doesn't surprise me at all.
You and the dufus have no clue what you're talking about, but that doesn't seem to stop either of you from yammering on.
Says the man who chooses blissful ignorance of Benghazi, the VA scandal, the Lynch/BC scandal, and the many other failings of the Obama admin. Like I have said before, it is your total refusal to deal with the truth about BO and HC that makes your protests ring hollow for me.Quote:
You and the dufus have no clue what you're talking about,
I don't know why you continue to associate me with Trump. I applaud him where he deserves it and am critical when warranted. Can you say the same about your beloved HC and BO?
You weren't here when Obama ran things so you missed it. YOUR bad. Sorry ain't playing that silly game. You never answered what part of a lying, cheating, big mouth bully dufus wasn't the truth.
I think that description is probably accurate, though I don't think he lies and cheats any more than your hero Mr. Obama did. He's just not nearly as slick about it.Quote:
You never answered what part of a lying, cheating, big mouth bully dufus wasn't the truth.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The truth is not one of your strong points.
4 Pinocchios.
Yeah. Benghazi. VA scandal. Lynch/BC meeting. Doubling of the national debt. AP phone records scandal. IRS scandal. You can keep your doctor. You can keep your insurance. "I'll have more flexibility after the election."
And we've only talked about these things a dozen times, but believe what you want. Just don't ask me to drink the kool aid.
Now list the dufus lies, scandals and transgressions so we can compare the two fairly. Take your time.
Hey! That's your job. Just make sure it's as accurate as mine. The only one I can think of right off hand is saying he would make his tax return public. I'm sure you'll think of more.
Glad to oblige.
http://www.andywightman.com/archives/858
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...trump-lie-list
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump...s-hank-berrien
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-is-wrong.html
You need more as this is a partial from 2016-17 ? Of course there is a lot more.Quote:
A lie is a false statement made intentionally. (Merriam-Webster: “Lie, verb: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.”) In some cases, it’s safe to say Trump is intentionally trying to deceive. In other cases, it’s far less clear that he’s being wrong intentionally — because, with Donald Trump, you regularly can’t rule out the possibility that he is confused or ignorant.
If we journalists are going to present ourselves as arbiters of truth, we have to stick to what we know is true. And that means not calling something a lie when we don’t have a reasonable certainty that Trump’s intention is deception.
Just list them like I did with Obama. I'm not going to go on one of your wild goose chases.
I did like this. "If we journalists are going to present ourselves as arbiters of truth, we have to stick to what we know is true. And that means not calling something a lie when we don’t have a reasonable certainty that Trump’s intention is deception."
I went to your first link only to find nonsense like this. "Trump has repeatedly claimed that he had a deal, a promise or reassurances that wind turbines would not be built within view of his golf resort
AsI stated five years, I would not have gone forward with wind turbines off our coastline and was repeatedly promised, as an incentive for us to proceed with my project, that wind turbines would not be destroying and distorting Aberdeen’s magnificent coastline. (2)
No evidence of such a deal has ever been produced and Scottish Ministers have consistently denied the existence of any deal. If Trump has the evidence, he should produce it. Otherwise, he should shut up."
In other words, the guy has no idea if Trump lied or not. Besides, we are talking about President Trump, not citizen Trump. I limited myself to Obama's presidency. Please do likewise.
You can filter it any way you want but fact is he lies a lot and as the link points out either intentionally or through ignorance or confusion. So everyday he is either deceptive, ignorant or confused? DUFUS!
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
OK.
To oblige you, Trump has over 13,000 lies and misclaims since his presidency. They can easily be found by googling Trump's 13,000 lies - or words to that effect.
You'll probably find a way to not do that, but there it is for you and others like you.
I googled Obama's lies and found, using the same standard used for Trump's lies, that Obama had 18 lies in his eight years in office compared to Trump's 13,000+ lies in three years.
Total nonsense. According to one article, Trump has claimed 204 times that this economy is the best in history. The article said that was a "false claim", but the unemployment rate is, indeed, historically low. So it's an exaggeration that all pols make. Now has he intentionally lied concerning the deaths of 4 Americans in order to ensure his reelection? No. Did Obama? Yes.
If you are arguing that Trump tends to be careless with facts, then you are exactly right. But if you are going to try and continue with the "Saint Obama" narrative, you'll have to find some other kool aid drinking liberal to agree with you on that one.
Tal, I recall asking for your thoughts no regurgation
FACTOIDSQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Obama left the country with a 4.7 unemployment number and in 3 years the dufus has dropped it a point!
Obama still created more jobs than the dufus despite the recession.
I don't know whose Kool aid you drank, but how about some credit due for Mr. Obama and stop listening to just the dufus LIES, exaggerations, and falsehoods.
We start off on subject but we ramble on don't we.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So what do you make of this? It's just a chart. Sorry for the link. I tried to copy and paste the image, but for some reason that does not work for me. No idea why that is.
https://unemploymentdata.com/wp-cont...-11-3-2017.png
I have given him credit. I think it would be helpful if you would take your own advice and start giving Trump some credit rather than continuing to listen just to the lies, exaggerations, and falsehoods about the Obama years.Quote:
but how about some credit due for Mr. Obama and stop listening to just the dufus LIES, exaggerations, and falsehoods.
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