I bet Trump said " tell Vlad I'll have more flexibilty after the election " .
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/tru...laint-n1056196
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I bet Trump said " tell Vlad I'll have more flexibilty after the election " .
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/tru...laint-n1056196
Tomder55: I just bet there are a ton of dolts out there thinking: "We got Trump this time".....but, they don't have Trump this time, just like they never have had him before with anything else.....all the fake documentation in the "Steele Magnolias" dossier, the Cohen testimony, and so many other bunches of pure crap! Teflon Don survives yet again. And I am not even a Trump supporter but I can see when people try to "pile-on" and I don't like that.
Shouldn't we wait and see what the facts are? Like everything the dufus does this sounds fishy as hell too! Luckily I have Netflix, popcorn and fantasy sports while things get sorted out. No hurry, whether we make the dufus accountable tomorrrow, next year, or any day after that is cool with me. Hope you get to a lifeboat after your Titanic dufus finally sinks Vac, or do you prefer V7?
Talaniman: I will be the first to condemn the POTUS IF they ever find irrefutable evidence that he did anything. You have to provide to him the SAME rights as every other U.S. Citizen, even if you don't like him (you) or you are indifferent to him (me): He is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW....NOT THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION!
He isn't my Titanic....but he may be a battleship....just hope its not the Bismarck!
You can presume his innocence all you want, but the facts will eventually find the light of day. Until then wear a life jacket...you know...just in case.
Expecting a tsunami Tal? seems to me the time for tsunamis have past, just like Meuller and his pseudo investigation. Too much talk, not enough actionQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Paraclete: I think you are correct: Normally, at least in the last 80+ years or so, the left in the U.S. has always been "smarter" politically and sharper tactically as well as strategically than has been the right....but, with President Trump, whether it be him or the people behind him, the left seems, for lack of a better word, "punch-drunk": they just seemed confused and unable to get any traction against Trump. I am not pulling for one side or the other, I just want the U.S. to continue to progress, but all of these investigations by the left are killing themselves, not Trump: Trump is actually thriving under all this scrutiny and left looks more leaderless and more inept than they ever have in history!
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do turn steadily. It's a bit to premature to declare the dufus untouchable, no matter how much snake oil he douses on himself, or the yes men and sycophants he surrounds himself with. It appears to me though the bully will run out of places to hide the truth, or accountability for his own actions.
So if you want to remain skeptics and cheerleaders that's fine by me, and as I sit back and enjoy the show the ending is pretty clear The good guys will eventually win. The dufus ain't a good guy, just so you know.
See your bias is showing, now if Tramp had been a democrat candidate you would be cheering himQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Are you kidding me? Maybe I am biased against the dufus, and if he was a democrat I would write in Boo Boo the clown on my ballot or seriously considered the repub running against him.
me thinks thou dost protest too much
You could be right Clete, we should just shut up and let the loonies enjoy themselves while they can.
Trump is beyond Republican or Democrat. He's a Mammonite.
Turns out this big story is an old story about Biden pressuring Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden's and Joe's corruption . His corrupt dealings with Ukraine are easy to document. There’s even video of him admitting it. The media will now be forced to actually cover it.
tomder55: Are you joking....you must be! The media WILL NEVER COVER ANYTHING AGAINST THE LEFT: N E V E R!!! The
Media couldn't even summon the courage to admit that Richard Millhouse Nixon nailed the COMMUNIST SPY ALGER HISS 70 years ago! All that happened was that they attacked Nixon incessantly for the next 24 years until Nixon's gutless Republican Congressmen and Senators wimped out on him during the Watergate tragedy.
The Media is in the left's hip pocket and that ain't changing.....but its O.K.: All of the left and ALL of the Media is coming after Trump and Trump is still kicking all of their asses! Trump is like KING KONG!
You know, when you are nonaligned, like I am, this crap is super entertaining!
V7: Do you realize the two parties switched positions during the early '60s?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...tz-book-216538
W.G.: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 WAS A REPUBLICAN LED PLAN! They tried to pass it in 1958 but the Democrats killed it....then, in 1964, the Republicans got enough Democrats to come over and vote for it that it passed....only one Republican Senator voted against it.....IT WASN'T JOHNSON'S PLAN, WASN'T PART OF THE GREAT SOCIETY, AND DAMN SURE WASN'T A DEMOCRAT PLAN!
What is shameful for the Republicans, beside being gutless as they can be, is that they have let the Democrats CO-OPT the Civil Rights Movement! The Republicans FREED THE SLAVES, for GOD's sake and the DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF THE KLAN! DARNED FACTS! And now the DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF THE SOCIALISTS!
Look, I was born in the morning, but not THIS MORNING! The Democrats have a vested interest in keeping minorities downtrodden and on the public dole....why? Because they think that will get these poor and mostly uneducated people to vote DEMOCRAT.....Trump is changing all this dynamic: Under Trump, Black Unemployment is lower than it has ever been! Trump doesn't talk all that well but he sure performs well ECONOMICALLY AND FISCALLY! And minorities are starting to take notice....and that scare the hell out of the left.
Those repubs of which you speak are long gone and replaced by the conversion of dems who became repubs The dufus piggy backing on the Obama economic gains and claiming it was just all him falls on deaf ears to the minorities who know better than to trust his word for it, and while you tout those great job numbers they also remember that last hired first fired always applies, and black unemployment is still higher than whites and double in some regions so you want to use stats to convince someone how much you're doing for them?
"White man speak with forked tongue" is the axiom applied here, no matter how the dufus spins his greatness. You would do well to factor that into your rants and give the minorities a lot more credit than to follow the RACIST feeding you BS and plenty of home brewed snake oil.
That's why the dem power structure has minorities and women, and repubs, well they look like you do. Yeah we are taking notice of that FACT!
Talaniman: Candace Owens doesn't look like me....neither does Dr. Ben Carson.....and there are many others.....and there are a bunch of Cuban Americans in South Florida that don't look like me....you know the ones I am talking about: The ones that ran Nancy Pelosi out of town! Republicans are all colors! And, so are Libertarians: The Dems are simply Race baiters.
You still don't have the numbers guy. I mean, do the math. You are aware that Pelosi is back and the dems have the House aren't you?
Talaniman: Not so impressed with those kind of numbers...they are slaves on proverbial "Liberal Plantation" (I know the Repubs use that line but I stole it, too good not to steal)..….Blacks are coming around.
tomder55: That is all ANYONE needs to see and know...Biden is corrupt!
Hey Vac do you have any politician who isn't corrupt one way or another?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Sorry fellows, that's not even close to the whole story. EVERYBODY and his mama wanted Shokin removed for years for corruption of the Ukrainian legal system. I highly suggest you extend the knowledge base on this matter beyond a minute YouTube clip for background into this. I mean right wing talking points don't minimize the distraction of the dufus lawless antics for his own re election by obstructing yet another investigation into his own corruption.
The issue is the whistleblower and the obligation by law for the DNI to inform the congress fully, based on the IG report regarding his/her veracity and credibility. Sorry wingers, repeating talking points doesn't compare to the issues before us, and you can't ignore those facts.
Biden’s defense is, not I didn’t do it, but “no media outlet gives any credibility to the story.”
So Tal ,it has nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings peddling off of his father's influence ?
Is that illegal? What does THAT have to do with the dufus extorting Ukraine to get dirt on his political foe? I'm not condoning the kids of powerful political figures cashing in on mommy or daddy's position, heck the dufus kids are doing that NOW, aren't they, but let's at least examine all the facts and put things in perspective and not just look away at what our government is allowing the dufus to do and get away with with impunity.
The dufus just replaced a bunch of folks who knew what they were doing with a bunch of folks that do as they are told and Guiliani spilled the beans on the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7eR1e0WE4k
And this confession counts too about the Ukraine affair!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EHQKL2wdo
which was illegal ? the President using executive privileges' ,or some whistle-blower listening in on the President's conversation with foreign leaders ?(none of any of this is confirmed by anyone as of today) .
So far there has not been too much interest in investigating the emperor's administration encouraging Ukraine to investigate Manafort on behalf of Evita's campaign....that resulted in a leak in Ukraine about cash payments to Manafort ....that resulted in Manafort's dismissal by the Trump campaign. So be it . That is politics in 2019 in a nut shell . If the Dems did not have double standards they would have no standards at all.
Btw ,Michael Atkinson the IGIC is wrong in his interpretation section 3033 of Title 50 "urgent concern"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033
It does NOT apply to a President's negotiations with another foreign leader . It applies ONLY to intelligence officials acting under the authority of the Director of National Intelligence .
You are correct, we don't know the details of what the whistleblowers report was, or HOW he got it, but the IG deemed it credible and urgent, and it's stuck in DNI hands, on direction of the WH, and DOJ, with the threat of prosecution as a leaker after following WB protocols. So we see how it actually shakes out, and see what FACTS are.
I sure ain't believing the WH version of ANYTHING at this point, not even the dirt on opponents.
Biden is acting guilty.....don't know if he did anything but he acts like a man who just got caught doing something he should not have done...doesn't look good for Biden.
Ukranian "Leader" says Trump didn't pressure him for any information....that is the Ukranian talking....pretty strong evidence nothing happened.
Ukraine is a lot "better" country than Russia, right? Its know for being a really good place, full of freedoms and what not....not like Russia, right?
After a weekend of denials, the dufus finally admitted he talked to the Ukraine about the Biden's. Dufus mouthpiece Rudy, said the State Dept. (Which they deny, and stick to the smear Biden party line when asked about it) greased the wheels of his contacts with the Ukraine government at the highest levels about getting dirt on the Biden's. This is a stark replay of 'Russia if you're listening..." from 2016. Doesn't the dufus look guilty of something? I guess you can ignore that as easy as you do the Mueller Report, and probably didn't bother to read it either, like so many of you dufus believers. That goes against your claim of NOT being a right wing loony dufus sycophant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
What do you expect them to say publicly? Why would they do anything to put itself in the middle of our politics? The must appear NUETRAL in this mess right.Quote:
Ukranian "Leader" says Trump didn't pressure him for any information....that is the Ukranian talking....pretty strong evidence nothing happened.
They want our help AGAINST the Russians, and I doubt they want to screw that up. Would you with Vlad at your doorstep?Quote:
Ukraine is a lot "better" country than Russia, right? Its know for being a really good place, full of freedoms and what not....not like Russia, right?
Talaniman: Bears don't make good neighbors.....they've been know to break into your house and tear everything asunder!
Exactly my point.
Do you have a bear problem? perhaps you have a bare problem? no, I was wrong it is a Boor problem
Bore problem? (This site is warming up with some new blood.)Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Don't we wish it were so, Bore, Boar, or Boor, I don't know there is much differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Paraclete: Yes, I am a bore....ask my wife! Hopefully, I am not a boor!
Only you would know if you are a Boor, I cannot be a judge of such things, but I can be a judge of the content here, and for the most part, Boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Maybe things will get a lot more interesting since Pelosi has made the dufus the official subject of an impeachment inquiry, and 211 of 235 dems have come out for impeachment. In addition soon after the announcement yesterday the dufus said he will release the transcripts of his call with the Ukrainian president, and the whistleblower has asked the intel committees in the House and Senate for a hearing.
Looks like it's on full steam ahead.
Talaniman: Well, the transcript was released.....and the Democrat train just ran off the rails! There is nothing there! Just as I thought! I am not at all surprised by this. I expected it. Hopefully, the AG Barr will go after Biden's son and, with any luck at all, Biden himself! Time to put the hooks into these loony left wingers and show them that frivolous actions have consequences: You can't continue to disrespect the POTUS and expect no repercussions....the left must learn that impeding the plans of the POTUS is to impede the pursuit of the well being of the American People and that can no longer be tolerated: Biden and son must be made examples of for all the left to see.
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