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SAN FRANCISCO (CN) – The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a [law] that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.

All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is... mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.

“Are you arguing seriously that you [are not required} to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Fletcher asked Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.” ... you’re putting people into a crowded room to sleep on a concrete floor with an aluminum-foil blanket on top of them ...

“The first thing you do is honor the plain meaning” of words like “safe” and “sanitary,”

“Today we have a situation where once a month a child is dying in [federal] custody,” ...the Border Patrol facilities are secure, but they’re not safe and they’re not sanitary.”

Add cruelty and willfull child abuse to this administrations resume of lying, cheating, stealing, and bullying, as well as incompetence. Wonder if all those things are the worth the price of some conservative judges, and tax cuts.

agree .................deport them; end of problem. The Border Patrol and Ice has begged Congress for more money to deal with this unprecedented influx of illegals .
If only we could think of some way to stop the inflow..... like some kind of barrier.

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If only we could think of some way to stop the inflow..... like some kind of barrier.

Help the good guys in their countries fix what's wrong.

I already sent a letter to my Rep Nita Lowy to take action to send more resources to assist border patrol and ICE in managing the detention of illegals . But she won't . She's another open border Democrat .

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I already sent a letter to my Rep Nita Lowy to take action to send more resources to assist border patrol and ICE in managing the detention of illegals . But she won't . She's another open border Democrat .

What did she say specifically?

haven't received a reply . But she heads the House Appropriations Committee .So she has the power to do something .

Dems aren't for open borders, repubs just use right wing talking LIES for re election sound bites. Now they want money for concentration camps with no soap, toothpaste or blankets. Repubs make up the law as they go along egged on and with permission of the dufus, their party leader.

you have a funny definition of concentration camps .These are the 1st ones in the world people are climbing fences to get in.

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you have a funny definition of concentration camps .These are the 1st ones in the world people are climbing fences to get in.

Very misleading, and you know it.

Anyway, children are certainly not included in your definition.

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If only we could think of some way to stop the inflow..... like some kind of barrier.

Bin there, done that and the latest barrier is Mexico to stop them or there will be a tariff barrier, perhaps that will be more effective than the border wall the Demonrats don't want. While ever you catch and release they will come, but deport them, push them back over the border. Once they realise they cannot stay the flow will stop

The fact is that since the Flores decision by Judge Dolly Gee in 2015 ,illegals crossing the border seeking asylum with children has soared . Aliens have clearly gotten the message that if they ask to be put into asylum proceedings, their children — and often if not usually the adults, too — will be released into the country shortly after they are apprehended as they await their removal proceedings.Judge Gee made her ruling because the emperor was holding children in what the left now calls 'concentration camps' in what the left is NOW calling inhumane conditions .
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/u...?module=inline

I don't recall this sudden new found outrage then .

There was outrage then and Obama changed that policy, but the dufus brought it back. Most asylum seekers do get deported after due process, still the right rages. Wonder why the law wasn't changed when repubs had full control?

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Wonder why the law wasn't changed when repubs had full control?

Wonder why the Dems didn't address reparations and some of their more radical polices when they had full control .Ted Cruz among other Repubs called for legislation to address the flaws in the' Flores v Reno' decision last year .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/841342002/

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agree .................deport them; end of problem. The Border Patrol and Ice has begged Congress for more money to deal with this unprecedented influx of illegals .

If only we could think of some way to stop the inflow..... like some kind of barrier.

Terrific response.

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Now they want money for concentration camps with no soap, toothpaste or blankets.

Uh, urr well yah! When did Concentration camps provide soap and Blankets?
Call it what it is.

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When did Concentration camps provide soap and Blankets?

As I recall from history class ;it was not a good idea to go to the showers in a concentration camp.

Isn't it strange how when Obama had detention camps, they were called "detention camps", but when Trump has detention camps, they suddenly become "concentration camps"?

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Isn't it strange how when Obama had detention camps, they were called "detention camps", but when Trump has detention camps, they suddenly become "concentration camps"?

Would you rather be in Obama's detention camp or Trump's concentration camp? No rambling allowed; choose one or the other.

I find it strange that the conversation is around what you call such camps rather than what goes on in them and how they are run.

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I find it strange that the conversation is around what you call such camps

Yeah it is stunning how labels have such impact . But once AOC started calling them that ;the whole lefty world became an echo chamber .

I already gave my suggestion about how they can be closed .

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Would you rather be in Obama's detention camp or Trump's concentration camp? No rambling allowed; choose one or the other.

Terrific response!!

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I find it strange that the conversation is around what you call such camps rather than what goes on in them and how they are run.

Just another way for the loony right-wing to divert the conversation from reailty.

Speaking of the echo chamber ;
all the Sunday shows hit the President and VP with endless questions about children held in border detention centers. Do you remember the same Sunday hosts ever bringing it up in the 8 years the emperor held kids in the same centers, that he built?

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Yeah it is stunning how labels have such impact . But once AOC started calling them that ;the whole lefty world became an echo chamber .

AOC was 1000% correct - as attested to by the many survivors and relatives of survivors of the Nazi camps. They began as concentration camps and developed into death camps.

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Speaking of the echo chamber ;
all the Sunday shows hit the President and VP with endless questions about children held in border detention centers. Do you remember the same Sunday hosts ever bringing it up in the 8 years the emperor held kids in the same centers, that he built?

Speaking of diversionary tactics. The children are in locked cages NOW. NOW.

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Speaking of the echo chamber ;
all the Sunday shows hit the President and VP with endless questions about children held in border detention centers. Do you remember the same Sunday hosts ever bringing it up in the 8 years the emperor held kids in the same centers, that he built?

You must have missed my question. I'll give you a second chance.

Would you rather be in Obama's detention camp or Trump's concentration camp? No rambling allowed; choose one or the other.

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Would you rather be in Obama's detention camp or Trump's concentration camp? No rambling allowed; choose one or the other.

looks no different to me

https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/opini...ren/index.html

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Would you rather be in Obama's detention camp or Trump's concentration camp?

Your political prejudice is on open and clear display. Obama's centers are "detention camps", but Trumps are "concentration camp(s)."

Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

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Your political prejudice is on open and clear display. Trump's centers are "detention camps", but Trumps are "concentration camp(s)."

Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

A Freudian slip? Who has the political prejudice now?

I don't say Trump supporters are deranged, but I agree with you when you say it. An unusual piece of honesty from you.

I agree and the loony right has the worst case of DDS I ever saw. DDS-Dufus Derangement Syndrome! Enphasis on the dufus, derangement and SIN part.

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Your political prejudice is on open and clear display. Trump's centers are "detention camps", but Trumps are "concentration camp(s)."

Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

Speaking of derangement ... your honest self finally shifted into gear.

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I don't say Trump supporters are deranged, but I agree with you when you say it. An unusual piece of honesty from you.

To anyone familiar with message boards, it was plainly a slip of the keyboard, but even at that, it was still not a dig at Trump. You really need to get out of your "make it up as you go along" fantasy world. But for the sake of the sleepy, I did make the correction.

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I did make the correction.

Too late - your true feelings are forever etched on this board.

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To anyone familiar with message boards, it was plainly a slip of the keyboard, but even at that, it was still not a dig at Trump. You really need to get out of your "make it up as you go along" fantasy world. But for the sake of the sleepy, I did make the correction.

Freud and Jung would have a few things to say about this.

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Too late - your true feelings are forever etched on this board.

That made me laugh. "Forever etched on this board"?? I guess that is supposed to make me panic. "Oh no! Athos has forever etched my words on this board! What shall I do??"

Have you always been such a lover of drama?

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That made me laugh. "Forever etched on this board"?? I guess that is supposed to make me panic.??"

Keep it up. We're all enjoying your freaking out.

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Keep it up. We're all enjoying your freaking out.

Have you always lived in this fantasy world of yours? I've never seen anything quite like it. You just make it up to suit you. It's really a sad sight to behold. I feel sorry for you. I hope I am never as eaten up with hatred and bitterness as you seem to be.

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I hope I am never as eaten up with hatred and bitterness as you seem to be.

You're already far ahead of me in that department. I LIKE Obama! How about you?

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Have you always lived in this fantasy world of yours? I've never seen anything quite like it. You just make it up to suit you. It's really a sad sight to behold. I feel sorry for you. I hope I am never as eaten up with hatred and bitterness as you seem to be.

Rather than acknowledge fault and apologize, the guilty too often accuse and shame the other.

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You're already far ahead of me in that department. I LIKE Obama! How about you?

Finally. A reasonable comment to reply to. I don't like Obama but then I've never met him. I did not like his presidency. Too much lying, scandal, deficit spending, etc.

I don't like Trump. He has a vindictive, shady side that I find unappealing, but I do appreciate what he has done for the economy and his efforts to appoint reasonable court judges. His willingness, aided and abetted by the Congress, to engage in reckless, deficit spending is atrocious. But considering who the dems are considering to run against him, I imagine I will vote for him again.

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Rather than acknowledge fault and apologize, the guilty too often accuse and shame the other.

That's funny. You are doing precisely what you are accusing others of doing.

What fault?