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Here we have the possibility of a false flag event, it would seem the tankers might have been attacked with mines, and there appears to be video of an "Iranian special forces team. various reports have suggested a shell, or torpedos. This is what the Trump administration wants; a justification for war. Can't get what you want with sanctions, try gun boat diplomacy
Plus he has to divert our attention again.
Take off your tin foil hat and don't be ridiculous . Trump is as odds with hardliners in his administration like Bolton over Iranian policy .Heis instinctively wary of military adventures and has never demonstrated a shoot first mentality .
Now me ;I would do another Operation Earnest Will all over their sorry a$$es But even though it is more than justified ; I am sure that will be the last option for this President .
Maybe his bone spurs still hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This week many things have hurt, but, through the halo of pain and discomfort, what did I see. Trump successfully bluffing Mexico and Iran not giving in. Tom may think I wear a tin foil hat but nothing can keep the crap outQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Could be cause for real concern here.
I think we forgot who we are dealing with. Obama should have never opened the door...blame it on him.
There is NO evidence of a "false flag" /"wag the dog" scenario The video released is the smoking gun .Iranians were sent to recover an unexploded limpet mine .Had others gotten to it first the forensic fingerprints would've pointed directly at Iran. This is not the first attack in recent weeks and the US did not point an accusing finger until the evidence made it clear who the attackers were .
Besides what would Trump need a distraction from ?Sarah Sanders resigning ? He was exonerated by Mueller . The Dems are grasping at straws trying to find anything that would justify credible claims to proceed with impeachment hearings .There has been no crisis that he hasn't weathered .
Trump did not call for a military response . He called for direct negotiations with Iran. I thought that's what all wanted ...jaw jaw instead of war war .
maybe the Houthi rebel attack on the Saudi airport using an Iraninan supplied missile was also a US false flag operation .
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/middl...ntl/index.html
I would be very cautious of getting to caught up in the Saudi/Iran dispute which has been going on for a few decades now. Let them fight their own battles. Didn't learn a darn thing from Iraq did you? Well now why would you listen to another dufus an his sycophants now?
Haven't we gone through something like this before with war criminals Bush, Cheney, Powell and Tenet? At least Powell had the decency to say he was wrong.
By now we know Trump will say and do anything to get re-elected - even a "false war".
let me repeat myself ;Trump is even more reluctant to get us into wars than the emperor was (who btw let Evita get us in a war in Libya under false premises).
My opinion on this differs from Trump because I know for a fact that Iran has waged war with us since 1979.I know that Iran is the lead sponsor of global terrorism . I know that Iran arms are being used by proxy rebels throughout the ummah . I know that Iran sends arms to terrorists all over the world .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...es-north-west/
And I know that the emperor blocked a DEA program in central America that targeted Iranian proxies because he thought it would help him get his nuclear deal with Iran . Hezbollah and the IRGC have been active in Central America for years
https://londoncenter.org/iran-in-lat...o-confront-it/
If it were up to me he would get much tougher on Iran . As it is now Trump will only tighten economic sanctions and try to build an international coalition to join him in that effort .
Let me ask then..... If Iran makes repeated attempts to shut down the straits of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman ,as they have repeatedly threatened ,what action do you think would be appropriate ? Me ;I'd sink the Iranian navy and obliterate every port of entry in Iran .
How very John Paul Jones of you
Selling nukes to the Saudis after pulling out of the Iran deal doesn't make friends with the ones still in the deal and as that falls apart all those allies you blasted you will need to build a coalition all over again. You are correct that Iran has ties in many continents, but serving the Saudis isn't a great idea. and Vlad waits in the wings to pick up any slack he sees.
I see many expensive skirmishes coming soon, and sad to say only a fool follows the dufus, but he has the repubs by the short hairs right now.
They are fighting their own battles.Quote:
Let them fight their own battles
There are always people in the world that know what's up, we just have trouble figuring out who to listen to.Quote:
Well now why would you listen to another dufus an his sycophants now?
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.Quote:
only a fool follows the dufus,
This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 16 years.Quote:
Haven't we gone through something like this before with war criminals Bush, Cheney, Powell and Tenet? At least Powell had the decency to say he was wrong.
Obviously this appears to be no big deal to some of you, Oh Trump is at it again...Cant allow him to take our focus off the bigger picture. War pfft! Just a fabrication.
The coalition building is his business. I'm with the hardliners in the adminstration .
Why should the Saudis not have nukes ? The Iran deal was not stopping them from development . The Iranians should've been given an ultimatum ;not $billions .
Non-proliferation as a concept is dead . If the Saudis don't get the technology from us ,they will get it from Pakistan. If Iran does not stop their development then the only policy left will be mutually assured destruction.
Nukes isn't like selling guns to tribesmen. It's a big deal to all the neighbors including some of our allies. You remember India and Pakistan nuke rattling a few years ago?
Perhaps he is a fool or a Liar but almost everybody is one or the other and most people are both.Quote:
and sad to say only a fool follows the dufus
What a perfect description of yourself
That's OK. isn't it?Quote:
What a perfect description of yourself
sure, whatever floats your boat
The Iranian nuke program was the camel's nose under the tent . You're side wasn't serious about stopping it much like the allied nations were not serious about stopping the German buildup when they were violating the Versailles Treaty . Non-proliferation is dead . So the question becomes ;are you comfortable with a new Iran hegemon ? The secondary question is ;as an alternative to the Saudis and the Gulf states nuking up ,would you prefer that they all come under the American nuclear umbrella ?Quote:
Nukes isn't like selling guns to tribesmen. It's a big deal to all the neighbors including some of our allies. You remember India and Pakistan nuke rattling a few years ago?
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whatever floats your boat
Does it float your boat?
The Iranian nuke program was the camel's nose under the tent . You're side wasn't serious about stopping it much like the allied nations were not serious about stopping the German buildup when they were violating the Versailles Treaty . Non-proliferation is dead . So the question becomes ;are you comfortable with a new Iran hegemon ? The secondary question is ;as an alternative to the Saudis and the Gulf states nuking up ,would you prefer that they all come under the American nuclear umbrella ?Quote:
Nukes isn't like selling guns to tribesmen. It's a big deal to all the neighbors including some of our allies. You remember India and Pakistan nuke rattling a few years ago?
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Sorry Tom, I didn't see this.
Yeah that's all we need in the world. Two terrorist repressive nuclear armed governments at war with each other. Nice plan. They can barely handle the old pop guns we give them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
what's your plan ? accept the existence of the Iranian hegemon ?
Getting rid of the lying cheating dufus, would be a GREAT start to a GREAT plan.
focus please
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Originally Posted by tomder55
OK. The lying cheating EVIL dufus.
Then what?Quote:
Getting rid of the lying cheating dufus, would be a GREAT start to a GREAT plan. ]
Do you know who it is your talking to? That's all we ever hear from him; President is a dufuf, dufus, dufus. He has nothing better to say.Quote:
focus please
Anybody who voted should accept the fact that Trump (just as if you voted for him) is our President.
Getting rid of Trump is "the Plan', there is no plan beyond that. It is your hate that makes you sound ignant (mine comes Naturally).
Getting rid of the current liars, cheaters and morons is not going to correct anything. Look towe-
red Jesus and forget this mess you have created for yourself.
Nope, we already established that the 'Evil Dufus' (She won that vote. You can be proud) did not get elected.Quote:
EVIL dufus
There is no hate Walt just a perverse pleasure at seeing conservatives don't like to be treated as they have treated others. Case in point the Obama years and the Clinton decades after a withering onslaught of right wing attack! I love it and see the fun you guys had at throwing rocks slinging mud, and generally blaming everything on liberals.
Now it's your turn so stop crying and take it because you will get it back like you gave it. Just like it was your DUTY to oppose liberals it's liberals duty to oppose conservatives. Here we are!
"Except" is the perfect word! It means omit, not include. Trump should definitely be excepted!Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Nice catch - girl of wonder!
Not even close. Why do you suppose there is much more Hatred directed toward Trump? The Dems have declared War! Why, why do you think the Dems declared war? Because they are a bunch of Elite smug school kids that lost power. Playing the Game and then Screaming CHEAT, CHEATERRR!!!It's Childish and Immature. Your not calling Trump Stupid (dufus) your calling the Institution Stupid. Trump is not part of the institution, he doesn't have an axe to grind. Let the man do his Job.Quote:
you will get it back like you gave it.
Why bother comparing Trump with Hillary and or Obama, Trump doesn't even come close to the Cr*p that those two pulled while in office.
Trump came into office with AXES to grind. The swamp, the Iran deal, the Paris accord, NAFTA, China, Obamacare, illegals and what he couldn't change he threw out. The man had an agenda. Trump way or the highway. If he wasn't such a loud mouth buffoon he might have achieved more. His party don't like him but they will vote for him because he has shown how to defeat the demonrat B/SQuote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Yes I am calling the dufus stupid, which, not being a part of the institution as you said, has nothing to do with the institution at all, but the dufus himself. You mean liberals don't have the right to try and make him a one term prez as you tried to do with Obama? I hope we are more successful, if not oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
It is what it is, so enjoy what you can while you can, until repubs grow some stones and reign in his buck wild red meat throwing fear mongering rhetoric. Being nice here because he is still the biggest liar I have ever seen!
No. First you must recognize his Excellency's Position as being Legitimate.Quote:
You mean liberals don't have the right to try and make him a one term prez
That's questionable, and I have a right to question his positions and the legitimacy of them, and I do. All Americans have that right.
So, If he is found out to be Illegitimate, after this term is up, would he be considered eligible to serve two additional terms?
He is our Standing president. You can't nullify (100% impossibility) his Presidency. Your team played the game and lost, suck it up and do what is right. People the world over, when making reference about Americans have always uttered the word Stupid. It should be no surprise, its almost as if the world brought it into existence. America is Devalving, we have been for decades...But do what you feel Is best for you and the Country. It's a s**t show and I have a feeling it will continue long after Trump is out.
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Originally Posted by waltero
The voters chose Hillary Clinton by millions of votes over Trump. It was only because of an outmoded system of counting votes that Trump snuck in. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their sepulchres. What was intended to keep out the Trumps of this world backfired and allowed this one in.
The 'Trumps of this world' have been running this world for a long time. I understand, it was suppose to be Hillary's turn.Quote:
The voters chose Hillary Clinton by millions of votes over Trump. It was only because of an outmoded system of counting votes that Trump snuck in. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their sepulchres. What was intended to keep out the Trumps of this world backfired and allowed this one in.
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