https://www.npr.org/2019/06/12/73218...nk-i-d-take-it


To be clear Evita hired through a 3rd party law firm to get oppo research on Trump from a British agent who gathered the intel from alleged Russian sources close to the Kremlin.

as opposed to a Russian lawyer who was working as a foreign agent to repeal the Magnisky act used false pretenses to get a meeting at Trump Tower with Trump JR and Jared Kushner . When they found out that she arranged the meeting under false premises they ended the meeting .

You see the problem is that he would accept the info for free.
Had he said he would pay for dirt from foreign government sources on his opponent there would be no issues ........right ?

Wrong! The clear difference is it's not illegal to HIRE a foreign entity for goods or services, but it is patently illegal to conspire with a foreign entity to subvert the interests of the US. The dufus was also warned as a candidate of outreach by foreign governnments but he ignored the warning and failed to report the contact, and worse LIED about it.

This isn't a subtle difference, its a huge one, and even saying the FBI is wrong to point out the importance of reporting such contacts is nothing short of willful disobedience of law and total disregard for the very reasons for the law itself and opens the door for MORE such contacts. Is that his signal to Vlad he needs more assistance to get re elected? Some could argue it does, despite his sycophants trying to parse his comments and make them acceptable, because it's NOT.

Saying everybody does it is an even more egregious lie in of itself.

So if you are going to acquire dirt on your opponent from a foreign source, the primary thing is to make sure you pay for it?

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So if you are going to acquire dirt on your opponent from a foreign source, the primary thing is to make sure you pay for it?

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The difference between the Trump and Evita's campaigns’ willingness to take dirt on its opponent is that Evita went through with it and paid for it.

This wasn't conspiracy anyway ;at least not by the Trumpsters . Even Mueller said that .

Trump Jr was APPROACHED by Veselnitskaya , who said she had dirt on Evita .There was nothing that indicated she was working for the Kremlin. She was here by permission of the emperor's regime to lobby against the Magnitsky act (she

got a special temp visa approved by Loretta Lynch to even be in the USA )

AND she had worked for and in cooperation with Fusion GPS ,and was a client of Glenn Simpson .

This was a meeting set up by Glenn Simpson She publicly admitted that she used talking points at the meeting that were developed by Simpson.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-trump-n819526

Simpson later testified that he had no knowledge of the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and others until it was reported a year later. That was a complete lie .He testified that he had dinner with Veselnitskaya the night before the meeting and the night after.

The charge that Trump was working closely with Putin is comical . If that were so then why did Simpson arrange to have a 3rd party ,British music publicist Rob Goldstone help arrange the meeting in Trump Tower ?

Why would the Kremlin needed a British music publicist to make an overture.?.and why would they send a Russian lawyer who didn’t speak English to Trump Tower? That tends to confirm that the meeting was intended as a setup.

You need to bear in mind that ever since the Kavanaugh hearing, the need for evidence has become minimal.

I have no doubt it was a set up, but that's more the reason to report it to the FBI like the director said in May hearings, and every repub is saying now when asked. Even Lindsay Graham. You wonder why I call him a dufus? So did Mueller which was why he didn't charge dufus Jr., even though I thought ignorance of the law is no excuse!

Even Vlad is backtracking from the liar in chief, and you better watch faux news before you keep posting right wing talking points, and catch up to the latest dufus WH scandals with Choi and Conway.

Trump went public today with his law-breaking approval of foreign nations interfering in US elections. His republican toadies disagreed when interviewed by TV reporters but notably blocked Democratic proposal to amend the law to require mandatory reporting to the FBI if and when it occurs. Trump's signal to Russia that 2020 election interference will be welcomed - a sign of growing desperation by a person who took a solemn oath to uphold the law of the land.

Trump, a self-proclaimed genius, twittered today about his meeting with the Prince of Whales (sic) Hard to believe, but true. Sarah Sanders, the non-press-secretary press secretary who hasn't held a press briefing in three months, announced her resignation.

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Even Vlad is backtracking from the liar in chief,

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He should because Trump has road blocked Putie at every step ;as I predicted he would.

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and catch up to the latest dufus WH scandals with Choi and Conway.

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yawn The press asked her her opinion about Dems running in 2020 and she gave her opinion. I'm not clear about all the details of the Hatch act but it would seem very strange to me that a political appointee is not allowed to have an opinion of any kind once in the White House.

It also reeks of hypocrisy by the office of special council .You telling me that none of the Obots ever voiced their opinions ? Valerie Jarrett? Ben Rhodes ? Or maybe it's just that they can have opinions but not express them ? Conway giving her opinion was NOT politicking .

Julian Castro had the same charge against him in 2016 . Did the emperor fire him ? He held a far more important position in the administration(HUD) than Conway does.

It is much better for us to know what these people think and who they support or not . As an example ; Anita Dunn was an advisor to the emperor . Her admiration for Mao Zedong was something the public really needs to know. The way the Hatch act is being applied here is just another tool of the left to control this White House . Should leftist activists be allowed to control who Trump can have as advisors, using the Hatch Act to pick them off one by one, every time one of them says what they actually think ? If Kellyanne goes, they'll go after anyone who's effective.

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Most press secretaries end up resigning after a very short stint. It must be a very tough ,demanding ,taxing job.

A note about Henry Kerner ; Special Counsel for the United States Office of Special Counsel. He was a Staff Director for John McCain . You know how much McCain and Trump hated each other . While he was on the McCain staff he urged IRS' Steve Miller and Louis Lerner to target conservative groups . So you know where he's coming from.

hmmm when Peter Strozk, Lisa Page were texting back and forth about their hatred of Trump ,were they violating the Hatch Act ?

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Is this just wishful thinking or what? I don't see it.

So Kellyanne can voice her opinion on camera, but Strozk and Paige can't express themselves in private to each other? Got ya! What a double standard that is. Who appointed the guy who sent the letter to fire Conway in the first place? YUP your dufus. Of course he won't fire her. This is just more chaos that has become the trademark of modern politics, enhanced by the silly season that never seems to end. At least the dufus walked back his latest crazy utterance but doesn't change what he did to cover up the illegality of what his son did, or failure to disclose it, or change the lies about the NUMEROUS contacts with Russia or the lies to cover those up before he was the president.

Drag 'em all before the public this summer. I got plenty of popcorn.

the question about Strozk and Paige is ,was their conversation a conspiracy to stage a coup against the elected President ? A lot of their conversation was 'Trump sucks ' ;and that was ok . But when they were talking about having 'insurance policies in case Trump was elected, that could be easily be interpreted as colluding to remove the President . They were in a position to take action ;and they did . So that was not a matter of them being able to express themselves .
But according to the standards being applied to Conway ;yes they should've been charged with Hatch Act violations . Their texts not only attacked Trump but also others including Bernie Sanders, Eric Holder, and Paul Ryan. If you are not allowed to express political thoughts in word ,text ,or twitter as a condition of being an executive dept employee then there are thousands of others who should frog march.

Some of you bring up hatred as a factor in ones response. Nobody has shown hatred for the Dems (on this site). The hate is all you.

Aside from all the lies and Corruption, that is the WH. We Don't support Trump Cuz we like him. We are so use to Politicians lying that we actually expect it, Trump came along and refused to play the game, so we rewarded him even though we don't like him. Politicians have gotten so PC that we would rather praise someone who embraces the lack of it. We may not agree with Trump, but at least we know he believes what he is saying...unlike politicians, that only say what you want to hear.

Don't hate the Playa hate the Game.

Keep the madness alive. Who is winning?

Who did S&P collude with? As I remember, the people you mentioned came into compliance for their violations but of course no such thing as compliance in this WH without an act of congress. We know that won't happen with THIS senate.

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Some of you bring up hatred as a factor in ones response. Nobody has shown hatred for the Dems (on this site). The hate is all you.

Aside from all the lies and Corruption, that is the WH. We Don't support Trump Cuz we like him. We are so use to Politicians lying that we actually expect it, Trump came along and refused to play the game, so we rewarded him even though we don't like him. Politicians have gotten so PC that we would rather praise someone who embraces the lack of it. We may not agree with Trump, but at least we know he believes what he is saying...unlike politicians, that only say what you want to hear.

Don't hate the Playa hate the Game.

Keep the madness alive. Who is winning?

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Conservatives are desperate to slow evolution down and return to the good old days so seem to be winning for now, but your dufus may be overplaying it while he robs us blind and heads to war.

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Most press secretaries end up resigning after a very short stint. It must be a very tough ,demanding ,taxing job.

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She was a total incompetent and the only talent she had was lying for her master to confirm his lying. She even lied to the FBI and after admitting that soon went back to the same lie again.

It couldn't have been too tough, demanding or taxing since she didn't show up for three months. Nice job if you can get it.

I partially disagree with you Athos, Sarah Saunders was an excellent mouthpiece for the lying cheating dufus in chief, but had no more credibility than him or anyone else in his criminal cabal he calls an administration. Let's see besides Mattes and Tillerson, everybody else has seemed to leave under a cloud of suspicion and wrong doing and his campaign and transition team are either in jail or on their way. Boggles the mind that any one can reasonably believe the head of this snake has clean hands.

It’s a very high pressure position for anyone, let alone someone with a young family. If it were me I'd hire a real pitbull who takes no flak from the press. Someone like Dan Bongino .Actually Trump does most of his own messaging and Sanders took the abuse from the likes of Jim Acosta .


But I'll be nice . I nominate Candace Owens to replace her .

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47912...pening-remarks

She fits right into this administration.

Yeah, unlike the high character and honest former administration. (sarcasm font turned on)

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no actually he said he would take information from Norway. Maybe he should've said Ukraine

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Both the Democratic National Committee as well as Fusion GPS—the company hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign to research the Trump campaign—were using Ukrainian sources in their efforts to discredit Trump.

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/ties-t...p_2872609.html

If anyone here thinks that the typical politician, repub or dem, would refrain from acquiring opposition dirt from a foreign country, then you need to stop reading "Polly Anna" so much. I think most of them would do it in a second. It's unfortunate that so many of our national elections seem to degenerate into, "Don't vote for my opponent. He's an idiot."

You poor confused conservatives. Can't tell the difference between a company,of lawyers and ex spies for hire by politicos, from a foreign government with an agenda. That's a shame and no wonder you fall under the dufus of Dufus's lies, and deceptions. Messing with the foreign governments is illegal and should be reported, as was the case with the Steele Dossier, and he was interviewed by the FBI.

"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. "The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. "A direct appeal ... to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. ... If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. ... The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side." Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time--and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/te...l#1d3f910a359a

Your not implying the dufus and Vlad have it right, or saying that Kennedy's actions excuse the dufus now are you Tom?

no I was illustrating the difference between the sting /coup operation that Evita and the FBI pulled on Trump and a REAL case of colluding with Russia.

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You poor confused conservatives. Can't tell the difference between a company,of lawyers and ex spies for hire by politicos, from a foreign government with an agenda. That's a shame and no wonder you fall under the dufus of Dufus's lies, and deceptions. Messing with the foreign governments is illegal and should be reported, as was the case with the Steele Dossier, and he was interviewed by the FBI.

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I didn't say anything about any of that. I just made a general statement.

Heard a video today where Obama said, "Anyone (not true) can buy any gun (not true) at any time (not true). Only eight words but three flatly false statements. So you poor liberals. You think your anointed leaders are always telling the truth. And that would be a fourth flatly false statement.

# 4 'if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. '

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I didn't say anything about any of that. I just made a general statement.

Heard a video today where Obama said, "Anyone (not true) can buy any gun (not true) at any time (not true). Only eight words but three flatly false statements. So you poor liberals. You think your anointed leaders are always telling the truth. And that would be a fourth flatly false statement.

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The loonies and homicidal maniacs and psychopaths doesn't seem to have a problem getting a gun and shooting up churches, malls, concerts, movie theaters and schools.

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That was true but your doctors can boot you if they want too.

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The loonies and homicidal maniacs and psychopaths doesn't seem to have a problem getting a gun and shooting up churches, malls, concerts, movie theaters and schools.

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So maybe we should pass a law prohibiting the loonies, homicidal maniacs, and psychopaths from getting guns. Actually, I think they already have. As for the rest of us, leave us alone.

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So maybe we should pass a law prohibiting the loonies, homicidal maniacs, and psychopaths from getting guns. Actually, I think they already have. As for the rest of us, leave us alone.

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Adam Lanza used guns from his mother's gun collection (Glock 9-mm handgun, a Sig Sauer 9-mm handgun and a Bushmaster rifle) at Sandy Hook. And anyone, including any legal gun owner, can flip into homicidal rage or calculated killing -- for example, the recent mass murderer in Virginia Beach.

maybe we should tighten up that law a bit or enhance it to make it more effective by closing the gaps that the homicidal crazies keep slipping through. We can leave normal ordinary folks alone as long as we verify that if you don't mind. Unless you think we have done enough and screw the victims which seems to grow in number. I know you want to protect those innocent kids don't you JL?

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Adam Lanza used guns from his mother's gun collection (Glock 9-mm handgun, a Sig Sauer 9-mm handgun and a Bushmaster rifle) at Sandy Hook. And anyone, including any legal gun owner, can flip into homicidal rage or calculated killing -- for example, the recent mass murderer in Virginia Beach.

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What do you propose we do about that?

We have also seen a spike in people driving cars into crowds of people and killing and maiming many. I have not noticed anyone suggesting we ban cars and vans.

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What do you propose we do about that?

We have also seen a spike in people driving cars into crowds of people and killing and maiming many. I have not noticed anyone suggesting we ban cars and vans.

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The penny will drop one day, disturbed people cannot have guns or cars and cops would do better filling in their time observing rather than collaring low level drug takers

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We can leave normal ordinary folks alone as long as we verify that if you don't mind.

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And how do you propose the feds verify that a person is "normal" and "ordinary"? Will a person have to take a "normal and ordinary" test in order to buy a gun? Do you propose the feds gain access to a person's confidential medical records?

I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable, but I have no idea of how to do it.

why not just be honest and say you want a ban on all gun ownership ? and of course this is completely off topic .

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I don't want to ban anything that is currently legal. I would like for people who love to point out problems to tell us what they are proposing we do.

I shouldve been clear . My comment was not directed at you .We have gun laws that routinely get broken and then they propose more gun laws that end up being directed and punish honest folks who don't break the law.I'm just pointing out their true goal . You notice they rarely bring up the Democrat cities that are shooting galleries .The guns used there are not semi-autos .They are legal guns obtained illegally .

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You notice they rarely bring up the Democrat cities that are shooting galleries .

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Read this today. "Mr. Weisburd said that in his studies of larger cities, about 1 percent of the streets produce 25 percent of the crime and about 5 percent of the streets produce 50 percent of the crime."

We know that about 2 or 3% of the population commit half the murders. Never gets talked about.

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Get rid of all guns.

back to the topic. All of the talk about Trump's comments to George Clintonopolis is manufactured . George asked Trump what SHOULD be done . That is because there is no legal duty for candidates to report to the FBI that they have been approached from a foreign source with dirt from an opponent . George knew this so he conjured up an ethical strawman .