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President Trump is dead, Long Live King Donald!

Now that AG Barr has declared the Constitution null and void, he has presented the American people with a condescending "summary" of the Mueller Report. We prefer to read the real thing.

Collusion and obstructions of justice abound. This is known simply from news reports over the years that have not been denied by the criminal Trump Organization/Administration.

A few examples --- Russia contacts the president's son and offers a meeting in which Hillary will be dissed and the son gleefully accepts the meeting when he should have immediately informed the FBI of election interference by a foreign power. Making matters worse, Trump's crowd lies about the meeting until the son finally confesses. Trump himself is caught lying about it on video.

Campaign Chairman Manafort offers secret GOP internal polling data to a Russian agent presumably to target vulnerable areas in the 2020 election.

The president's son-in-law attempts to create a back-channel communication path to Russia via the Russian Embassy and not detectable by US Intelligence. (Or at least he thought so).

Trump's National Security Advisor met with the Russian Ambassador to discuss eliminating sanctions. This was after previous President Obama warned Trump about Flynn who Obama said was a disaster and which proved to be true.

As a sample of today's distraction du jour, Trump has withdrawn all funding from the Special Olympics in his budget. Can you imagine anything more mean-spirited?

Next is obstruction of justice. Even Barr couldn't bring himself to clearly "exonerate" Trump.

The dufus is on a one man blitz, throwing his weight around and getting out his own narrative well ahead of the facts of the Barr report, which have no facts, just his opinion. He can't afford too much speculation to dampen his base so expect more red meat to the loony crowd. You think he doesn't know that not just Mueller's report, but a few more investigations are aiming right up his wazoo?

He has little choice but to holler and scream while he can. He is good at distraction and changing the subject isn't he?

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He is good at distraction and changing the subject isn't he?

Isn't that what its all about? So what your saying is that Trump, is 'the Master' of the politics of distraction.

WE WIN!!

Once again, nothing to see here, it is old news

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Originally Posted by waltero

Isn't that what its all about? So what your saying is that Trump, is 'the Master' of the politics of distraction.

WE WIN!!

He is also a con man, grifter, and a liar and cheater. Is that the standard for good behavior from the WH?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Once again, nothing to see here, it is old news

LOL, don't be distracted or fooled as there is more to be revealed besides the report by Roy Cohen... I mean Dufus appointee AG William Barr's Summary.

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Once again, nothing to see here, it is old news

So true. The hatred of Trump on this board is really amazing to watch. The party of tolerance has become the party of hatred and insult.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The party of tolerance has become the party of hatred and insult.

Anyone wanna mention Hillary's name? or Obama's? Wonder what the other party's members would say...have said....

To be critical is one thing. To use hateful and offensive language is a different matter. And yes, Trump is a great offender in that regard, but he is no worse than some posters on this board.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So true. The hatred of Trump on this board is really amazing to watch. The party of tolerance has become the party of hatred and insult.

Focused ENTIRELY on the one who hates and insults others, along with his aiders, abettors, and sycophants who accepts his behavior as our president , and how easily you turn the other cheek (Not specifying which check). His words and behavior at his Michigan rally disgusts me.

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Focused ENTIRELY on the one who hates and insults others, along with his aiders, abettors, and sycophants who accepts his behavior as our president , and how easily you turn the other cheek (Not specifying which check). His words and behavior at his Michigan rally disgusts me.

I have no problem with being critical of the pres, and have done so myself, but I would suggest that if you don't like hateful, insulting speech, then set a good example by not using it yourself.

I don't consider the truth as being hateful or insulting.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And yes, Trump is a great offender in that regard, but he is no worse than some posters on this board.

No one on this board has ever come CLOSE to the hate and scorn and ridicule and vituperation and mockery and bullying (I could list more....) that Trump spits out.

Again, a convenient position for a liberal to take.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Again, a convenient position for a liberal to take.

I'm a Republican. I know hate and scorn and ridicule etc. when I hear and see it.

I didn't say you were a democrat. I said you were a liberal. Just going on your support of issues, that sure seems to be the case. As to scorn and ridicule, I'm glad to find out you oppose the scorn and ridicule directed at Trump on this board.

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Focused ENTIRELY on the one who hates and insults others, along with his aiders, abettors, and sycophants who accepts his behavior as our president

All's I hear is somebody hollering foul, foul!!!

What would you suggest Trump supporters do?

He sucked everybody into playing his game, from the start ( Remember nobody wanted to respond to his ridiculousness...but they all fell for it)...lets all talk sh*te. It doesn't mean anything when somebody talks sh*te (I'm a Racist if I didn't vote for Obama, I'm a sexist if I don't vote for Hilary, I'm a homophobe if I don't support Same sex marriage, I'm a Jesus freak if I speak of truth on and on it goes)...Actions speak louder than words.

I believe Trump is trying his best. The economy is doing Great. People are tired of the Dems bullsh*te as well. People seem to prefer Trumps bullsh*te over Dems bullsh*te...AND YOUZ GOTS TO LIVE WITH IT! Dems the Rules.

The Dems don't (they never did) want to play by the rules. They are two faced and Have no Honor. After all this the Dems call foul, how childish.

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No one on this board has ever come CLOSE to the hate and scorn and ridicule and vituperation and mockery and bullying (I could list more....) that Trump spits out.

Keep working on it...The night is still young.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I didn't say you were a democrat. I said you were a liberal. Just going on your support of issues, that sure seems to be the case. As to scorn and ridicule, I'm glad to find out you oppose the scorn and ridicule directed at Trump on this board.

I am conservative at times. I try to maintain a good balance so I obey the two greatest commandments. Trump's behavior and words make me very sad -- me as an educator, as a librarian, and as a psychotherapist.

His mean and bullying nicknames for just a few people who have dared disagree with him:
Kim Jong-un "Rocket Man"
Steve Bannon "Sloppy Steve"
Hillary Clinton "Croked Hillary"
Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas"
Chuck Schumer "Cryin' Chuck"
Jeb Bush "Low Energy Jeb"
Bernie Sanders "Crazy Bernie"
Ted Cruz "Lyin' Ted"
Al Franken "Al Frankenstein"
Marco Rubio "Little Marco"
Adam Schiff "Pencil Neck"

What nickname would he give YOU?

Rather similar to someone calling him "Dufus"? Why is it you have a problem with Trump calling others names, but no problem with others calling him names?

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No one on this board has ever come CLOSE to the hate and scorn and ridicule and vituperation and mockery and bullying (I could list more....) that Trump spits out.

You are 100% correct. No one on this board comes close to the incredible nastiness that Trump exhibits on a daily basis. By now, the entire planet is aware that Trump is a psychological mess, and a madman like Trump is to be feared because he has his his fingers on WMD. He is unique in American history.

His sycophants on this board are quick to condemn his bizarre behavior while praising what he has done "for the economy". The truth is that he has done nothing for the economy. In fact, his economic policies have been destructive - tariffs that he doesn't understand and are ruinous to American business, flamboyant promises about bringing back manufacturing and mining that are complete fabrications, much ballyhooed income tax policies that have not remotely produced the revenue he swore they would do (and which he said he and his rich friends would be hurt by because the benefits went to the middle class - HOGWASH!), and more and more.

The good economic situation the nation is experiencing is a result of Obama's corrective policies which brought us (and the world) out of the Republican-fostered Great Recession. Even economists from both sides of the aisle agree.

Trump is a master at self-promotion. Other than his silly television show where he gained such notoriety, he is an abysmal failure. Had he placed his inheritance in the stock market, he would have gained much more wealth than his disastrous forays into airlines, vodka, steaks, casinos (who but Trump ever lost money in a casino? - 4 bankruptcies), Trump University - an out and out fraud which cost him $25 million in penalties after swearing he would forever fight the lawsuit), and a dozen or so more failures.

Worse than Trump are the Republicans who rarely utter a peep about what he's doing to the country and the planet. That includes his supporters here.

America will get over Trump as he becomes a bad memory. But the rest of the world will forever remember that this great nation once elected a proto-fascist to lead it.

He's the president and his bad words, bad actions, and bad behavior deserve calling out, and he deserves close scrutiny by his opposition. You supporters may as well get use to the opposing views, but if you want civility and fair debate, then learn to read links. Otherwise don't throw rocks and not expect them to come back.

You shouldn't take such criticism of yo' boy personally, it's not you, it's ALL him!

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His sycophants on this board are quick to condemn his bizarre behavior while praising what he has done "for the economy". The truth is that he has done nothing for the economy. In fact, his economic policies have been destructive - tariffs that he doesn't understand and are ruinous to American business, flamboyant promises about bringing back manufacturing and mining that are complete fabrications, much ballyhooed income tax policies that have not remotely produced the revenue he swore they would do (and which he said he and his rich friends would be hurt by because the benefits went to the middle class - HOGWASH!), and more and more.

So many false statements. The economy has added more than a half million manufacturing jobs and is adding those jobs at a rate better than in the past twenty years, but he has done nothing for the economy? Wow. What a statement. The entire paragraph above is just an example of name-calling (sycophants) and Trump hatred so extreme that you cannot see the plain truth. Obama had eight years and never produced a healthy economy. It was the slowest recovery from a recession in history.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...ong-2018-08-03

If you don't like Trump, then I can understand that. He has a loud, undisciplined mouth. He is arrogant. We are still engaged in deficit spending, much like Obama did. I get all of that. But his policies have led to an economic revival such as we have not seen in a long time. He has appointed conservative judges who actually believe in the rule of law and not just making it up as they go along. He takes our southern border and North Korea seriously and continues to support religious liberty and traditional marriage. All of this makes him, in my mind, far superior to the consummate politician we had before, and certainly better than the most corrupt politician of my lifetime, HC.

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but if you want civility

I guess you don't see the humor in that quote. If You want to continually call him "Dufus" and his supporters (which does not include me) "sycophants", then that's fine until you want to start accusing Trump of using name-calling and offensive language which is, of course, the very thing you are doing. If it's wrong for him, then it's wrong for you as well. But I will admit you do pretty well, all in all, and if you want to accuse me of nit-picking, then you might be about half right.

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Now that AG Barr has declared the Constitution null and void, he has presented the American people with a condescending "summary" of the Mueller Report. We prefer to read the real thing.

agreed ;the rest of the op is not worth responding to except that a full copy with redactions agreed to by Mueller will be released to Congress by 4/15 . Mueller has NOT disputed Barr's contention that he found no evidence of collusion . As for obstruction ; Barr AND Dep AG Rosenstein BOTH read Mueller's report and determined that there were no grounds for the charge of obstruction . Recall ;Rosenstein BOTH advised Trump to fire Comey AND appointed Mueller .

There will be redactions based on the well known standards of protection of source and methods ; information that would compromise ongoing investigations that Mueller punted to district courts and Grand Jury proceedings . I don't like it but that is the standards and in no way does it suggest cover up .

I see a protracted legal battle between congress and DOJ to get the full unredacted report, and there is precedence set by the Watergate prosecutors. I think the House has a legal standing and obligation to view and evaluate any evidence concerning oversight of the executive branch even if the DOJ is constrained to do so. Barr may just be buying time for the dufus to poison the well and would be wise to avoid a cover up, or obstruction himself.

You had to see this coming even before Barr was appointed. Even if the dufus gets re-elected, like Nixon did, he will still have some explaining to do. It will be a fascinating chess game this summer.

It's over. There was no collusion. Time for the suffering democrats to get over their supreme disappointment.

I say there was no collusion. I refer, of course, to collusion with Russia. Now if you want to talk about collusion between the Clinton campaign and the DNC, not to mention CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and much of the rest of the news media, to get her nominated and then elected, then you are on the right track. And that is what should worry us far more that any minor interference the Russians might have engaged in.

This has to have been the biggest non event in history, but then it is beside those other non events of the Trump presidency

I think the process is just getting started and you both should try and keep up. You both seem to be rather stuck.

Two years and the process is just getting started, spare my days or is that daze

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Two years and the process is just getting started, spare my days or is that daze

My thought exactly .

LOL, the Clintons have had so many investigations over the years, I lost count and they are still calling for MORE. You complain about two years investigating the dufus as too long.

That's the definition of HYPOCRISY.

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LOL, the Clintons have had so many investigations over the years, I lost count and they are still calling for MORE. You complain about two years investigating the dufus as too long.

That's the definition of HYPOCRISY.

Do you think it might be because there is some substance to why they should be investigated

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Do you think it might be because there is some substance to why they should be investigated?

As much as I would love to see the Clinton Foundation investigated, I guess we should just be deliriously happy she is not pres and move on. Too many problems to solve to spend much time arguing about that, especially now that it's become clear that there was no Russian collusion. Let's move on and try and solve some problems.

You've obviously read the Mueller report so care to share?

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You've obviously read the Mueller report so care to share?

Still clinging to your last desperate hope, I see. Good luck with that.

You don't mind if we wait for the details rather than the limited Barr Summation do you? That's hardly desperation just prudent due diligence. Trust but VERIFY kind of thing.

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That's hardly desperation just prudent due diligence.

You didn't feel that way when it was Kavanaugh's rear end on the line. No evidence whatsoever other than the ramblings of pretty forgetful woman. Where was the due diligence then?

Sure I did, but the senate sham incompetent investigation didn't pass the smell test unlike the efficient comprehensive Mueller Investigation.

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Sure I did, but the senate sham incompetent investigation didn't pass the smell test unlike the efficient comprehensive Mueller Investigation.

An efficient investigation which disproved the prime terms of reference and still you won't let go

I doubt you have read Mueller's report either Clete and that's what we have been waiting for. Until that happens we have no facts despite the dufus victory lap.

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I doubt you have read Mueller's report either Clete and that's what we have been waiting for. Until that happens we have no facts despite the dufus victory lap.

It seems you disbelieve everything the administration says, even the AG. You think the devil is in the detail or in the White House, but he has resided in the White House for a long time

You will get Mueller's report, or at least a redacted version which is what is required by law. And no doubt the dems will find sentences and phrases which seem to show that martians really landed in New Mexico or whatever. There is such a hatred of Trump that dems latch on to any desperate hope they can find. They have let the likes of Maxine Waters drive this ridiculous impeachment conversation to the place where they have forgotten the American people. In the meantime, we continue to run up debt like drunken sailors, but no one pays attention to that because of the smelly politics in the whole thing. It makes me glad to be a citizen of heaven and to be serving the one true King.