Our strict gun laws are not for sale. The two One Nation clowns involved have no idea that Australian law forbids political donations from foreign powers.
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Our strict gun laws are not for sale. The two One Nation clowns involved have no idea that Australian law forbids political donations from foreign powers.
According to Reuters, they met with NRA reps in September while the law was passed in November. Even at that, there is no evidence that money was given. So, much ado about nothing.Quote:
The two One Nation clowns involved have no idea that Australian law forbids political donations from foreign powers.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1R7083
No this is not much ado about nothing, this is about political entrapment by agents of the Qatari government acting through AL Zazzera, and arab propaganda machine. Can you believe they worked on this sting for three years, and not to entrap Aussie politicians, they wanted to entrap the NRA, so let us consider where this might lead to in the US, sound like demonrat dirty tricks to me
Good point.Quote:
No this is not much ado about nothing, this is about political entrapment by agents of the Qatari government acting through AL Zazzera, and arab propaganda machine. Can you believe they worked on this sting for three years, and not to entrap Aussie politicians, they wanted to entrap the NRA, so let us consider where this might lead to in the US, sound like demonrat dirty tricks to me
The next installment has the useful idiots incriminating themselves and the NRA demonstrating how they deceive the american peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Dynamite, I think someone blew-up One Nation, they should have waited before they responded, personally, if there is a place below last on the ballot paper, they have it. No place in politics for people this naïve
The NRA doesnt deceive us . We are happy that they help protect our interests and our rights as free people to protect ourselves . They also have many safe and responsible gun ownership programs .
Yeah our laws forbid foreign donations . And yet we have endured George Soros funding of all types of progressive causes ;including PACs.
This is, as I have said, a plot, the dimensions of which are not entirely clear. It involved useful idiots on two continentsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The NRA buys politicians like every special interest group. They will go anywhere they can make a buck with gun friendly lawmakers. You are lucky to have found out about this stuff Clete.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Tal, we have a lot of political interference here, mainly Chinese and Indian, they love our minerals, but are somewhat unsuccessful at getting their project up, but home grown US interference, not often seen. Usually kept under wraps.We don't need more guns, have plenty but without the rapid fire variety we don't have massacres, just shootings
yup they all do . groups like :Quote:
The NRA buys politicians like every special interest group.
National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL)
National Education Association
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees
EMILY's List
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights
NAACP
National Organization for Women
Handgun Control
United Auto Workers
Sierra Club
People for the America Way
Alliance for Justice
AFL-CIO
Human Rights Campaign
Americans for Democratic Action
La Raza
Community Rights Council
Defenders of Wildlife
Earthjustice
Endangered Species Coalition
Feminist Majority
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights
National Abortion Federation
National Environmental Trust
National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association
National Resources Defense Counc
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Good heavens Tom you left out the Justice League
What about all those corporations many of which don't pay taxes or a living wage?
all of the above are leftist groups and yes the Justice League included. The Avengers however are true conservative patriots.
Go tell the Hulk you appreciate his conservative bona fides. I dare you. Hulk smash wall!
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What about all those corporations many of which don't pay taxes or a living wage?
like Jeff Bezo's Amazon ? or Howard Shultz' Starbucks ? or Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway ? or Peter Lewis' Progressive Insurance (Lewishas poured tens of millions of dollars into the ACLU, America Coming Together, and MoveOn, among other liberal causes)
or Costco which donated 99% of their political donations to Democrats . So did Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia ;or Bill Gate's Microsoft ;over 80% of their donations went to Dems. Tim Cook's Apple 87% Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook 93%
It really is comical listening to Democrats complain about money in politics .
Yes fighting to preserve the American way of world domination, you truly don't understand sarcasm, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Repubs seem to do okay with their donors. I notice you only named the dems but we both know repubs have just as many who give just as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Like the Aussies do not benefit GREATLY from that so called domination. No sarcasm font neededQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't know that is true. I used to think it might be true, but then I actually met some americansQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If they make a profit, they pay taxes. When they pay dividends, the share-holders pay taxes. If they don't make a profit, they eventually go bust.Quote:
What about all those corporations many of which don't pay taxes or a living wage?
the difference being that I am not bothered by "money in politics" . It is covered under the first amendment's petition clauseQuote:
. I notice you only named the dems but we both know repubs have just as many who give just as much.
"and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Lobbying is the ultimate form of petitioning .Theright to “petition the government for redress of grievances” applies to all of us, rich or poor, business owners or labor unions. {Mine Workers v. Illinois Bar Assn., 389 U.S. 217 (1967)}
Millions and millions of dollars, perks and favors have polluted the process. They have again legalized corruption. That's the problem with those old books and laws. They need updating because over time greedy b@stards always figure out how to get around the good intentions of the ancients.
So you agree with me .The problem with the process is the politicians ;not the people trying to influence the government . It could all be quickly reformed by term limits .
Unfortunately ,the traditional way to amend the constitution for changes like instituting term limits is Congress proposing the amendment . And you know they would never vote to end their jobs.
However ,in their wisdom ,the "ancients" :the framers ,gave us another way to amend the Constitution ,a convention of the states .To get it moving 34 states have to petition for a convention to propose amendments. To date ,27 states have signed on . We are getting close. Any new amendments proposed would still need the approval of 3/4 of the states .
Given the way the electoral college turned out in the Trump election 75% seems a tall orderQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
but there are some issues we agree on. term limits for Congress is one of them . I think SCOTUS needs term limits also .
We do agree, but term limits is not a silver bullet, there will be those that get what they can, while they can, and we still have to have some safeguards against that human dynamic. I think the founders recognized the cultural differences of so many immigrants and made this a slow thoughtful process for a reason, because attitudes do change as more data is revealed. The more that can share that data, the more consensus (Or conflict... you know people) can be reached... over time.
No matter how much consensus we reach the question will always be will the opposition accept it, or subvert it OR EXPLOIT it. I think that's where we are now in the process.
I think your founders just wanted to screw the opposition, they really didn't want the federal government to have any power, so much emphasis on states rights and yet a state didn't have the right to succeed, so no freedom in that. So much for; we, the people. When we took a look at your constitution and used it as a model, we corrected that, so the federal government had real power, and the states basically could offer a review function and do all the real workQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...cid=spartandhp
The fallout from this Al Jazzera gig continues. Leader of One Nation, Pauline Hanson is distraught as another candidate is forced out in the middle of an election campaign. With just two weeks to the poles it is doubtful the party will recover its position
You Aussies are quite scandalous when you want to be aren't you?
Well, only a certain sector thinks it is scandalous, the rest of us think it pathetic. What a bunch of wankers. Where do we get politicians who cannot keep it together, and it isn't just hereQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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