AND YET there have been no charges against anyone in the Trump campaign ,or Trump himself that suggest there was any involvement by the Trump campaign in Russian' interference in the election'.
Do the Justice Department and the FBI still stand behind their representation in their FISA applications, and their publicly announced suspicion to Congressional investigators in March 2017 ,that the Trump campaign coordinated in Russia’s cyber operations ?
If they do not continue to stand behind their representations to the court ,the public ,and in Congressional testimony , have they corrected the record with the FISC or the House Intelligence Committee (there has not been any public retraction)?
If they do stand behind their representation, how do they square that position with the indictments filed by Mueller, which have charged no Trump-Russia conspiracy, and which indicate there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy?
We have known since Feb. last year ,after the troll farm indictments that there was no Trump campaign involvement . The latest Stone indictment confirms that. If the Trump team was involved then they would not have gone to such lengths to try to find out from 3rd party sources what Wilki was planning to release .

Look ,all these suspicions were needed to be corroborated BEFORE a FISA application was filed . That is why a FISA application is called a verified application. Unlike other proceedings , the only due process anyone gets ,because the application is classified and there are no lawyers to challenge it ,is that the information brought before the court is impeccable . What the Obama FBI did was turn a FISA warrant into a general fishing expedition warrant .
Devin Nunez ,ranking Republican on the House Intel Committee asked this question week How is it that we are investigating Roger Stone and not Bruce Ohr's testimony that he met with Andrew Weissmann (former Dept Justice attorney and currently Mueller's pit bull) to inform him early in the game that the Steele dossier was the product of a DNC dirty trick ? The fact is that the dossier was the product of the Evita campaign ,and that high ranking members of the Justice Dept knew that ;and did NOT disclose that to the FISA court during the applications.
There should be no special council investigation unless there is a conflict of interest . So why then was Mueller allowed to appoint an assistant who was clearly conflicted ? Although the American people deserve this information ;I'm sure it will be covered up in the final Mueller report .

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AND YET there have been no charges against anyone in the Trump campaign ,or Trump himself that suggest there was any involvement by the Trump campaign in Russian' interference in the election'.
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You've got to stop reading those Russian hackers putting out this stuff on phony websites, tomder.

show me the charge .Mueller hasn't even charged the obvious ones who had business dealings with Russians or Russian interests with crimes related to interference in the election. He got them for charges that everyone knew about years before the campaign was conceived .He made charges against Russian pajama boys that will never go to court . But nobody in the Trump campaign has been charged with anything campaign related at all.

So we know it is a witch hunt, and we know where the witch is. This is theatre

It sure does look like there's no "there" there

I don't know folks, it's hard to believe that after all the indictments and convictions of dufus campaign members and Russians that dufus had no knowledge, or involvement. Who says the Mueller investigation is winding down? Or did you mean it's getting closer to his inner circle? Why does all his peeps lie about contacts with Russia? Why have they kept it from law enforcement AND the intel community?

Obviously after two years we know not to trust anything that the dufus or his sycophants say without GREAT meticulous scrutiny, or verification. Don't we?

Unlike the famous truth tellers, Clinton and Obama?

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The dufus is in a class all by himself with his lying.

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I'll say it again, and you cannot refute it. When Trump lies repeatedly about the cause of a terrorist attack that results in the deaths of 4 Americans, and does so in what certainly, to any reasonable person, appeared to be an attempt to gain his own reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

CBS News has the story of the century if it wants it . A secret deep state cabal of corrupt FBI agents plotted a coup to overthrow the President and tamper with the results of the 2016 election. Instead tonight on 60 Minutes they are doing the McCabe interview as 'what's wrong with Trump'?

When Trump lies repeatedly about drugs and rapists and gangs and sex traffickers crossing the southern border unimpeded, and says that as an attempt to gain his own election AND reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

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When Trump lies repeatedly about drugs and rapists and gangs and sex traffickers crossing the southern border unimpeded, and says that as an attempt to gain his own election AND reelection, then you come talk to me about who is in a class by himself.

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So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?

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So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?

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Certainly not in the numbers the dufus sites, not even close, not historically nor justifies his emergency for a wall that stops no one but women and children which is the majority of migrants.

How many did you count?

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Zero, since I am not counting. How many did you count? For that matter, how would anyone be able to get an accurate count?

At any rate, the post alleged these things were not happening. Plainly they are.

I was using JL's words as I flipped the coin to a different pov.
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"Plainly they are" -- at the Port of Philadelphia, at O'Hare Airport, across the northern border from Canada.

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So you are saying that drugs, rapists, gang members, and sex traffickers are not crossing the southern border largely unimpeded?

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Certainly not in the numbers the dufus sites, not even close,

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This report was in todays news .

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In October 2018, President Trump signed a breakthrough bipartisan bill aimed at dealing with the country’s drug-addiction epidemic, which most people associate with opioids. And for good reason: In 2017, there were 70,237 opioid overdose deaths in the United States — a 9.6 percent uptick from the previous year, according to the CDC.But meth is claiming lives at a rapidly increasing rate as well.In 2017, 10,000 Americans died from an overdose involving psychostimulants (meth as well as ecstasy and some prescribed stimulants) — a 33.3 percent jump from 2016, the CDC reported.And, in Ohio, overdose deaths involving meth have seen one of the steepest rises in the country, jumping 5,000 percent from 2010 (nine deaths) to 2017 (509 deaths), according to a report by the Ohio Alliance for Innovation in Population Health.The rush of meth into the state from the border is overwhelming: “It is raining drugs,” said Taylor Cleveland, an Ashtabula County sheriff’s officer assigned to the task force for the US Drug Enforcement Administration...…..“It’s cheap. And abundant. That is why we are seeing a dramatic escalation of crystal methamphetamine use because it is being shipped to our county at the border. People aren’t making it anymore, because it comes here so cheap from Mexico.”Cleveland says meth labs started popping up in Ashtabula in 2002, but due to a crackdown “in the last 18 months, we’ve seen almost a wholesale elimination” of them. “That void . . . is being filled by Mexican cartels bringing meth across the borders,” he adds.

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Hmmm. So drugs ARE coming across the border. Lots of them.

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And this is something you are unaware of, but it is those blasted mule migrants (illegals) who are carrying them and what will stop them a Wall but we can't call it a WALL, it must be constructed of bollards in no man's land which is a vacant space in Pelosi's head

I think someone needs to get a lot more sleep.

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Yes that would be nice, any suggestions as to how to accomplish that

William Barr as Attorney General,has no more urgent task than restoring some public trust.He could start by explaining to the public,in a major speech,where the FBI went so badly wrong and what he will do to make sure it never happens again.

If that McCabe 60 Minutes interview didn’t scare the hell out of you, with regard to the dangerous power of big govt, then you weren’t listening. That one interview should’ve created millions of new libertarians & constitutional conservatives if people were paying attention.

Yeah, let Barr explain why all the dufus hired hands lied, commit crimes and go to jail, Us progressives would love to know before we go jumping ship or believe this lying cheating dufus isn't so far up Vlad's behind he burps orange.

I'll wait for the Mueller Report thank you.

You might be waiting a long time

I got time if the grand finale to this dufus drama is worth it. The dots have been connected a long time and if you think Roger Stone is the last dot, I have a dufus you can have real cheap. Maybe Kim or Vlad will give him asylum.

I think you need to prepare to be disappointed.

There is reliable speculation that the Mueller report will not be released to the public.

What is alarming is that the leadership of the Justice Dept seriously considered asking the Secs of

Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, Transportation, to determine if the President is capable of performing his elected responsibilities.( sec 4 of the 25th Amendment ) .This thought was delusional for a number of reasons. Only Congress can remove the President ,even under terms of the 25th . And in that case ,it is harder to remove a President than impeachment . It requires 2/3 of BOTH houses to remove a President if the President disputes that he is unable to perform his duties.

What counts as presidential “inability.”That is the unanswered question in the 25th . If this was seriously tried ,and went through the process,it would be a SCOTUS call.

That is what I have heard as well. There will be a summary statement prepared, as I understand it, by Mueller, and that is what will be released. There are too many confidential areas for the entire report to be released. Of course at the rate he is proceeding, we might all be dead and gone by the time he gets finished.

yup and even in the very extreme unlikely event that the report is damning to the President ;there is nothing that can remove Trump from office except impeachment or the 2020 election results.

The silence was deafening when Pence mentioned the dufus and called for the Euro's to leave the Iran agreement, even from the repub delegation, and we have yet to see what gets the cut for his border wall emergency.

The emergency declaration is silly and counter-productive. He should build the 50 miles approved and then come back for more later . In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan when asked why he accepted less than he had requested :

Here is what Reagan said when asked why he accepted a compromise. :

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I have always figured that a half a loaf is better than none, and I know that in the democratic process you’re not going to always get everything you want. So, I think what they’ve misread is times in which I have compromised — for example, our entire economic program.I proposed three 10-percent-a-year cuts in the income tax, retroactive to January 1st, 1981. There was no way I could get that with the House of Representatives dominated by the other party. So, I settled for a 5-percent cut the first year, not retroactive but on October 30 — or on October 1st, the beginning of the fiscal year; then two following 10-percent cuts. Well, I think 25 percent, a little delayed in starting, was better than going down fighting and not getting anything at all.
And I wish that I could get more people to realize, no, I have not retreated from what was our original purpose. I am very stubborn in that regard. And I’m just going to have to try and communicate better, and make people realize that, you know, I come back and I ask for more the next time around."

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I think you about nailed it, Tomder. Of course, with the national debt continuing to skyrocket and no one, either dem or repub, paying any attention to it, we are not going to a good place anyway.

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I think you about nailed it, Tomder. Of course, with the national debt continuing to skyrocket and no one, either dem or repub, paying any attention to it, we are not going to a good place anyway.

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You know I cannot understand how your government cannot see your debt levels as a national emergency, ours had apoplexy at levels much lower than yours and although we haven't reduced it, we have dragged the budget back to equilibrium and hopefully surplus
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Clete the fault lies in the people. The pols stopped making the debt a big deal because the people stopped making it a big deal. You can't fault either party. The GOP used to have a full faction of fiscal conservatives . Now there is a handful. It is one of the reasons I am not a Republican. The name of the game now is who can offer the most freebies ?

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Clete the fault lies in the people. The pols stopped making the debt a big deal because the people stopped making it a big deal. You can't fault either party. The GOP used to have a full faction of fiscal conservatives . Now there is a handful. It is one of the reasons I am not a Republican. The name of the game now is who can offer the most freebies ?

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So true, Tom. The only comment I would add is that there is a vacuum of leadership on this issue. Bush 2 completely blew it on this. He inherited a balanced budget, and then proceeded to use the war as an excuse to spend, spend, spend. Dems give out freebies and repubs cut taxes, so here we are.

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o true, Tom. The only comment I would add is that there is a vacuum of leadership on this issue. Bush 2 completely blew it on this. He inherited a balanced budget, and then proceeded to use the war as an excuse to spend, spend, spend. Dems give out freebies and repubs cut taxes, so here we are.

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Must be wonderful to live in a fool's paradise, living on OPM or even worse quantative easing

Yeah. Thank goodness the Aussies don't have any national debt. No, wait. Is that right??

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As I have said before, we have debt but it certainly doesn't exceed our GDP and we will turn a surplus this year. Our debt is due to the way you idiots managed debt causing an international meltdown ten yearss ago. Please tell me how Trump intends to have the US budget return to surplus, and those idiot demonrats certainly don't

Yeah. It's always someone else's fault. Your budget deficits far predate ten years ago.

Debt is not necessarily a bad thing.I have financed property with debt for most of my adult life .I anticipate getting a decent return on that investment . The ability to pay the interest is what has to be watched because a greater percentage of the tax collection is needed to service the debt. The US is in a bad situation because our debt is in a large part owned by foreign powers (some of them hostile ) .If they wanted to cause problems they could dump our debt which would probably mean that we would have to give a higher rate of return to attract new investors . If push came to shove ,the government could easily sell off assets for debt reduction.(aka the government owns about a third of the total land of the US .) Debt approaching GDP and surpassing the GDP is where we are at ;and that is dangerous . It is also not fair to the next generation to be living on their future obligations .

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Yeah. It's always someone else's fault. Your budget deficits far predate ten years ago.

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Our budget was in a great place ten years ago before you engineered a financial crisis. Capitalism gone mad coupled with social engineering in a nation with a big history of exploiting people. The top third of your nation does well on the backs of the others and you think this is good and desirable.

Sadly that financial crisis coincided with the idiot left assuming power here about the same time it did in your own nation and this exaserbated the problem as it did in your own