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Tonight the NYTimes reports that the FBI opened an inquiry shortly after Comey was fired into whether Trump was working secretly with Russia. This is a FIRST for the American presidency! Counter-intellligence investigating a sitting president.
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Responding to the Times article, Tucker Carlson of right-wing FOX Cable suggests the FBI is a rogue, criminal organization.
So the FBI secretly investigates a sitting pres who fired their beloved (I suppose) director. They find nothing, and then manage to leak the news a year and a half later. This is the same FBI who investigated HC, found evidence of criminal behavior, but then circumvented the AG and decided not to prosecute.
Yeah, that FBI is a sterling bunch.
Haven't we been down this road, Mueller has worked for two years, if there was any evidence you would think it might be obvious by now
We have plenty of evidence with convictions of lying about the campaigns contacts with Russian intelligence and Manafort's direct connections to Russian oligarchs working under Putin, and MORE to come for sure, so why you ignore what's there already is a mystery to me even if you are aa stone to the bone dufus sycophant. Add some campaign payoff hijinks and the big bucks for his inauguration nobody can account for, you have to be smelling the stink of corruption even if you squeeze your nose so tight your eyes buck out.
Don't worry, it won't be long now.
Look, Trump is a businessman who wanted to establish his empire in Russia too, it doesn't prove collusion, it doesn't prove treason, what it proves is he had plans. There is so much corruption over there I don't know how you could tell one stench from another. Look, Tal, I really don't care who sits on the american throne as long as he doesn't ignite a war, we have had enough of wars, they have achieved nothing
There are wars everywhere, that's why masses of people are running all over the place. There will always be a war someplace, with masses of people running all over the place. Nothing new for humans. Of course the Dufus is a business man, if you want to call a con job business. Vlad is out of his league though, and it shows.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Trump either worked for the Kremlin, or he was an unwilling agent manipulated by the Russians. The evidence is there.
See "Proof of Collusion" by Seth Abramson.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/174383...ssia-collusion
Vox is rated as left-leaning but "highly factual". There's much in the link but it's nicely broken down into sections. Worth a read.
This is a good summary of the article: "I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion."
If that article is all Mueller has, then it's time to shut down the investigation.
Another quote about the "evidence": "That Trumpworld was clearly open to both political collusion and financial dealmaking with the Russian government doesn’t demonstrate that either actually occurred. But it’s unquestionably evidence in favor of the possibility."
Really powerful stuff. "...evidence in favor of the possibility." That one made me laugh. Try that one is a court of law. "Your honor, we have evidence that favors the possibility that the accused is guilty!"
Here is how the federal government works. The government is partially shut down, and thousands of workers are not getting paid. The democrats are so concerned about this that they decide they need to meet and conference about it. Now where do you suppose they went? To someone's house, or to a hotel in Virginia, or an office building in the capital? No, they found it necessary to spend taxpayer borrowed money to go to Puerto Rico and meet in a no doubt expensive hotel, and eat no doubt expensive meals, so they could talk about the budget crisis. The amazing thing is, they do not see the irony in this. Why do these people continue to get elected??
Do you need a list of the Mueller indictments that have gone or will go before a court of law... so far? The media doesn't know what Mueller has and neither do you since he has said or leaked nothing, just continually brought criminals to justice. That's evidence he is a careful professional, doing a professional investigation and getting legal results. Go ahead, keep dismissing those outcomes all you want, but I bet those dufus flunkies and Vlad conspirators have not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Even the dufus has enough sense to find as many lawyers as he can to defend him against the Mueller witch hunt!
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01...-on-trump.html
We're going to get that lying cheating dufus!
The dems have passed their bills already and now it's up to repubs in the senate to pass theirs. That's how the government works. The only one just talking is YOUR dufus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Takes 60 votes in the senate. That's how the government works, so it does require some democrat cooperation. Even if that was not the case, it does not justify the high and mighty going on a taxpayer funded spending spree to Puerto Rico simply because they want to. That's pathetic.Quote:
The dems have passed their bills already and now it's up to repubs in the senate to pass theirs. That's how the government works. The only one just talking is YOUR dufus.
That's was a reply to the article linked by Athos. Did you bother to read it??Quote:
Do you need a list of the Mueller indictments that have gone or will go before a court of law... so far? The media doesn't know what Mueller has and neither do you since he has said or leaked nothing, just continually brought criminals to justice.
WHO in the FBI authorized a counter intelligence investigation of Trump ?McCabe?
Strzok?Baker?Page? The whole group demonstrated political bias against Trump and have left the FBI in disgrace .
and who supervised at DOJ? Rosenstein?
They are all anti-Trump, so I'm sure it will be OK with many people. Now if that had been done with Mr. Obama, then it would have caused an uproar and heads would have rolled.
So why doesn't Mitch put them to a vote? He knows he has the votes from the dems and probably enough to OVERRIDE a dufus veto. Shutdown over, and that's how the government should work. The real question would then be does NANCY have the votes in the house. That requires republican support. Roughly 65 repubs must join the dems.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes I read the article and a number of accounts besides and my point is if everybody indicted and convicted worked for the same guy then I would sure look at the guy closely wouldn't you? That's not evidence, but is some compelling PROBABLE CAUSE don't you agree?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...o-rico-n956426Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So we both agree there is no evidence.Quote:
That's not evidence, but is some compelling PROBABLE CAUSE don't you agree?
There is only one bill sent to the senate and it involves spending on the wall. If you are saying that there are dems in the senate who will vote for it, I'd love to know who they are.Quote:
So why doesn't Mitch put them to a vote? He knows he has the votes from the dems and probably enough to OVERRIDE a dufus veto.
Joe Manchin is the only one I can think of .
There is an abundance of probable cause that warrants an investigation and we will have to wait for Mueller's report, or any number of the OTHER investigations to conclude. You really believe no repub will vote to open up the government, after they voted to keep it open in December with no wall money? Be interesting to see how this plays out as it goes on with people losing money on a freaking wall that won't get built anytime during this reign of stupidity and corruption.
Which reigh of stupidity and corruption was that?
BS . There was no probable cause . They ran a secret counter intelligence operation before the election and used the pretext of the Comey firing to formalize it .It was always a political banana republic attack on a political foe .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Trump gave every indication of colluding with Russia. Of course, they investigated him - that's their job. Mueller knows thing nobody else does.
We are back to smoke and mirrors again, I thorght I saw a puddy cat
Even if (and that's a huge "if") Trump's campaign colluded with the Russkies, that would not be a crime. There are no laws against collusion. When your beloved President Obama told the Russian ambassador he would have more flexibility after the election, was that collusion? It certainly was, but collusion is not a crime.
Why wouldn't the dufus be held to the same standard you have subjected the Clintons too? Even you have documented his reputation over the years in New York, and now you look away? At best the dufus is a useful idiot for Vlad and the Saudis, at worst he is an unscrupulous businessman who will deal with anyone and puts his interest above the countries interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That does not preclude the fool is being set up and blackmailed by Vlad either, but his words and actions have certainly been suspicious from the beginning. That's enough probable cause for me, and obviously for a majority of Americans.
Yes. That would certainly work in court. "Your honor, the accused has been acting in a suspicious manner, and that's enough probable cause for us." That case would be thrown out of court so fast it would make your head spin, just like your suspicions should be taken with a LARGE grain of salt.Quote:
That does not preclude the fool is being set up and blackmailed by Vlad either, but his words and actions have certainly been suspicious from the beginning. That's enough probable cause for me,
The dufus has not been indicted at least not yet, just scrutinized, investigated, and blasted in the press, all assumptions and speculation to be fair, but if you find a bunch of rotten apples in the same barrel you don't just eat one without looking closer at it. I must add that believing anything a lying, cheating bully says is what you need your grain(S) of salt for.
You righty's would do well to stock up if you didn't have the foresight to do so two years ago.
The price of apples is high
I'll take a wild guess that you did not apply the same standard to Mr. Obama. He had a boatload of scandals, but I don't recall hearing any libs call for legal action against him.Quote:
but if you find a bunch of rotten apples in the same barrel you don't just eat one without looking closer at it
You didn't hear any repubs calling for legal action either, and they controlled the congress for 6 of the 8 years of the Obama administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Exactly! Just like they are not calling for legal action against Trump now. And why? Because in both cases, there is nothing to take legal action about. I'm glad you are finally beginning to understand that. Just because you hate Trump does not mean there is a legal case against him.Quote:
You didn't hear any repubs calling for legal action either, and they controlled the congress for 6 of the 8 years of the Obama administration
I don't hate the dufus, but legal actions have been taken and it's ongoing and just because you love the dufus doesn't mean he isn't a lying cheating crook that won't be brought to justice IF he has committed a crime. Repubs aren't calling for legal actions because many are protecting him, and many are waiting for the Mueller report which may exonerate him, or indict him, as it has those around him already.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I get you are holding your nose but are your fingers crossed too?
Same thing could be true of you. Same thing could be true of me. That little word IF is a difference maker.Quote:
doesn't mean he isn't a lying cheating crook that won't be brought to justice IF he has committed a crime
Like the dems didn't protect Mr. Obama. Right.
Yeah, I think you hate him. That's why you are accusing him of criminal activity when there is no evidence on him. That's why you call him the dufus. Occam's razor.
The attorney general of New York has already made the dufus an unindicted co conspirator with Michael Cohen concerning campaign finance irregularities, and Mr Barr has said that the Mueller investigations is NOT a witch hunt as the dufus has been saying. The dufus lied about the payoffs, and he lied about knowing of the meeting with the Russians in his tower. He knew all right, as well as at least twice admitting Comey was fired because of the Russia thing.
Evidence is being gathered as assumptions are replaced with FACTS.
Just a reminder to all the Trump accusers. Want to talk about collusion with Russia? Here it is. Note especially the response of, "I understand". I post that because I know all of you who are so concerned about collusion will immediately begin a thread condemning Mr. Obama for this terrible violation. What better evidence could you want? He even put his hand on the other man's arm! "Don't worry, Mr. Medvedev. I'm on your side!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
Never mind that all that changed when Putin came back to power, and have you heard of Medvedev since? Never mind that while the dufus and his stooge were declaring victory over ISIS, Americans were assassinated in Syria. Never mind we have heard NOTHING about those soldiers losing their lives in Syria, from either idiot. Never mind we have no clue what the dufus and Putin are talking about, its so secret his own advisors don't know.
Never mind the millions of folks going broke because the dufus can't let go of his stupid wall. Nobody in Texas wants a wall, so build one in Mississippi why don't you, or NY, or Australia why don't you!
DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!!!
It's like saying the guards in the prison don't want a wall, so instead we'll build one around Walmart.Quote:
Never mind the millions of folks going broke because the dufus can't let go of his stupid wall. Nobody in Texas wants a wall, so build one in Mississippi why don't you, or NY, or Australia why don't you!
Nobody in Texas wants a wall? You must be talking about the people living in the city of Texas, New York. The people living in the state of Texas plainly want a wall as shown by the fact that they voted for Trump.
The Texas people, especially the ones who live along the border, who go back and forth to Mexico for various reasons, and who own property and businesses near the border are quickly changing their minds.Quote:
voted for Trump
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Never mind the millions of folks going broke because the dufus can't let go of his stupid wall. Nobody in Texas wants a wall, so build one in Mississippi why don't you, or NY, or Australia why don't you!
From the Australian point of view we have something much better and just as effective, a deep ocean, but if we didn't have that we might build a wall. Our wall is legal, come here illegally by boat and you will never be allowed to settle. Perhaps if you had such a law, if you come illegally you will never be allowed to settle, you might not need a wall. I know you are for open borders so that will not sit well but consider
Sure we voted for the dufus, but that doesn't mean we fell for that wall, or Mexico paying for it BS. It sure didn't mean we were going to go for eminent domain either. You got reality and BS all mixed up.
Tal, you admit you voted for him, and by default his policies. He is legally President pursuing a policy his predecessors pursued.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Therefore those who lost need to get over it and get on with it.
Why are you saying that Texans are now against the wall?
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