The unfair and unproven character assassination of a SCOTUS nominee will now be called a 'Kavanaugh'. The apparent narrative is that this guy who has had an unblemished record for 30 years of public service was a big drinker in High School who led a ring of sexual assaulters when he wasn't attempting rape and exposing himself to helpless female students .None of his accusers have offered the tiniest sliver of proof ;and have all but admitted to faulty and incomplete recollection of the events ;and cannot produce collaborative witnesses.

In fact ,the NY Slimes investigated the Ramirez claim and decide there was not enough corroboration to report it . Not that it stopped sleaze bags like

Ronnan Farrow from slandering him. The Slimes interviewed over 2 dozen people who were at the college party ;and none can recall the incident

What’s extraordinary is that Ramirez herself admits that she hesitated to come forward because there were such large gaps in her memory; and only came forward after a week of coaching from her lawyer .

Yet Senators are taking these charges seriously and giving them more weight than 6 different FBI back round checks Kavanaugh has had .Over 200 women encompassing his years from high school to the present have signed letters supporting him and his character .

Senator Feinstein should be brought up on ethics violations no matter the outcome . Her withholding the charge until the 11th hour was disgraceful. Knowing this ;Senator Grassley should end this charade Thursday and have his committee vote on the Kavanagh appointment ;and Yertle McConnell should fast track the full Senate vote and get it done in time for the start of the October SCOTUS session .

If you have a son, it should terrify you what Dems think should happen to him if he becomes so successful that the only way to tear him down is to just accuse him of the worst.

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If you have a son, it should terrify you what Dems think should happen to him if he becomes so successful that the only way to tear him down is to just accuse him of the worst.

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If you have a daughter, it should terrify you what Repubs think should happen to her if she.... (fill in the missing words).

You don't find it strange that the victims want the FBI to investigate, but the GOP and Kavanaugh don't? What should we expect from a dufus who brags about assaulting women and dismisses it as locker room talk yet gets elected, and supports his rich pals that have assaulted and harassed women for years. The good old boys always circle the wagons for their own and we all know its about the power.

The GOP has sunk to a new low not unlike the Clarence Thomas appointment. The sad part is that you have seen little boys raped by priests and nobody knew for many years if ever, but you don't give the girls the same benefit of believing them. You guys are sick!

I have a daughter and I fear nothing for her from conservative positions . And the preponderance of real evidence suggest that Kavanaugh has been nothing except an ideal example of a father .

Just remember the vengence of women knows no bounds

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You don't find it strange that the victims want the FBI to investigate, but the GOP and Kavanaugh don't?

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no not particularly . The FBI vetted him and none of this came up . The accusers cannot corroborate . Give a sliver of evidence for the charges besides drunken memories .

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What should we expect from a dufus who brags about assaulting women and dismisses it as locker room talk yet gets elected, and supports his rich pals that have assaulted and harassed women for years.

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What you think of Trump is irrelevant . Where is the proof of these slanders against Kavanaugh ?

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The GOP has sunk to a new low not unlike the Clarence Thomas appointment.

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That is a valid comparison since Thomas was slandered with no evidence except from the words of the accuser also .

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The sad part is that you have seen little boys raped by priests and nobody knew for many years if ever, but you don't give the girls the same benefit of believing them. You guys are sick!

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There is a preponderance of evidence against the predatory priests and the bishops that covered it up . You make me sick because you would destroy the reputation of a man for the single reason that he has different political positions than you and at all cost you think he should be not be seated in the court . Yours isn't the rule of a civilized society . Yours is the law of the jungle . In your system of justice the accused has to prove their innocence instead of the accuser proving guilt .

Christine Blasey Ford is a college professor . Yet

she doesn't really recall how she got to the party. She doesn't recall the house that the party was thrown in, and she doesn't recall how she got home from the party. She has a fuzzy memory about the people that were there at the time .The one other person named says he was not there ;and her account of the event and the notes her therapist took does not match . I'm sure the boys you speak of have a vivid memory and can recall every sordid detail of the assault against them. The Ramirez account ? Well she admits that she was drunk;provides no witness ;had to reflect with her lawyer to square her account .Even with that there are gaps . The collaboration provided was a 3rd hand account by someone who allegedly heard rumors about

the incident . Stormy Daniel's lawyer makes the highly improbable claim that Kavanaugh orchestrated gang rapes in high school . Don't you think it strange that after 30 years of public service and a series of FBI backround checks these stories never emerged until days AFTER the Senate Judiciary hearings ended ? Come on !You are not that naïve .

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Where is the proof of these slanders against Kavanaugh ?

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Proof, or the accumulation and preponderance of evidence? What about the entries in Kavanaugh's yearbook that refer to his sexual escapades, in particular the "FFFFFFFourth of July" entry?

There is no amount of lying that democrats will not engage in so that they might achieve their political ends. He says he was never at the party. No one else at the party has any recollection of his presence at the party. Several dozen women have come forward to speak of Kavanaugh's high character. But he must be guilty because, after all, there are some posts in a yearbook. Dear goodness. It's insanity.

I don't know what that means . Surely such debauchery would have plenty of witnesses who would've recalled these events when the FBI came a calling .

If his year book is fair game then why isn't Ms Ford's year book from Holton Arms Girls School ? That year book was scrubbed Sept 17 from the web when she came out with her charges . According to rumors I hear the facutly of the elitist school promoted an environment of binge drinking and promiscuity . Numerous passages in the book refer to drunken keggers .Photos in the yearbook illustrate examples of minors drinking heavily ;beer cans piled up on the floor .I have seen the alleged pages from someone on the web who anticipated the scrubbing and took a number of screen shots . Beyond that I have no proof it is true. But hey evidently accusations need no proof .

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I don't know what that means . Surely such debauchery would have plenty of witnesses who would've recalled these events when the FBI came a calling .

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Haven't you seen and read all the recollections and quotes from Kavanaugh's former classmates? And read the excerpts from Mark Judge's books?

and did you read Michael Judge's rebuttal of his brother's accounts ? Mark Judge spends some time in his fictional memoirs trashing the memory of his father . However Judge has vehemently denied Kavanaugh ever acting the way he is charged ;and Kavanaugh is not directly implicated in any of Judge’s writings. So how does that become a 'preponderance of evidence'? Not even close . In fact the only thing that comes close to implicating Kavanaugh of any mischief in his book is his accounting of a 'Bart O'Kavanaugh' puking in a car.

Of course a loving brother would rebut! Kavanaugh's former classmates corroborate -- even elaborate and explain.

What is it that after years of staying silent someone feels the need to ruin the career of a person considered upright in the community, where was this person when Kavanaugh was being confirmed as judge. What we have here is a politicisation of the process, after all who's early years can stand absolute scruitiny and if this is a false accusation then the redress should be to destroy the person making the claim

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What is it that after years of staying silent someone feels the need to ruin the career of a person considered upright in the community, where was this person when Kavanaugh was being confirmed as judge. What we have here is a politicisation of the process, after all who's early years can stand absolute scruitiny and if this is a false accusation then the redress should be to destroy the person making the claim.

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Pretty well sums it up. It might be different if there was credible direct evidence to back up the claims of these two women, but instead there is just nothing.

Prof. Ford passed a polygraph, and went through therapy for nothing? That was before Kavanaugh was even considered for SCOTUS. Why would she put herself and her family through this hell for nothing? Why hasn't Kavanaugh called on the FBI, or someone to clear his name? What is he and the GOP afraid of? I'm not so sure the country as a whole is that sold on Kavanaugh, and rightfully so since the GOP foisted the Dufus on us and we know about his women problems that he denies.

Yes. That always proves guilt. "I went through therapy, your honor, and I passed a lie detector test." That will get you nowhere in court if that's all you have. In fact, you won't even get to court. No witnesses. 35 years have gone by. Can't even remember what house this supposedly occurred in. But even if the allegation is true, are we really going to disqualify a man for doing something stupid in high school? If we are going to use that standard, then we won't have many people in the federal government. The FBI can't clear his name. What do you think they are going to do, to investigate and then come out and say this woman is lying? It doesn't work that way. It is up to the accuser to prove his guilt, and she is a million miles away from doing that.

This isn't a court of law, it's a job interview for the highest court job in the land for life. Maybe dude was a party animal and a drunk and did a lot of stupid stuff back in the day, but you cannot ignore he may have traumatized a few people along the way with bad behavior, even if he can't remember or even cares. He denies everything.

For sure his main sponsor and supporter has no moral compass he follows nor does his GOP advise and consent crew ever shown any inkling of gender sympathy, or have shown a lick of ever having one. Looks like a bully job by old entitled white guys to me... and most people.

Maybe that's the REAL problem here as the Dufus led GOP appears to be the party of rich white guys who don't want to be scrutinized or held accountable and are entitled to the rewards that their power can bring them and they won't share it even with their own women. Maybe this is a partisan smear job in reaction to a partisan cover up and power grab.

ITS ON!

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No impartial arbiters here!

"Prove to me my accusations about you are false........."

. . "Let the jury consider their verdict," the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
"No, no!" said the Queen. "Sentence first–verdict afterward."
"Stuff and nonsense!" said Alice loudly. "The idea of having the sentence first!"
"Hold your tongue!" said the Queen, turning purple.
"I won't!" said Alice.
"Off with her head!" the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.

I would rather stick to the modern stuff,

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael...fore-thursday/

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Avenatti says that he has a client who knew Kavanaugh in high school and accused him of setting up girls to be raped. "When the American people hear from her, they will determine, as I have, that she is to be believed," Avenatti said during a press conference Monday evening. Kavanaugh called that claim outrageous...

But his yearbook page repeatedly referenced drinking and in a statement, his former Yale roommate reportedly described Kavanaugh as "a notably heavy drinker" who "became aggressive and belligerent when he was very drunk." The former Yale roommate James Roche admits he "did not observe" Ramirez's account firsthand but that he believes her.

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My question would be to him "What are the things you regret and made you CRINGE as a teen Mr. Kavanaugh?"... (Besides being a drunk virgin.).

What a question. If the requirement to be a SCOTUS judge is to have never had a regrettable moment in your teen years, then I imagine there won't be any judges seated.

When you say that the republican party is the party of "rich white men", in what way aren't you lowering yourself to the level of casting racial stereotypes? It sounds the same as, "I mean after all, you knoowwww how all those rich white guys are. They're all the same." One might hope we could get past that. But perhaps you had a different meaning in mind??

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Prof. Ford passed a polygraph, and went through therapy for nothing? That was before Kavanaugh was even considered for SCOTUS. Why would she put herself and her family through this hell for nothing?

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not true . She went through therapy and designed her game plan in 2012 when there was a possibility that Romney would win and be able to appoint Kavanaugh. Why she would do this is speculation except that she has been a Democrat activist for years .

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Why hasn't Kavanaugh called on the FBI, or someone to clear his name? What is he and the GOP afraid of?

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Why should he . He has passed FBI back round checks a number of times . Why should he give any weight to the allegations ? He will make his statement and his case to the Senate and the American people in testimony this week .

This is what we do know . Ford made accusations that Kavanaugh denies . The 3 people she mentions as " witnesses" are Mark Judge ;Patrick Smyth and Leland Keyser, All three deny attending the party .

Ramirez account is admittedly fuzzy due to the fact that she was drinking . 2 classmates "witness" say they heard of the incident but cannot confirm it was Kavanaugh .

Sixty-five women who said they knew Kavanaugh in high school have signed a letter emphasizing their perceptions of his integrity and decency. Over 200 women overall knowing him through high school ,college and his years in public service have vouched for his character . There is no further investigation necessary .

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Sixty-five women who said they knew Kavanaugh in high school have signed a letter emphasizing their perceptions of his integrity and decency. Over 200 women overall knowing him through high school ,college and his years in public service have vouched for his character . There is no further investigation necessary .

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You would think that would be overwhelming to anyone. If it is not, then I would wonder if that person has any real interest in justice.

You guys don't mind if we don't just take your word for what an upstanding guy Kavanaugh is and vet him a bit closer than you did do you? Of course you mind since he is the hand picked choice of the right wing and the Dufus. That alone begs for a closer look.

Heck, we could have been done with this if the dufus and Shriveled up Chucky G would have started a week ago. With a further IMPARTIAL look into the latest allegations. The only reason I can see for not having the FBI dig deeper into it is you guys are hiding something.

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Maybe that's the REAL problem here as the Dufus led GOP appears to be the party of rich white guys who don't want to be scrutinized or held accountable and are entitled to the rewards that their power can bring them and they won't share it even with their own women. Maybe this is a partisan smear job in reaction to a partisan cover up and power grab.

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I totally agree, Tal. Inside Kavanaugh is still that teenage guy who has no respect for females, as evidenced by what he wants to do to them when (if....) he becomes a Supreme.

It's not OUR fault WG, the repubs don't have any women senators on the judicial committee, and are looking for a woman to do their dirty work of smearing the female who came forward in an open televised hearing. Make no mistake our side chomps at the bit to have at Kavanaugh AGAIN!

Wonder who the next woman to come out will be to smear the GOP virgin golden boy's sterling reputation (When he wasn't incoherently DRUNK that is)? Be careful or you may piss off Kellyanne.

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I totally agree, Tal. Inside Kavanaugh is still that teenage guy who has no respect for females, as evidenced by what he wants to do to them when (if....) he becomes a Supreme

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What amazing insight, that you would know so much about someone you have never even met, and about whom you know very little. 200 former high school and college classmates have stated he is a man of genuine character, but you actually believe that you somehow have the ability to make a judgement from such a distance.

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It's not OUR fault WG, the repubs don't have any women senators on the judicial committee,

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Yeah. They should have sterling characters like Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein. I would be embarrassed to have two senators like them. Now if we could get Margaret Thatcher on board, then that would be wonderful.

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What amazing insight, that you would know so much about someone you have never even met, and about whom you know very little. 200 former high school and college classmates have stated he is a man of genuine character, but you actually believe that you somehow have the ability to make a judgement from such a distance.

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I gave up putting people on pedestals a long time ago and you should be aware that many a hero has fallen from the ranks of mighty by how they have conducted themselves with women over the years that was covered up and unknown to the public. Ailes, O'Reilly, Weinstein, congressmen, and newscasters AND America's favorite dad Bill Cosby who got sentenced Monday.

They all had their fan clubs too until they didn't. Just a word of caution my friend. Neither of us knows the true Kavanaugh, just what we have been told, and for that consider the source. LOL, because he didn't assault the women that knew him in HS, keep in mind they didn't go to school with him.

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They all had their fan clubs too until they didn't. Just a word of caution my friend. Neither of us knows the true Kavanaugh, just what we have been told, and for that consider the source.

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That's fair enough. You might want to tell that to WG. She is the one who has found him guilty even before the trial.

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because he didn't assault the women that knew him in HS, keep in mind they didn't go to school with him.

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Not sure what you mean by that. They DID go to school with him. Read below:

Not to be left out of the moment, over 100 of Kavanaugh’s high school classmates at Georgetown Preparatory School sent a letter to the White House in support of him. The office of the Press Secretary forwarded it along to Senate leadership.After describing his high school and college accomplishments, the letter lists, “Brett’s defining characteristics were his sharp intellectual ability, affable nature, and a practical and fair approach devoid of partisan purpose.”
“These were the same traits that made him stand out at Georgetown Prep, and distinguished him on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit,” the letter continues. “He is a devoted son, husband, father and friend and despite his great achievements, he remains the same grounded and approachable person that we met in High School.”
“Whether it is his long history of accomplishments in public service, volunteering at local civic organizations, serving meals to the less fortunate, or coaching our kids’ basketball teams, Brett has remained a ‘man for others’ through his actions and not mere words. He has consistently demonstrated his dedication to the premise that the pursuit of helping people, and not a political objective, fulfills the promise of human 2 potential and governmental purpose. This, we respectfully suggest, should be the touchstone of the inquiry that you must now conduct.”

I was alluding to females and not specifically his fellow rich classmates since in every example of bad or predatory behavior the subjects have all kinds of support. That seems to be the biggest factor of how these dark sides get buried from the public eye. They have enablers like all of us drunks do.

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That's fair enough. You might want to tell that to WG. She is the one who has found him guilty even before the trial.

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I attended a coed CHRISTIAN college and know what my male schoolmates bragged about (and how they were able to avoid house parents and their rules). I can only imagine the stories the students at an ALL-MALE (no female classmates) prep school could tell....

Yes. They are rich so, of course, they are corrupt. Good grief. At any rate, would 65 women be enough for you? 65 women defend Kavanaugh as 'a good person' amid allegations | Fox News

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I attended a coed CHRISTIAN college and know what my male schoolmates bragged about (and how they were able to avoid house parents and their rules). I can only imagine the stories the students at an ALL-MALE (no female classmates) prep school could tell....

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Oh yes. I see now why you are so able to make these long range judgments since, after all, you can imagine things. "Senator, we have a witness here to testify of what she has imagined." How far would that get you? Granted, it would fit right in with the so called evidence shown against Kavanaugh. Young men sometimes do bad things, so we can just agree to that assumption, but that is about a million miles away from making Kavanaugh guilty. Women have been known to lie, so does that automatically make Dr. Ford a liar?

If you want to think that Kavanaugh is guilty, then go for it, but the truth is this: You nor I know much beyond what the news media has been feeding us. It's Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill all over again, except that Hill at least had some small shred of evidence. Ford has zero. She can't even remember how she got to the party, how she got home, or whose home it was in. So we're going to go on that???

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but the truth is this: You nor I know much beyond what the news media has been feeding us.

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...including Fox. But then there are yearbook entries, quotes from people who knew him back then, Mark Judge's books, etc.

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The yearbook entries prove nothing in connection with Ford's accusation, and when you look at quotes from people who knew him, they are overwhelmingly in his favor. Dozens and dozens and dozens of them supporting Kavanaugh. People willing to sign their name to letters supporting him. It just seems to me that the primary reason she has so much support is her gender. That and a strictly political motivation regarding his nomination. Those are pretty sorry reasons for ruining a man's reputation.

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That and a strictly political motivation regarding his nomination ... sorry reasons for ruining a man's reputation.

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I certainly don't want to return to the mentality of the '50s.

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You could find millions that didn't know the dark side of the people I mentioned above, so that dog don't hunt and to be clear I never equated being rich with being corrupt, but ones circle and social networks are more than willing to espouse the positive and overlook the negatives. If nobody but a few people know you are a zip darn fool when drunk, then we get what we got. POSSIBILITIES of the things we don't know.

I mean if the guy ever admitted he drank like a fish then wouldn't he be more credible than say he never drank like a fish, despite friends KNOWING he did? Naw man he has shown he would say anything to be confirmed and repubs will do anything to confirm him, and YEP dems will do anything to stop him and that's where we are at.

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Oh yes. I see now why you are so able to make these long range judgments since, after all, you can imagine things. "Senator, we have a witness here to testify of what she has imagined." How far would that get you? Granted, it would fit right in with the so called evidence shown against Kavanaugh. Young men sometimes do bad things, so we can just agree to that assumption, but that is about a million miles away from making Kavanaugh guilty. Women have been known to lie, so does that automatically make Dr. Ford a liar?

If you want to think that Kavanaugh is guilty, then go for it, but the truth is this: You nor I know much beyond what the news media has been feeding us. It's Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill all over again, except that Hill at least had some small shred of evidence. Ford has zero. She can't even remember how she got to the party, how she got home, or whose home it was in. So we're going to go on that???

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That's exactly why we should slow down and look deeper for more facts beyond what we have in the media. Maybe Avenatti will have more in a few days. I'm sure you would hate to have some bad stuff come out after Kavanaugh has been seated on the high court. Maybe Dr. Ford will have more at her hearing.

I believed Anita Hill back in the day. Still do. Check out this article which is pretty typical of survivors of traumatic events.

Why did Christine Blasey Ford wait so long? I'll tell you ... | Fox News

So its very inaccurate to say Ford has zero. To millions of women, (AND MEN) she has a VERY credible story. Nothing to do with party affiliation.

There was much more evidence that Obama lied about Benghazi, but you don't accept that. As I have said before, it all comes down to this. In the lives of many, many people, it all comes down to politics. It's not about justice. If it comes down to justice, then you have to say that the evidence that Kavanaugh committed this act is nearly non existent. It would never have seen the light of day in a court. We all know that there will be no civil or criminal case against Kavanaugh after this is over. Why? The evidence is not there, pure and simple. In fact, I greatly hope that Kavanaugh brings a civil case against both of these women for libel. I think he will win.

You guys have the votes so do what you do, since obviously your minds are made up and have been for a long time, so do what you do best.

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Like I said. It all comes down to justice, right and wrong... evidence, or lack thereof.

Naw this isn't about justice its about the healings of trauma victims. That's why they are there standing up to their victimizer. Justice requires the function of courts and the lawful presenting of evidence. This is a job interview and the applicant has credibility problems and questions on that credibility have been raised and need to be addressed. I don't know how fair this is when repubs have no time to investigate or bring witnesses to verify or dispute those issues but I can certainly see where excluding any and all facts and witness is in their interest, but even repubs have to see that fair this ain't, nor obviously is it intended to be.

LOL do you really think this sham hearing will make the accusers go away? Naw, they will be all over the networks talking about judge Kavanaugh, or Justice Kavanaugh. Which ever the case may be. I don't mind which poison you guys pick, and maybe that's the justice you speak of. Watching you guys explain how great the Kool Aid is. Or that its rain getting your heads all wet.