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We should ask ourselves how does a situation arise where there are nine major concurrent storms threatening to wreck havoc? We should also ask ourselves will our responses be adequate? History suggests they will not
Note that 7 of the highest 8 seasons for major hurricanes occurred BEFORE the year 2000, so maybe doing nothing is not a bad idea.
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When you say doing nothing are you speaking about the response to the devastation? That would be the Trump response. On the other hand if you are speaking about climate change, we are already beyond the tipping point if the problem is emissions, and if the reason is something else, then there is nothing we can do but recognise we live in a volitile environment and we are not in charge.
We can expect there will be problems from these storms in the US, the UK, Philippines, China and other places yet to be determined and looking to the past is little consolation. Perhaps we should be thinking that this happens and people should be persuaded to be building in different places, building in more resistant materials and moving away from coastlines and rivers. The stotic attitude of "ah well, shlt happens" isn't good enough
The attachment didn't work JL, but the science is clear warmer water more intense storms, but individual resources count because you need insurance and a place to go. Some have neither, and man has yet to fully be prepared for mother natures forces. I mean who can afford the costs of building those hurricane and flood resistant homes? Remember Katrina overwhelmed the new levy systems they had, and it was back to the drawing board but the main issue is man is HELPLESS no matter what he does because he under estimates the problem, and it's complexities, and resources are very limited in the first place for a cleanup after huge disasters hit.
Yeah it's the AFTER that's the problem. Even if a massive evacuation goes well at some point you go back to that reality of rebuilding in time for the next wave of tourists.
I was referring to a massive, economy-destroying effort (Paris Climate Accord) to lower CO2 in the atmosphere. You can be sure that FEMA will do a good job in responding to the current emergency. NC has already done a lot of prep, unlike the poor efforts put forth by La and NO in the time prior to Katrina. If they do as well as Mississippi did during Katrina, they will have done great.
I hope the link will work now. These things are hard to get to work on this platform, at least they are for me. Oh well.
I would love to hear about those economy destroying efforts to lower CO2 emissions. Sure the technology spans several industries and is expensive initially for producers but clean air for the residences that live near them is worth it don't you think? I see it like the big bucks cyber companies have to pay for securing your information.
I do better with links and C&P than attachments.
geeze you should see the look of disappointment from the left as Florence downgraded . 1st they jacked up the deaths in PR to around the same #s as 9-11 days before Florence hit ;with no proof that the new assessment is close to accurate . Then they hit everyone with this non-story about Trump diverting FEMA money to ICE (note none of the money transferred would be eligible for disaster relief ;and FEMA disaster relief fund is fully funded to the tune of $26.5 billion . )Then we find out that in PR cases and cases of water that FEMA sent to the island were left untouched in the airport. I suppose it was Trump's fault that the local government there is a basket case . Give it a day or 2 and you will hear the whining about the poor Federal response .
WEATHER HAPPENS ! . I give you permission to make that into a bumper sticker .Quote:
We should ask ourselves how does a situation arise where there are nine major concurrent storms threatening to wreck havoc?
The weakening of Florence is no disappointment to THIS lefty, given I have a LOT of peeps in the Carolinas, but between potential tornadoes, and the creeks and rivers rising this weather happening is FAR from over.
What are you retweeting the Dufus Tom? I agree that the butt kissing governor was caught flatfooted, but PR never had a chance without a huge logistics boost from a huge presence within the island like other Americans had.
Dufus still gets a F!
You either take charge of relief or you do not, relief is not dumping a load at the airport and who knows when it was dumped, in any case, power is what is needed not water that should have been a load of generators and fuel
while I'm here I would like to make the point, everything isn't a debate about CO2 emissions, and everything that happens shouldn't be blamed on the negative or positive effects of abatement
What makes you think that is not being done? It's amazing. This storm is not over yet, and relief efforts have barely begun, yet people can't wait to jump on the "hate Trump" bandwagon, even when they have no idea of what's going on.Quote:
in any case, power is what is needed not water that should have been a load of generators and fuel
Actually, the science is not clear at all on that. According to this site, the 5 most intense storms ever on the basis of low pressure all occurred prior to the year 2000.Quote:
but the science is clear warmer water more intense storms,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...pical_cyclones
You make a compelling scientific case, and I thank you for that, and submit that often these storms are measured by the destruction they bring and the toll to humans in the aftermath. Taking Florence as an example, though it weakened at landfall, the area it effected was pretty enormous, and may take days or weeks to deal with all the water it stirred around, and the loss of power. Still a dangerous situation, after first responders have made their initial rescues, it's still all hands on deck.
Hurricanes are but part of the wild weather and changing environment we face though. Yeah maybe weather happens, but if we can poison whole communities without the weather being wild then you have a better insight on the whole climate change argument that has humans fingerprints all over it.
warmer water ...... Florence dropped to a cat 2 and below before it reached landfall
I wonder WHY? Dumb luck I guess. Whatever it is I'm glad the full fury of this storm didn't have to be realized.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not sure what you mean there. Poison whole communities?Quote:
but if we can poison whole communities without the weather being wild then you have a better insight on the whole climate change argument that has humans fingerprints all over it.
Flint Michigan comes to mind, but they are just the most famous one, but not the only one.
If people hate Trump it is because of his big mouth and ego, he does it to himself. One day he might stop twisting the factsQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Trump is a despicable thing of evil, and anybody who can't see that is blind.
For those who DO see it and continue to support Trump for his political ideology are playing Faust to Trump's Mephistopheles.
Does Trump have a political ideology? It is not readily apparent. His stamp appears to be that he is different and therefore anything that anyone else did is not for him
What on earth does Flint have to do with climate change?? Your original statement ("we can poison whole communities without the weather being wild then you have a better insight on the whole climate change argument that has humans fingerprints all over it.") seems to be referring to climate change. Perhaps I misread your intent.Quote:
Flint Michigan comes to mind, but they are just the most famous one, but not the only one.
I just love reading the comments of all the dems who supported the most inept, dishonest presidential candidate to run for that office since her husband, Bill. If you are going to run a candidate like that, don't complain when you end up with a Donald Trump. When you describe him as "a despicable thing of evil", you could more accurately be describing YOUR candidate. You are saying that we who voted for Trump should have voted for saint Hillary like all of the smart, moral people did. That assertion won't hold water, not so much as a drop.
I said a while back that if Hillary can go through decades of scrutiny, very publicly I might add, by you guys, then The Dufus can darn well be subjected to the same scrutiny. Then we can compare the results. How about that?
Deal. Just bear in mind that Comey said she was plainly guilty in the whole deal of having confidential files in her personal possession, but simply declined to prosecute. That she destroyed evidence seems plain to anyone willing to look. Her foolish behavior of conducting government business on a non-secure email server was beyond belief.Quote:
I said a while back that if Hillary can go through decades of scrutiny, very publicly I might add, by you guys, then The Dufus can darn well be subjected to the same scrutiny. Then we can compare the results. How about that?
The good news everybody in the country has gotten hacked except... you guessed it... Hillary.
A high school student could've hacked HC's server. Please don't try to say the Russkies didn't know what she had. And everyone got hacked??? Nah.Quote:
The good news everybody in the country has gotten hacked except... you guessed it... Hillary.
What does weather have to do with Dilliary, everything is not about politics
The right wing and the draconian political agenda driven by the dufus makes everything about politics. They hate Hillary and would rather keep her alive in the public and deny science while they rob the poor to enrich themselves. Funny how they politicize Florence for weakening at the shores, yet say nothing about the rivers and creeks that are so swollen they flood communities within 2 states and a rainfront sure to affect many more states before it's over.
You have to be really careful listening to those loonies Clete, especially about science, logic, or the facts of the matter, because they always start hollering about how lefties are corrupt and out to get them. They are just happy they avoided Hurricane Hillary, but can't explain the mess the Dufus is making.
Which loonies are they? The ones who think that the science is settled when the evidence points to a cause other than CO2, the loonies who elected Trump because they couldn't stand Dilliary? Maybe Trump is making a mess. But it is a strange mess in which employment is the best it is in years and the economy is buoyant. I know inflation will kick in soon and you can blame Trump but until thenQuote:
You have to be really careful listening to those loonies Clete
I think reasonable people can agree that measures that reduce mans pollution of the air, water, and land is a good thing for everybody. You cannot always break it down to who makes money and who doesn't, nor ignore the environmental effects of mans mistakes. If you have never lived close enough to know that then I can see your not understanding it fully.
There is a profound reason rich guys never live close to coal fired power plants, or oil refineries, but guess who does? Yes it costs money to scrub and capture waste material, but isn't that the cost of doing business? Go ahead drink the water, or build your mansion on a dumping ground, or have one near you and then tell me clean air, water, and land don't matter. Facts and data matter but what you do with them matters more, so denying the facts is no better than ignoring them.
After the floods that Florence brings it's the dirt and debri that's left. Or would you prefer being on a beach that mans junk and gunk washes up on? Didn't learn a thing from Valdez, or the gulf spills or those various sites in Michigan that they are still cleaning up after years and decades.
Go ahead wait for the dufus to screw up and then clean up his mess. It's preventable now if you stop listening to his lies and feckless sycophants.
go ahead with your case without this fear mongering AGW nonsense .Quote:
think reasonable people can agree that measures that reduce mans pollution of the air, water, and land is a good thing for everybody.
yeah that rich guys builds beach front mansions instead. Not a wise more from someone who probably spends their lives making risk evaluations . If this AGW thing had credibility that rich guy would be building on a big hill .Quote:
There is a profound reason rich guys never live close to coal fired power plants, or oil refineries, but guess who does?
Thank goodness you don't engage in hate speech. I never cease to be amazed at the hatred and vitriol directed at Trump from the left. You have lost the ability to be civil in making your case for the opposition. The mean-spirited name calling gets kind of old.Quote:
Go ahead wait for the dufus to screw up and then clean up his mess. It's preventable now if you stop listening to his lies and feckless sycophants.
I don't like racists bullies!
So does changing the topic of the question to some crap you want to discuss, you want to talk about Hilliary open a topic, you want to talk about climate change open a topic. Me, I'm interested in the response to the outcome of this weather, is anyone interested in what happened to people in the Philippines or even the US. Talk about been mean spirited, you take the cakeQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
This was your first response to your own question. So guess who started the political responses?? Yes, that would be you. Good grief this gets old.Quote:
When you say doing nothing are you speaking about the response to the devastation? That would be the Trump response.
No you started it by introducing the Paris Accords into what had nothing to do with climate change, now you are ducking and projecting, you are a manipulator
Politics aside for a minute, a million people are without power in the Carolinas, and flooding from Florence has displaced hundreds of thousands, many without flood insurance or resources to rebuild or clean up when they do get home which as of now is unknown. It continues into the southern new England regions bringing more heavy rains and floods with it.
It ain't over yet. Day 5 and counting.
That was my first response, after which you responded about Trump. Do you see anything about Paris in there? It was a post about hurricanes, right in line with your topic. Then YOU brought up Trump. So who introduced politics? If you said "Clete", you go to the front of the line.Quote:
Note that 7 of the highest 8 seasons for major hurricanes occurred BEFORE the year 2000, so maybe doing nothing is not a bad idea.
Later I did make a reference to Paris, which kind of makes sense considering that the Paris Climate Accord was about... the climate!!
Now I think I misunderstood the intent of your original post. I thought you were referring to doing something about climate change. Evidently you were talking about how to respond to storms which is certainly a valid topic. I still don't know why you brought Trump into it, but who knows.
My reference to Trump was a question of how he might respond given the dismal record in PR, not waffling on about climate change, but then waffling is what you do
Like I said. You brought in the politics.
Hard to separate politics from reality, motives, behavior, and policy nowadays. Pulling out of an organization that includes everybody but a few doesn't sound that great of an idea, especially since it was non binding but relationships could be built. But of course leave it to the Dufus to shun being part of something greater than himself.
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