The blond bogeyman - every child's nightmare.
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The blond bogeyman - every child's nightmare.
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Beauty and the Beast
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What's up with the cheap jacket?
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Originally Posted by talaniman
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Does anyone really care or is it all politics, it looks like propaganda
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Millions of people worldwide are repelled by Trump's callous treatment of children, probably leading to lifelong difficulties according to expert pediatricians. He is using these children for nothing more than political advantage.
The mistreatment has been verified by videos, audios, and hundreds of on-site witnesses. The truth is not propaganda!
Apparently, only you and a smattering of the uncaring right-wing think it's made up. Even some of the State News (FOX) is joining in the worldwide condemnation.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
I initially deleted my reply because I couldn't believe Mrs. Trump would do anything so indecent as the FLOTUS quote implies. Now that I've read a number of articles about the jacket, I'm confused.
She has previously made a statement with her choice of dress. Her husband claims she is commenting on the "fake news". Well, we can all dismiss that out of hand - her husband has a marked propensity to make stuff up to satisfy whatever he is thinking at the moment.
Furthermore, Mrs. Trump is not one to casually select the clothing she will wear in public. She is sending a message, but what message?
It turns out that her actual televised visit was something in the nature of propaganda since it took place at a teenage facility where, we were assured, all the detainees are happy in this place they call "home". "Home". That was the actual word used by the guard.
Not a word about the issue at hand - the treatment and whereabouts of the 2,000+ babies and toddlers.
Plus the news about the government moving the disappeared children to military bases. Other detention locations being managed by for-profit organizations where the money has top priority resulting in bad food among other not-so-good treatment.
This last piece of information said the for-profit management began with the Bush administration and continued all through the Obama administration - and into today's administration. This just gets worse and worse.
What I think is made up is the angst over this, separating children from their parents is not a great idea, however locking up illegal immigrants is. What has been wrong with your program is you have allowed these people into the community thereby sending a message, which basically says, come anyway, you will just get a slap on the wrist, and you also set up sanctuaries, also sending the same message and you wonder why you have a problem which is going to take some hard decisions to fix. If you really wanted it fixed there would be a bipartisan solution worked out, but you would rather ply political football and stuff the people caught in the middleQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You lock up criminals, not make criminals out of victims of failed governments. That's the flaw in YOUR thinking. You confuse INVADERS with REFUGEES.
Do I have to start schooling you on what YOUR bibles says is the right thing to do? You are right about the angst though that has been TRUMPED up way out of proportion for consumption by the easily influenced few in the right wing who like you, are scared sh!tless of other people.
The rest of us are outraged by this show of callous disregard for desperate humans with no place to turn.
I'm not scared of other people, but I want them to respect our laws when they come here. What you have is a few refugees and many, many, economic migrants. To escape their refugee problem all they have to do is walk over the border, but the Mexicans who cross the border are not refugees, this is where you are confused between the victims of wars and those who want what you have.
I don't show callous disregard, many refugees are welcomed in my country every year as are migrants, but there is a process because there are among them war criminals, liars and the criminal class and we do not have be ability to resettle millions.
As to the Bible it says look after the foreigner amongst you, not import them from other places, so we do this. You have heard of giving alms, haven't you, this we do too, helping people in other places, so don't quote a book you don't believe in to me. The duty of the Christian is to preach the gospel as well as helping the sick and infirm and so on. I don't see where you have to welcome invaders and those with no respect for your laws
You are sorely misinformed. We have many refugees and fewer and fewer economic migrants. Fact is there are families on both sides and a vast number of Americans and Mexicans who work on the other side of our border. I don't know how you or anyone else can get things so conflated and out of proportion, but the notion of millions is absurd, and maybe it would help if you would explore the facts of the central American triangle and not just rely on those with bigoted and racists ideas and agendas. I mean no ones is importing foreigners, assuming you mean don't LEGAL immigrants, but to assume 3rd world poor people escaping death and slavery have a sophisticated knowledge of your or my laws, let alone the mastery of language is just as absurd.
They may not have had the TIME or means to prepare to be good citizens while they run for their lives, so why do you hold that against them? I suppose it's easier to judge the actions of another when they cannot toe the line of your expectations, especially after a long hard arduous trip which the Dufus describes as a walk in the park. By sea or land its still a life threatening risk and many have died trying to make it.
I don't know how those FACTS can be dismissed by you hardline immigration supporters. Unless the only thing that matters are your own feelings on the matter and facts be damned.
Tal my reference to millions in the context of the numbers of displaced people in the world and also in regard to the numbers of illegal immigrants reported over there. I don't think people are unaware of basic laws which require that you require a visa and identification to enter. I doubt anyone embarks on a journey without some facts even those gleaned from talking to friends. There are many people who have money to pay people smugglers and these people have every intention of breaking what ever laws might exist so they place themselves in danger. I don't know how you can lightly dismiss these facts and want to open your doors and take responsibility for them
Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.
Legality is a matter of whose making the law, and WHY and a shameful FACT is we are notorious for making discriminatory and unfair laws here since our inception. Our entire history since founding has marginalized one group or another which makes a joke of the very Constitution to which we swear an oath too.
In truth those words were written to guide us to perfection, NOT declare we are perfect. The words IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION is a GOAL, a path, that fully recognizes a long hard journey, and many disagree and the debate rages on loud and raucous even if the blood and guts has ended for the most part (:I). I'm not bragging when I say we have surpassed many older nations on our way to higher potential, so don't hold your breath waiting for yet another "empire" to fail, or The Mad King Dufus will not got by truth and JUSTICE.
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I actually like the term you used "displaced people". Much more accurate and human than ILLEGALS.
Two very good points, especially the second one, which should be read and understood by all strict constructionists.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm glad for you that your economy is so buoyant it can take on all comers, it makes no sense that your government speaks of rejecting 'immigrants" who don't have the right paperwork and so I wonder why there is debate. I sense that things are not as transparent as you claim and that all you are really doing is adding to the poor and destitute within your borders. This is aspirational for some, no doubt, I wonder what the people in the rust belt think, do they have employment for these new comers?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Go Ahead, give California and Texas back to the Mexicans, and what will happen is those people will want to move somewhere else, bitten by the restless bug, no doubt. Have they started building favillas in Texas? They will get to it, perhaps this is what the government wants to avoid
I think you would sing a different tune if those you want to welcome were Muslims with no intention of assimilating your culture
I've never met a Muslim who didn't blend into our culture. And each adds so much!Quote:
I think you would sing a different tune if those you want to welcome were Muslims with no intention of assimilating your culture.
Well good for you, ask the people of Dearborn what they think, Oh you can't they are all MuslimQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Sharia is for their own community.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_4179045.html.
Also -
But for the last half-decade, Dearborn has been the unwilling darling of the extreme right, a bogeyman invoked to perpetuate the ersatz notion that sharia law, a system of justice derived from the Koran, has gained a foothold on American soil.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dearbo...s-areamericans
Hard to know which piece of fake news to believe isn't it
Guess we'd have to visit and check it out for ourselves. I tend to believe the preponderance of info that says Sharia isn't a big deal there.
You could try to stop listening to right wing loony racists. Seriously though, the thought of your grandkids looking like the people you kicked and dogged out for a few centuries can be rather traumatic.
Not so hard if you do your due diligence and don't parade expressions from Trump like "fake news" which immediately reveals your true inclinations.Quote:
Hard to know which piece of fake news to believe isn't it
I've already visited. I lived in Dearborn for a year representing my company with the big three automotives. Ford is headquartered in Dearborn.Quote:
Guess we'd have to visit and check it out for ourselves. I tend to believe the preponderance of info that says Sharia isn't a big deal there..
Walking down the street you would never suspect that Dearborn is anything but a typical American midwest city. I'm sure there were mosques there when I was there but I never saw them. I never knew the religion of my neighbors. I can guarantee you there was no Sharia law there. There were good restaurants - probably due to Ford HQ being there.
I was aware that an Arab-American community thrived there, but nobody cared much about that then. If memory serves, most of the Arabs were Christians (Maronite Catholics) and had been in Dearborn since the 1920s. They were drawn to work in the automobile plants with the children of many becoming executives and managers.
It's true that over the years Muslims from the Middle East have tended to come to Dearborn, especially in the last ten years with wars in Yemen and Syria. Recently, the alt-right has targeted Dearborn as a hotbed of Muslim intrigue and terrorism without a scintilla of proof. It's simply the way the alt-right operates.
It's a bit like blaming Boston with its heavily Irish population being a setting for terrorists planning on bombing the Brits. During "The Troubles", an IRA member may have landed in Boston seeking money or recruits but there's never been any record of such an event. The Boston Irish-Americans went about their business just as the Dearborn Arab-Americans have done.
Can anybody answer the question of why the members of congress and state officials are denied access to these immigrant detention centers? The first lady wasn't denied access. What's wrong with that picture?
Scott demands answers about immigrant center for children as Nelson alleges federal 'cover up' - Sun Sentinel
Tal it's an election year and obviously these politicians want the publicity for being seen to be caring. So why should they be allowed to grandstand?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You hear that all the ho ha about the kid in the picture was false the kid wasn't taken away from the parent. it is no wonder trump talks about the MSM creating fake news and this time they succeeded in their objective. Government by media, it's a bad scene
Makes sense Clete since the Mad Dufus King fancies himself a dictator who answers to no one. Shortly after posting my question though delegates of democrats did get into some facilities and of course they came away blasting the MDK's policy. The repubs were nowhere to be found though except the old line establishment types who called for the Dufus Cult to be reduced this election.
We'll see.
And the First Lady accomplished what?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
A cutie patooty photo op, with an ill timed(?) fashion statement, what else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Who knows, a photo op?
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Originally Posted by paraclete
You're right and I'm sorry I posted it. It was obviously photoshopped and DID make a valid point, but it was misleading in that the child was assumed to be one of the lost ones. He wasn't. TIME is supporting its decision but I think they're defending a weak position.
In any case, this is not even remotely a "proof" of fake news in the sense Trump has been trumpeting for a few years now. His definition of fake news, to remind you, is news that criticizes him! Even if it's truer than true, it's still fake!
The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error.
It begs the question; How much more of what we are expected to believe as news is fake, made up or "error". Too much propaganda which is exactly what this was. InexcusableQuote:
The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error
Nothing inexcusable about it - as I said, its point is perfectly valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If you're looking for inexcusable, try Colludin' Donald for the last 30 or 40 years. The man is a walking "Vesuvius of mendacities" as George Will so aptly put it as the former Republican urged the nation to vote Democratic in the 2018 elections.
So how many 'displaced people' have you taken into your home ? How many refugee children have you adopted ? What you mean is that you want someone else (preferably a rich person ) to pay for your empathy .Quote:
Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourte...s_Constitution
Stick with your rhetoric like the Mad King Dufus wants you too, and indulge yourself in CHAOS. I prefer the LAW to establish Good Orderly Direction. Did you object when Cubans touched our land and were afforded our protection?Quote:
The Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people, including all non-citizens, within itsjurisdiction. This clause has been the basis for many decisions rejecting irrational or unnecessary discrimination against people belonging to various groups.
yeah I know ;that is why you have to stop them BEFORE entry .Afterwards you have no choice but to round them up and detain them until due process is provided . What do you want ? The emperor's catch and release ? Maybe you want these 'displaced ' kids rounded up /detained according to the law ,and then handing them off to unvetted foster care like the emperor was doing ?
Round them up and bus them back, that's the Trump plan
To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum . There is no fee to apply for asylum.
btw that photo is fake news. That girl was NOT separated from her mother .
And they were handing out the forms at the border and were patiently helping asylum seekers fill them out....Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That photo could have numbered in the 1,000s of other babies, toddlers, and kids who were torn from parents' arms.
Pure rhetoric, it was a lie what does it feel like to be sucked in
Well that's a dumb statement since your state run TV must not carry all the news from here
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ren/716016002/
Or pictures
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfdw4TeUwAAWpPh.jpg
But what does a hardliner like yourself care about how humans are treated.
from your link ..................Pena added that the young boy in the photograph, the son of a friend, had wandered into the cage where older children were demonstrating and became upset when he saw his mother on the other side of the structure. The child was promptly taken out of the cage, he said.
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