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She is a two-year-old from Honduras.
Her horrible dilemma is the result of the barbaric cruelty of Donald Trump who is using this poor child for his own failed political objective. It does not get more evil than this.
Think of this picture the next time you see that smug bastard spewing his vomitous lies on the TV.
So the kid is crying because her mommy got caught doing the wrong thing and your lies don't help
No, she DIDN'T get caught doing the wrong thing. She came to this country, just like my ancestors did, seeking asylum from the turmoil and killings in her country.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Well maybe however as a asylum seeker you present yourself at a border check point, etc. you don't know her motives only the outcome of her journey
Do you know where the border checkpoints are?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't need to know because I'm not journeying to the US but they are located at various border crossings right along the borderQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rder_crossings
No doubt if you follow the major highways you will find one there are also many border patrol internal checkpoints which have to be maintained because people choose to avoid these official border crossings
asylum seekers who come uninvited are invaders .
Illegal immigrants are invaders, asylum seekers may have genuine reasons but should follow the accepted protocolsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Does your nation allow asylum seekers to waltz through your borders demanding protection and the largess of your taxpayers ? Of course not . If they arrive without a visa are they not subject to mandatory indefinite detention? Isn't that average detention still well over a year with many of them still in detention over 6 years now ? Can their visa be voided if they fail a 'character test ' ? Isn't it true thata person who arrives without authorization is barred from applying for any sort of visa? Do you not have “Operation Sovereign Borders”, a military response to the movement of unauthorized asylum seekers to Australia?
No we have not always welcomed all asylum seekers . The US for years has had a 'credible fear' process where applicant has to prove they are in danger in their country .Quote:
And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.
In addition to being vetted using intelligence databases, asylum seekers also submit documentation, including: proof of identity; medical records or death certificates; affidavits from witnesses; and testimonies from medical professionals confirming past torture or trauma. Anyone who is not subject to this process cannot be considered an asylum seeker .
From a comment on Facebook:
"For the one Bible verse being cited for this policy, there are hundreds more speaking of loving our neighbors, and condemning those who harm children. But if you don't read the Bible, look at the base of the Statue of Liberty."
Tom I agree with our policies and by your earlier words I thought you endorsed them. I agree that you cannot allow your nation's borders to be ignored and allow in a plague of locusts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes we require orderly migration which means you rock up at an embassy before you come and obtain a visa in the appropriate category. Don't have the money, sorry, then you probably can't afford to live here
What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optionalQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That is the truth . There have been times of tight control and times of admitting more . The one thing those times have in common was the laws were enforced .Quote:
What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optional
You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?
To add such a big deal is made and a fortune spent for solving HALF the problem since more than 40% of illegal immigrants came here legally but never returned when their visas expired and not renewed or updated.
Please spare me the zero tolerance and bible thumping justification for the half a$$ attempt to appear to be so tough on lawbreakers. Terrorizing exhausted desperate men, women and kids is not even a good photo op, let alone a solution to a bigger problem. Selective law enforcement by a guy who breaks the law is NOT impressive except to simpleton sycophants.
and the only thing you are concerned about is the optics . What did you do for 8 years when the emperor was doing essentially the same thing ? hypocrisy thy name is Democrats .Quote:
simpleton sycophants.
What you are saying is laws should not be enforced that makes you an anarchistQuote:
You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?
Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition. The Dufus separate's the kids from parents and anyone can see the difference. Sure Obama built his tent cities, but for families, without separating them for the most part. Most were even deported after the court found they were not eligible for asylum. Vastly different than what the Dufus is doing just to get his wall money.
Former first ladies including Melania Trump have spoken out on this IMMORAL process that Sessions has implemented. Your Obama did it argument falls far from truth. You know my main argument about repubs is how they implement and carry out the policies the push.
Hardly and as I told Tom there is a humane way to enforce the law. Of course you don't care about that do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/o...n-centers.htmlQuote:
Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/14...ldren-missing/
https://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/...fights-itself/
Here is a 2014 photo (worth a thousand words ) of how the emperor's policies worked for children .We didn't know about this until a former speech writer for he emperor published them thinking this was happening under Trump and not 2014 .When he discovered his error ,he deleted his tweet.
https://www.azcentral.com/picture-ga...lity/10808687/
https://amp.businessinsider.com/imag...c-1536-996.jpg
From 2011 …..https://www.colorlines.com/articles/...rtation-system
https://www.denverpost.com/2012/08/2...-are-deported/
https://reason.com/blog/2011/11/03/o...on-legacy-4600
Editorial: Democrats are responsible - News-Times: News
I just love the selective outrage here .
You are right Tom 100%. The mad King Dufus outrages me to my CORE!! Yes that's selective, but no more selective than your 8 year attack on Obama!
It is what it is!
Yes the humane way to enforce the law, lock up people for petty offences, swell the prison population and allow illegal immigrants to take their place all in the name of being humane. If you wanted to be humane to these people who seem compelled to cross your borders you could stop investing in China and start investing in your own hemisphere, but your wonderful capitalist utopia would never have the objective of helping people out of poverty.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
When your own economy is as big and dynamic as ours then maybe your advice will have more credibility. I don't see that happening anytime soon do you?
Well we are steadily overtaking you, from last place two hundred years ago we are now in the top twenty of world economies so perhaps there is something we can teach you about getting things done and having a dynamic economyQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Please think about the innovations that we have given you or turn off your WIFI
Sure when you turn off your lights, radio, and TV.
And how much of that did you invent? You are great exploiters TalQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trump has pulled out of the UN Human Rights Council. Now I can understand that some of the membership doesn't stack up but using Israel as an excuse instead of admitting that the US doesn't respond well to criticism
You (Actually THEY!) are getting paid the big bucks for patented contribution so get over yourself, as it's not the ONLY thing moving human evolution along. That alone doesn't make YOU or YOURS better than ME or MINE, so can the ego tripping until you actually do catch up in dynamic economic influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The Dufus doesn't respond well to criticism, and it's but a set up lean toward the dictators and madmen who share is authoritarian leanings.Quote:
Trump has pulled out of the UN Human Rights Council. Now I can understand that some of the membership doesn't stack up but using Israel as an excuse instead of admitting that the US doesn't respond well to criticism
Oh we are testy todayQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trump would be right at home in that committeeQuote:
The Dufus doesn't respond well to criticism, and it's but a set up lean toward the dictators and madmen who share is authoritarian leanings.
You would be testy too if you weren't such an immigration hardliner, devoid of humanity for the plight of desperate humans. Immigration is but one top story kicked around between partisan factions in the continuation of our civil war. I live in Texas and vilifying women, children and babies and housing them as criminals in MY gets under my CRAW!
As do those who make this about everything but the right thing. The Mad King Dufus has created another crisis and his sycophants line up behind him parroting his LIES. Yes I am testy, but no more than usual since the Dufus seized control of my TV. Friday can't come soon enough.
Well you can relax this morning Tal and make way to open your home since Trump has ended separation and there will be a consequenceQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Your hyperbolic speech sounds just like the Dufus's racist non fact rants and stupid antics, of which he is eating as we speak. Your gloom and doom FAKE invasion is a bit over the top Clete and wasn't true before the Dufus nor will be after.
It's a BIG FAT LIE, and the nation has seen through it and forced him to reverse himself. Be assured we will see if indeed he puts those kids back with their families.
Well Tal what you need over there is some real policies and real debate
And real Truth. The EO trumps signed was BS since it didn't reunify the more than 2200 kids already in custody, in violation of the Flores AgreementQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/res...and-next-steps
To have real debate to get real policies you have to have honest parties, and obviously this tactic is about The Dufus getting his money and the kids are but pawns held hostage as a negotiating tactic. That makes this a WAR right in the middle of silly season.
honest parties who tell the truth of what they want aka open borders ? if not that ,then what level of immigration and border control would be acceptable ? As an example ;the minute Trump said that families would not be separated . Kamile Harris complained that locking up families with their children was unacceptable .
As talinman said, you cannot have honest discussion about immigration and border control as long as that fruitcake in the WH continues to demand the American taxpayer foot the bill for his "Mexican-funded" wall!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
First, get rid of Trump the evil promoter of all that is unholy, then all sides can sit down and talk.
as I suspected ;you refuse to admit that your goal is open borders
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
My GOAL, in case you hadn't noticed, is to get Trump out of government. Then, and only then, got all those spineless Republicans who a**-kissed and continue to a**-kiss Trump also out of government.
When that happens, all sides can sit down and work out an arrangement fair and acceptable to all. Your "open borders" is a non-starter.
I'll admit I was against the FENCE back in the day, because the whole immigration debate is a trumped up fear mongering campaign drummed up far beyond the rational. I can accept border patrols but never the notion of a big beautiful wall you can see from space to save us from the brown people. To be frank I'm against all the ideas and policies a lying cheating loudmouth bully proposes.
Current Events is full of my ideas and feelings and I stand by that 100%. The brown people are no threat, and like all the immigrants before them have contributed through the generations to the greatness of America. Compared to the threat of gun violence in our public places women and children running from a house on fire in central America is NOTHING!
So listen to the Dufus and get behind his idiotic ideas that waste time and money and ignore the rest of the immigrants who have overstayed their visas and green cards and the nut job AMERICANS terrorist reeking REAL havoc on our domestic front. Fix the fence get more guards or go kick the central American governments in their a$$ or all the above but spare me the BS!
Only a zip damn fool would give a guy American banks won't do business with a dime let alone 25 billion bucks! But then if you voted for such a fool after knowing he had court cases, bankruptcies and is in court being sued for god knows what now, then maybe you are a bit foolish! And those my slow to believe your own eyes friends are FACTS!
DUMP DUFUS before it's too late. Or free the kids and lock the Dufus up!
Tal, time to give up and admit you have Trump for at least another two years and that means more BS. I suggest you go out and buy a bulldozer which is what you should have given yourself Christmas 2016.
The "fence" will be a nice piece of intergenerational infrastructure, a semi-permanent reminder of better days
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