Trump is a white supremacist. He is the chief enabler and encourager of the Nazis and KKK in their racist ideology. He made that absolutely certain in his out-of-control press conference at Trump Tower yesterday.

Trump has appointed about 20-30 people to various political positions (cabinet heads, etc.). EVERY ONE OF THEM SHOULD RESIGN TODAY UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE FOREVER TARNISHED WITH THE REPUTATION OF BEING A NAZI SUPPORTER.

There are hundreds of Republican Congressmen who have been silent in condemning Trump for his outspoken encouragement of the Klan and the Nazis. EVERY ONE OF THEM SHOULD DENOUNCE TRUMP BY NAME TODAY UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE FOREVER TARNISHED WITH THE REPUTATION OF BEING A NAZI SUPPORTER.

Some people just get their knickers in a knot. Trump was right there was wrong on both sides, when you go spoiling for a fight you just might get one

It's wrong to stand up to racists? Back away from the Trump-Ade!

No, but why give them what they are looking for?

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Good Lord!! What planet are you from? One side spouts evil racist ideology from the KKK and the Nazis - and the other side fights against that evil. And you call this WRONG ON BOTH SIDES!!!

Your swastika is showing.

What do you expect when Nazis raise their heads in public. A big war was fought against them, were those that opposed them then wrong? Law enforcement dropped the ball because they should have seen this fight coming.

Clete ;What you are witnessing here is the intolerance of the left . I condemn to Nazis ;KKK and other goonish untra-nationalists .I also condemn the Antifa types who's actions are reminiscent of the Taliban in their efforts to purge any cultural difference they don't agree with .

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Clete ;What you are witnessing here is the intolerance of the left . I condemn to Nazis ;KKK and other goonish untra-nationalists .I also condemn the Antifa types who's actions are reminiscent of the Taliban in their efforts to purge any cultural difference they don't agree with .

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tomder - get a grip. The Antifa are anti-fascists who are giving the Nazi crowd a taste of their own medicine. Would you prefer appeasement to fighting back?

What do you expect Tom when the duly elected president has spent two years spewing hate, and division, AND violence feeding his minions red meat? For every action there is an equal reaction, so enabling right wing loonies is what gives birth to the rise of left wing loonies whose mission statement is to forcefully confront "Nazis or fascists of any stripe".

Law enforcement is challenged to control both loony factions, but it would help if Trump would lead and not capitulate to his own loonies wouldn't it? Repubs quacked a bit but went along with it too. So here we are but let me be very clear that violence isn't the answer. This disaster should be laid at the feet of law enforcement who is charged with serve and protect. They did neither.

Only an idiot didn't see this coming and I hope the locals who give those permits learn from this and do better in the future.

The Antifa are left wing anarchists who use violence to achieve their goals . When they bullied in Berkeley were they 'giving the Nazi crowd a taste of their own medicine' ? No they were preventing the free and open exchange of ideas on a college campus. Their tactics are just as nazi-like thuggish as the Nazi's who were protesting the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee. No one has convinced me yet that it wasn't in fact Antifa that instigated the violence .You can cheer-lead their thuggery all you want to. I condemn both sides .

Factually they were protesting the free speech of a ultra conservative right wing Trump supporting talking head at Berkley. I get your point, violence and destruction of property is against the law, just as murder and mayhem, and terrorism by the alt right. That's why you cannot equate the two. I've seen wilder bar fights than the one in Charlottesville, and elevating the two groups to equal status is to minimize the role that Dufus plays in this mess, and plays right into the hands of White Nationalists.

It's right out of the ISIS playbook.

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No one has convinced me yet that it wasn't in fact Antifa that instigated the violence .You can cheer-lead their thuggery all you want to. I condemn both sides .

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And no one ever will convince you, since by your own words, you are clearly on the Nazi team. You condemn both sides, you say. What a crock! You are doing exactly what that idiot in the WH is doing - treating each faction as if they were two sides of the same coin. BULL****!

One side spews anti-semitic hatred, marches with KKK banners, chants Nazi slogans direct from Hitler, and MURDERS a woman. The other side reacts violently to this evil behavior, not seen since 1930s Germany, and you condemn "BOTH SIDES"?????

Do you not see the very OBVIOUS difference between the two sides? I think you do. I think you are hiding your true sympathies that favor the Nazis. Stop being such a coward and come right out and admit it.

again ;a conversation ender . Civilty recommended .But you do prove my point about the intolerant left .

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Intolerance in the face of anti-semitism, the Klan, and the Nazis is a virtue.

I find it interesting that one side gets the death and injuries and the other doesn't. What should we glean from that?

This is how the left hands victory to the alt-right: by labeling everyone a Nazi, then cheering violent leftists.

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This is how the left hands victory to the alt-right: by labeling everyone a Nazi, then cheering violent leftists.

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Not everyone is labeled a Nazi, just those who by word or deed reveal themselves to be supportive or to be the actual thing. I make no distinction between the two.

and I don't like the Taliban lefties . Tell you what ;the US Capitol was built with slave labor . Let's knock that down too. Let's knock down Mount Vernon and erase George Washington from the history books . Let's go to Gettysburg and smash all the Confederate monuments there also .

Tal you don't like the violence ? Where was your voice when Antifa was busting heads and vandalizing Berkley ?

The real story at Charlottesville was the cops and National Guard standing down when the violence erupted . But the reason for that is one of those inconvenient truths .(btw the ACLU Va confirmed that as fact )

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The real story at Charlottesville was the cops and National Guard standing down when the violence erupted . But the reason for that is one of those inconvenient truths .(btw the ACLU Va confirmed that as fact )

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NO. The real story at Charlottesville is the President of the United States NOT FORCEFULLY SPEAKING OUT against the anti-Semites, the Klan and the Nazis, and adding insult to injury he INCREDIBLY equates those evil derelicts with the people that fought them.

Besides the evil actions, all else PALES in comparison.

If anyone had any doubt, tomder, where your sympathies lie, your continued posts here make it more and more clear. The ACLU comment shows how truly desperate you are to distract the conversation away from Trump and his Nazis.

just the facts .... It was the Democrat mayor of Charlottesville ,and the Democrat Governor of the state who prevented the police force from providing adequate security for the protesters and the counter-protesters .ACLU fires back at Gov. McAuliffe after comments on violence at Charlottesville rally | WTVR.com

Why they didn't one can only speculate . If they were serious about providing security there would've been multiple layers of barriers between the groups .

They should arrest everyone who committed a violent act

A lot of leftists really love their ANTIFA terrorist brothers, and it's apparent here because there were no wholesome innocent parties involved in that violence, but the media and those on the left that love their ANTIFA terrorist brothers want you to believe otherwise.

Funny how the lame stream media left out the other two groups of human waste involved, foreign news didn't. Some anyway.

If you wanted to identify the Antifa thugs all you had to do was look for the black helmets and the Bane masks they wore (provided by Soros and co. ) The Nazis were the ones carrying Tiki lamps . What a pathetic display . I've changed my view . The cops should've allowed both sides to club each other until the last man standing ....then arrest him.

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If you wanted to identify the Antifa thugs all you had to do was look for the black helmets and the Bane masks they wore (provided by Soros and co. ) The Nazis were the ones carrying Tiki lamps . What a pathetic display . I've changed my view . The cops should've allowed both sides to club each other until the last man standing ....then arrest him.

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That seems to have been their general intention

American history is pretty nasty when you look at the facts of it. The founders lied when they wrote the constitution, and Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis committed treason. The nation was built on rape and plunder, in the most cruel ways. We still bear those scars today, some deeper than others, and the trauma from it, some more than others, yet it continues, no matter how civilized we pretend to be. No matter how far we say we have come. So don't ask me where was I, ask me where I am. That should be obvious since I am right next to you trying to survive all this senseless crap.

So don't ask me where I was when idiots did stupid stuff, because you know good and darn well I wasn't with him, so what difference does it make? I've never asked you where were you when they elected a racist, lying, cheating dufus as president have I? Why? Because it doesn't matter, he is HERE NOW! Just another dumb senseless thing to deal with.

Can't say I have survived worse at this point in time because Trump is the worse in my book. I didn't vote for the b@stard, and this wasn't the first time the guy I didn't vote for became the leader of the free world. This is the first time that I have been SCARED about what comes next because the last 8 months have been the most senseless pile of crap I have ever seen.

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The real story is they were prepared when the 30 Klansmen visited in July.

KKK Rally in Charlottesville: Protestors March in Virginia | Time.com

This one was way bigger.

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the last 8 months have been the most senseless pile of crap I have ever seen.
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Well that's what you get when you try to marry the eigthteenth century with modern realities

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Funny ,the only serious talk I hear about secession these days is coming out of California . Yes secession was treason then and now . From the Brit standpoint the founders were also treasonous .I guess you are consistent .You demonstrate the same hatred for the founders that you do for the traitors .

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Funny ,the only serious talk I hear about secession these days is coming out of California . Yes secession was treason then and now . From the Brit standpoint the founders were also treasonous .I guess you are consistent .You demonstrate the same hatred for the founders that you do for the traitors .

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How goes California, goes many others Tom, the whisper has even been heard as far away as the Great Southland

45.8% of the land in California is federally owned .I suppose if they were to give real value compensation for it then I would consider letting them leave. They should also give compensation for the water they get from other western states that they now get through compacts between the states .

Hello again,

All I know is that IF the Nazis, white supremacists, and the KKK WIN the race war they're trying to start, they'll surly kill me and my family... I'm not so worried about ANTIFA..

And yes, the Nazis have a right to march... But, I think my friend tom has mentioned that the Constitution ISN'T a suicide pact, and this is one time I agree.. So, while I might not like the strategy of ANTIFA, I sure hope they kick a lot of Nazi a$$.

excon

Ex ,Antifa (aka Antifaschistische Aktion 1932 Germany ) represents a different brand of the same tyranny . What makes you think you would be any safer under their kind of intolerance ? Look at what they did in Berkeley when Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to give an address on campus . Fine there were protests .But it turned violent when Antifa showed up .They set fires, damaged property to the tune of $100,000 in damage , threw fireworks, attacked members of the crowd, and threw rocks at the police. One Syrian was pepper sprayed and beaten with a rod by a goon who said "you look like a Nazi".

What is very similar to the Berkeley and Charlottesville incidents is that in both cases ,the cities are run by liberal mayors ;and in both cases it appears that the police were given stand down orders .

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Hello again, tom:

Cause ANTIFA hasn't demonstrated HATRED for Jews.

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Stop being so stubborn EX! Tom just longs for the good old days Trump has promised, when black people did as they were told by MASSA, and the Jews walked quietly and orderly to the furnace. Can't you just bend a knee and say HEIL TRUMP? Watch Tom he has it down pat!

you too ?

I bend no knee to Trump, the right, or the left. I do understand FEAR though, of change and survival, but the methods are what makes the difference, and that's why you think I am a bleeding heart liberal, because I will always callout what I think ain't a fair way to go about making adjustment that are required to KEEP my country great, and I ain't buying the idea that it needs to be great AGAIN.

I understand you are a capitalist, and against anything that stops you from making a dollar. I can respect that, to a point. You cross a line when you demand I bend the knee so you can pee on my head, and call it rain.

I am sure you're the same, we've been debating the issues a long time. Most times I feel ya, even when you exaggerate a bit, and see danger under your bed, and ignore the squeaky springs caused by your own restlessness, and FEAR!

How do you like the way the Boston cops handled the protest rally in their city? First rate in my book. That's what was missing in Charlottesville, and yes the fault belongs to the city government. Democrats I believe. They screwed it all up.

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With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

You old rocker!

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Nothings changed

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EXCEPT the VOLUME!! Crank it UP!

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The Boston cops did a decent job. They were hit with bottles of urine and pelted with rocks by the Antifa for their efforts . Apparently, as long as Taliban leftists label their victims “fascists,” they are free to set fires, smash windows and beat civilians bloody.They have carte blanche to physically assault anyone they disapprove of.....including an old lady carrying an American flag .

Back in June ,Bernie Sanders-supporter James Hodgkinson called the GOP “fascist” before he opened fire on GOP congressional reps critically injuring House Majority Whip Steve Scalise . So you see, he wasn’t trying to commit mass murder! He was just fighting “Nazis.”

Of course your spin of the rally is a bit exaggerated, a tendency most conservatives seem to share.

Boston 'Free Speech Rally' cut short as conservative activists leave counterprotesters behind | Fox News

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The tweet came just a few hours after dozens of rallygoers gathered at the historic Boston Common and were met with thousands of counterprotesters who had marched peacefully through downtown Boston.
Boston Police Department Commissioner William Evans said in late afternoon there had been 27 arrests, most for disorderly conduct, along with a few for assaulting police officer

He added there were few injuries and no significant property damage.

Organizers of the rally had publicly distanced themselves from the neo-Nazis, white supremacists and others whose “Unite the Right” march in Charlottesville turned deadly Aug. Only a few dozen conservatives turned out to the Boston rally, in stark contrast to the approximately 40,000 people who showed up to protest against racism and bigotry.

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Hodgekinson was a homicidal nut. Like that guy who shot Gabby Giffords.

It was peaceful because the police protected the free speech demonstrators from the mob. Read the last paragraph of this report .It is the m.o. of antifa to comingle with peaceful protesters and then assault and vandalize .
Boston cops hailed for keeping the peace | Boston Herald

They did the same assault on Portland police in June who were also enforcing barriers between rally goers and counter-protesters .