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Trump, in Silence, Grovels to the Support of the Nazis

The white nationalists, Nazis, KKK denizens and the alt-right united in Charlottesville Saturday killing one and injuring dozens as they attacked those counter-protesting against their evil. They wore their Make America Great Again caps and bore signs supporting Trump. Make no mistake - this is the core that Trump so dearly loves.

In response to this horrendous action, Trump gave the world woosy platitudes in his comment about the confrontation and the killing. Not once, NOT ONCE, did he call out the evildoers by naming them. The Nazis were vocal in their love for Gropenfuhrer Trump. And the Gropenfuhrer blew kisses to his Stormtroopers by his silence.

To see Trump promote a moral equivalence between good and evil in his comments has shocked even die-hard Republicans. Tens of millions died during WW2 fighting the very thing Trump has refused to condemn by name.

How much longer?

yup Trump should've named those involved in the violence ,the Nazi's the KKK denizens , the alt-righ..... Antifa;,BLM .Who told the police to stand down ?

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Law enforcement was on hand at the dueling demonstrations on Saturday, decked out in riot gear and looking prepared for the worst. Except they weren’t allowed to do their job. Police on the scene were reported to have been ordered to “not intervene until given command to do so,” according to the ACLU .That kept them from suppressing the numerous scuffles that broke out.
When police were ordered to disperse the alt-right rally, that act directed the white nationalists into the antifa demonstrators, leading to further street brawls. Police didn’t seem to try to get in between the two groups or suppress the fights.
As ProPublica reported , state police and National Guardsmen mostly stood aside and watched as the violence grew worse.
This appears to be a direct result of what appears to be a stand down order from higher-ups.

Were Police Held Back In Charlottesville? | The Daily Caller

After widespread pressure from all sides, Trump is forced to go before the cameras again and this time he names the hate groups who are responsible for the killing and injuring in Charlottesville.

Trouble is, he's a day late and a dollar short. Nobody is fooled.

and he failed to name Antifa or BLM ;both were mixing it up in Charlottesville also .

Yes he dropped the ball in a number of ways .Mostly he's allowing the left to define his base and he needlessly gave them a victory that they will use and exploit .

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Law enforcement was on hand at the dueling demonstrations on Saturday, decked out in riot gear and looking prepared for the worst. Except they weren’t allowed to do their job. Police on the scene were reported to have been ordered to “not intervene until given command to do so,” according to the ACLU .That kept them from suppressing the numerous scuffles that broke out.

Why this? Did the top order come out of the WH?

let's see now ;it was the local government in Charlottesville that decided to remove the Lee statue .....and the Governor of the State ,Democrat Terry McAuliffe who is the commander of the State National Guard . As far as I know there are no reports that Federal forces or law enforcement was involved .

This is what you need to know about Mayor Signer of Chalotteville .

http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Mayor-Mike-Signer-to-declare-Charlottesville-Capital-of-the-Resistance-412093663.html

A storm in a tea cup

In one of the strangest press conferences from Trump yet, he defended his initial mild response re Charlottesville by stating he wanted to have "all the facts" before specifically condemning "one side or the other".

Yeah, in case Nazi slogans, KKK signs, and killing a woman by running her down were really signs of love and peace.

4 CEOs resign from his business council. Trump personally attacks the black CEO. Twice the Feds sued him for denying apartments to African-Americans.

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Twice the Feds sued him for denying apartments to African-Americans.

The great expose', Trump is selective about who he rents to. In a country where racism abounds, someone found evidence of racism, it is the scoop of the century, no the millennium, So he has an attitude to women, he has an attitude to blacks, does any one believe he just has attitude? Anyone who is not Trump is a dill, right?

His attempt to equate the hate spewing racists with the people who stand up to them was despicable, disgusting, and indefensible, and not at all surprising given his known history as a liar, cheat, and racist. FACTS have no meaning to this Dufus, and we all knew ALL that before he was elected. The surprise is those that say NOTHING, and continue to support him. One wonders what else they need to shed their cowardice, and do the right thing and DUMP TRUMP!

Oh I can equate the Nazis with Antifa easily . Both use violence to support their intolerance . I'm not just talking about Charlotte .....they busted people up in Berkeley also to deny the ability to hear opposing views .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

The great expose', Trump is selective about who he rents to.

I don't know about your country, but in this country (the USA), there are laws against discrimination in housing based on the color of the applicant. What you call "selective", we call racist.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Oh I can equate the Nazis with Antifa easily . Both use violence to support their intolerance .

Of course, you can because you are an enabler of Trump and the Nazis. The Allied nations used violence to fight against Hitler's Nazis. Using your logic, they were equally to blame for the Nazi horrors.

It is time for you and others of your ilk to SPEAK OUT against Trump and his lackeys. To remain silent is to support and encourage the Nazi element in America.

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Originally Posted by Athos

To remain silent is to support and encourage the Nazi element in America.

And how do you not encourage the communist element in america?

Communism is not the cancer that racism is here Clete. You cannot equate the two.

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Originally Posted by Athos

I don't know about your country, but in this country (the USA), there are laws against discrimination in housing based on the color of the applicant. What you call "selective", we call racist.

Yes we have those laws too, but, you can set multiple criteria, past experience, ability to pay, number of occupants

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes we have those laws too, but, you can set multiple criteria, past experience, ability to pay, number of occupants

Trump's ONLY criteria for not renting to people of color was their color.

Trump turned away those that could pay because of their skin color, now what?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

And how do you not encourage the communist element in america?

When you have no coherent reply, just say something absurd. You must be reading The Art Of The Deal.

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Of course, you can because you are an enabler of Trump and the Nazis. The Allied nations used violence to fight against Hitler's Nazis. Using your logic, they were equally to blame for the Nazi horrors.

And you are making a false comparison . The Nazi's in Wiemar Germany were thugs who also battled against equally goonish communist thugs .

But I'll end this conversation with you at this point . Calling me a Nazi enabler is an unwelcome ad hominem insult .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Calling me a Nazi enabler is an unwelcome ad hominem insult .

It was intended to be an insult. I don't talk nice to Nazis. My mistake was including "enabler".

up yours . Go on report me !!!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

up yours . Go on report me !!!

Ah, the real you. I knew we'd see it sooner or later.

Report you? What for? You give too much importance to yourself.

BREAKING NEWS

Trumps CEO councils disbanded! The fallout continues even as the GOP, and darn near everyone is rebuking Trump position that is seen as defending the ALT right protestors. That's a good sign, but will Trump learn from his mistakes?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

BREAKING NEWS

Trumps CEO councils disbanded! The fallout continues even as the GOP, and darn near everyone is rebuking Trump position that is seen as defending the ALT right protestors. That's a good sign, but will Trump learn from his mistakes?

Trump disbanded them as soon as he realized that they were resigning en masse. The CEO group was a sham from the beginning. They were waiting for their first meeting which they never had, and the Charlottesville mess was the proverbial straw.

No, Trump won't learn. He's not capable of that. He'll resign first and blame everybody else.

We All know Athos loves, absolutely,LOVES terrorists, namely ANTIFA who were involved, and who started the violence, but they are leftists and as such have his adoration.

Besides Nazi stand for NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, in German. In what universe are Socialists anything but far left? You are supposedly so well "educated", how can you ignore that fact?

Tal ,advisory councils are for show. The CEOs joined because they could garner favors with cronyism . They left because the equation changed with Trump's pivot and re-pivots on his comments .But tell me what one of these advisory councils has ever accomplished in any administration. At most they meet a couple times in a couple of years and then publish a bogus report before they leave .

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Originally Posted by smoothy

We All know Athos loves, absolutely,LOVES terrorists, namely ANTIFA who were involved, and who started the violence, but they are leftists and as such have his adoration.

Besides Nazi stand for NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, in German. In what universe are Socialists anything but far left? You are supposedly so well "educated", how can you ignore that fact?

Antifa isn't as big or widespread as you guys make it, certainly not as big and widespread as your white supremist, and they are not one group but many, not all of them are radical, or violent.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Tal ,advisory councils are for show. The CEOs joined because they could garner favors with cronyism . They left because the equation changed with Trump's pivot and re-pivots on his comments .But tell me what one of these advisory councils has ever accomplished in any administration. At most they meet a couple times in a couple of years and then publish a bogus report before they leave .

I know that, but it still looks bad.

None of that justifies following the RACIST Dufus though and his lying a$$!

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Antifa isn't as big or widespread as you guys make it, certainly not as big and widespread as your white supremist, and they are not one group but many, not all of them are radical, or violent.

I know that, but it still looks bad.

None of that justifies following the RACIST Dufus though and his lying a$$!

Tal, get over it, the President doesn't like leftists, he respects history, brave men of all persuasions died to make your country, but what you have now is that a certain element wants to forget that. The notion that the south was defending slavery is as daft as the idea that Lincoln wanted to abolish it. Lincoln used emancipation as a political tool when it suited. The south was defending states rights, the idea that they were free within their own borders. Now Trump just might have that idea in mind as he fights off the alligators who are nipping at him and attack every word he says.

You don't like his policies, fine, you don't have to

Trump knows as much about American history as you do Clete, which is obviously NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Trump knows as much about American history as you do Clete, which is obviously NOTHING.

Now Tal don't tell me the US exercise of exporting its culture and history to the world has failed. I am well aware of some aspects of american history, I have read Lincoln's letters and am acquainted with your civil war. People in other parts of the world follow what goes on over there if for no other reason than every stupid idea that arises there will be tried out here. You have exported your civil rights struggle to our indigenous, our Constitution is modelled on yours, we suffer from your multinationalism, which has decimated our industries, and we are daily regaled with your politics as media gobbles up the circus

Our ideas are nothing new Clete as we struggle to achieve better outcomes of self governess, and it's a messy ONGOING process of implementation. Don't blame us for YOUR own problems though, and certainly don't just fall for the spin of self interested parties.

You are responsible for how you deal with your own world no matter what you see on TV. Seems if you have a better idea then you would have done it to solve your own problems by now, so I hope you keep learning until you do. I can only suggest Netflix and popcorn or some other form of enjoyment, if you are so tired and frustrated with our dominance or influence into your society, which is totally voluntary I might add.

Yes they have been hollering states rights to justify slavery since before the civil war, but any dufus can see they lost the argument and the war, but seem to want to perpetuate the myth to save face and ego or hide the fact they were just WRONG, to build a world of privilege on the backs of their fellow humans used for free labor, through the most cruelest of behavior with no regard for their humanity.
That's the big lie about THEIR culture and legacy they glorify, that is being exposed for what it really is.

It seems to me you would learn from their (OUR) folly and failure and do better and not just imitate them.

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Seems if you have a better idea then you would have done it to solve your own problems by now,

We have a lot of better ideas but no one listens to us, the not made here syndrome is strong in the US, our society works without rampant poverty and massive government debt. We are saddened by what we see is touted as leadership, yes, you did build your nation on the backs of the oppressed and those acts should not be glorified. We have an indigenous population who want this place returned to barbqarea despite the fact they are a small minority and they only had this idea watching your freedom marchers who had not thrown off the yoke of racism after a hundred years, but a survey suggests that even your own people are not in favour of taking down the statues, but you want to lambaste Trump for siding with public opinion.

Don't give in to mob rule or you will give in to a minority of trouble makers

You will have to show me that survey you speak of because my own readings and observations show differently. Forgive me if I just don't take your word for it, but your own obvious prejudices dampen your credibility in this regard. Comparing our own lawful democratic processes to mob rule is as ignorant as it gets Clete. Or maybe I have misunderstood your meaning as our languages are different.

Please elaborate.

You don't like Dump either so who are you fooling?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You don't like Dump either so who are you fooling?

Just because I don't like him doesn't mean he can't be right on some issues. You speak of democratic processes but it seems your government operates in the complete opposite of democratic processes. Your government operates with a building full of unelected officials appointed at the whim of your king/emperor and it has become like a revolving door.

By mob rule I mean operating to placate the mob on the street.

Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .

I feel sorry for you Tom and this nonsense has implications for us, The indigenous push to remove the national holiday, Australia Day, which commemorates the arrival of the First Fleet, will be emboldened. Already one Melbourne Council has the termedity to abolish it. We expect to to see statues of Cook and Phillip torn down and the red, yellow and black flag raised on high, towns will be renamed, and explorers denigrated, and the majority will wonder what is going on as parliament is smoked?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Just because I don't like him doesn't mean he can't be right on some issues. You speak of democratic processes but it seems your government operates in the complete opposite of democratic processes. Your government operates with a building full of unelected officials appointed at the whim of your king/emperor and it has become like a revolving door.

By mob rule I mean operating to placate the mob on the street.

You mean you guys elect the staffers of your government officials? Do you elect ambassadors too? You do know that we have 3 EQUAL branches of government don't you? The so called emperor/king has to contend with the legislature, AND judiciary branches of our government. Seems your ignorance of our history is matched by your ignorance of how our democratic process works. No wonder you are in a dither of how your own government ha preformed.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Clete recognizes the Taliban's left efforts to purge history . By the time they are finished the Jefferson Memorial will be knocked down .Already they want to remove a statue of Washington from a Chi-town park . Maybe they'll use mortars on Mt Rushmore like the Taliban did on the carvings of Budda at Bamiyan. Maybe they will remove half the memorials and statues at Gettysburg . This was all predictable . Long before they started this jihad they were at war against Christian symbols .

There you go with that false equivalence thinking Tom. You don't believe the locals have control over their own jurisdictions? Even your DUFUS demi god said they had that right, so why are you crying about it now? Have you forgotten our history Tom? That's exactly what we did to the Native Americans, AND the slaves we brought with us, so what makes you think what goes around wouldn't come back around? Confederate symbols are hardly Christian symbols, so why defend them since they represent those that went against our constitutionally established government? They did lose that insurrection if you remember, and despite that it's still illegal to destroy such symbols, and you still have a RIGHT to sue in a court of law if you feel like your rights have been violated.

So get a lawyer and quit crying. That's how the process your precious founders works, by the rule of law. That's what determines if statues, and flags, and religious symbols, can be kept or moved.

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No wonder you are in a dither of how your own government has preformed.

No more than in a dither as to how you think your government has performed.

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You mean you guys elect the staffers of your government officials?

Every ministerial position is held by an elected person, a member of the House or Senate, and those persons can be called to account on any sitting day. If they loose their seat they loose their job. There is a permanent public service which is expected to be apolitical so that the business of government can continue during transition. This means no lobbyist or unelected crony gets appointed to a ministerial position, while ministerial appointments might change, the member remains

Time to purge the name 'New York '. Yes ,New York was named after James Stuart ;the Duke of York who later became King James II of England and James VII of Scotland . He was one of the most successful slave traders in the colonies . During the Civil War many of the working class New Yorkers opposed waging war on the South and considered freed slaves as competitors . There were draft riots in NYC that had to be put down by Federal Troops . Clearly a "great" city in America should not have to live with the stain of being named after a slave trader . Go to work American Taliban and remove this blight and purge the name New York from our history !!