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  • Jul 30, 2017, 07:14 AM
    tomder55
    What's good for the goose..........................
    The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter on Thursday to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein requesting the appointment of a second special counsel .The letter posed some 14 different questions that the committee has asked at various points in the past but to this point remain unanswered related to the Clintoon Crime family and Evita's campaign ;the conduct of FBI Director James Comey ,and Att. Gen. Loretta Lynch in the investigations of the various illegal acts by Evita and her State Dept ;specifically the mishandling of classified information .They want to know more about the DNC's colluding with the Evita campaign to deny the Democrat nomination to Bernie Sanders. They also sought more information regarding the allegations that the Trump campaign had been surveilled by the emperor's regime , the “unmasking” of Trump campaign members and leaks of classified information to the media ;Comey's admitted leaks to the media ;and the FBI's reliance on the Steele dossier as a basis to continue it's investigation of Trump.

    All the questions posed are unanswered despite the efforts of the various Congressional committees to obtain the information from the stonewalling of the emperor's regime's key players .

    The letter cited Comey’s congressional testimony that Lynch pretty much ordered him to play down its Clinton probe.
    Days after Lynch met with Bubba Clintoon, Comey announced the investigation was closed and he would not recommend charges be brought against Evita for her use of an unsecured private e-mail server ,and the illegal handling of classified information while she was Sec State .

    Quote:

    We call on a newly appointed special counsel to investigate, consistent with appropriate regulations, the following questions, many of which were previously posed by this Committee and remain unanswered:

    1. Then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch directing Mr. Comey to mislead the American people on the nature of the Clinton investigation;
    2. The shadow cast over our system of justice concerning Secretary Clinton and her involvement in mishandling classified information;
    3. FBI and DOJ’s investigative decisions related to former Secretary Clinton’s email investigation, including the propriety and consequence of immunity deals given to potential Clinton co-conspirators Cheryl Mills, Heather Samuelson, John Bentel and possibly others;
    4. The apparent failure of DOJ to empanel a grand jury to investigate allegations of mishandling of classified information by Hillary Clinton and her associates;
    5. The Department of State and its employees’ involvement in determining which communications of Secretary Clinton’s and her associates to turn over for public scrutiny;
    6. WikiLeaks disclosures concerning the Clinton Foundation and its potentially unlawful international dealings;
    7. Connections between the Clinton campaign, or the Clinton Foundation, and foreign entities, including those from Russia and Ukraine;
    8. Mr. Comey’s knowledge of the purchase of Uranium One by the company Rosatom, whether the approval of the sale was connected to any donations made to the Clinton Foundation, and what role Secretary Clinton played in the approval of that sale that had national security ramifications;
    9. Disclosures arising from unlawful access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) computer systems, including inappropriate collusion between the DNC and the Clinton campaign to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign;
    10. Post-election accusations by the President that he was wiretapped by the previous Administration, and whether Mr. Comey and Ms. Lynch had any knowledge of efforts made by any federal agency to unlawfully monitor communications of then-candidate Trump or his associates;
    11. Selected leaks of classified information related to the unmasking of U.S. person identities incidentally collected upon by the intelligence community, including an assessment of whether anyone in the Obama Administration, including Mr. Comey, Ms. Lynch, Ms. Susan Rice, Ms. Samantha Power, or others, had any knowledge about the “unmasking” of individuals on then candidate-Trump’s campaign team, transition team, or both;
    12. Admitted leaks by Mr. Comey to Columbia University law professor, Daniel Richman, regarding conversations between Mr. Comey and President Trump, how the leaked information was purposefully released to lead to the appointment of a special counsel, and whether any classified information was included in the now infamous “Comey memos”;
    13. Mr. Comey’s and the FBI’s apparent reliance on “Fusion GPS” in its investigation of the Trump campaign, including the company’s creation of a “dossier” of information about Mr. Trump, that dossier’s commission and dissemination in the months before and after the 2016 election, whether the FBI paid anyone connected to the dossier, and the intelligence sources of Fusion GPS or any person or company working for Fusion GPS and its affiliates; and
    14. Any and all potential leaks originated by Mr. Comey and provide to author Michael Schmidt dating back to 1993.


    https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-conte...-to-AG-DAG.pdf
  • Jul 30, 2017, 07:51 AM
    smoothy
    Subpoena, everyone involved, put them under oath... and throw them in jail if and when they change stories. Scooter Libby went to jail for a single misquote during an investigation that ended with NO other crimes committed (The Valarie Plame based witch hunt where it came out it was her own husband who outed her).

    Why should ANYONE involved in this be treated any differently.
  • Jul 30, 2017, 10:07 AM
    excon
    Hello:

    Couple things..

    They LOST. Who gives a damn?

    Only banana republics put their previous leaders on trial.. I have NO idea WHY the right wing wants to DEGRADE my beloved country so..

    excon
  • Jul 30, 2017, 10:12 AM
    smoothy
    We listened to the Democrats Blaming Bush for EVERYTHING.. including stuff that didn't even happen when he was in office for 8 long years.
  • Jul 30, 2017, 11:41 AM
    talaniman
    We listened to YOU guys blame Obama for EVERYTHING and talk about him like a dog, and now you elected ANOTHER darn DUFUS you guys still ain't happy. Time to adjust your meds.

    Good thing you couldn't figure out how to REPEAL Obamacare yet because you really NEED it more than ever. .
  • Jul 30, 2017, 12:13 PM
    smoothy
    Obama actually DID the things he was accused of. Not made up unproven stuff like this Russian dead horse that you guys keep beating (decayed to a skeleton at this point).

    Trump is Einstein compared to Obummer. What exactly was Barrack such a success at OUTSIDE the political spectrum anyway?

    Politics takes being an accomplished LIAR to have a career in it...you have to actually be good at something to be a success in the real world.
  • Jul 30, 2017, 12:42 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    1. Only banana republics put their previous leaders on trial..

    Didn't realize there was a statute of limitations for misconduct while in office .

    But many of the issues involve Evita's campaign and the DNC ;as well as the emperor's administrations illegal use of the intelligence agencies to do domestic spying .
    I can't think of anything closer to a general warrant than what happened during the campaign . The Founding Fathers battled an 18th century version of the wholesale surveillance that the previous regime is accused of doing.("writs of assistance") It is the very reason why the 4th amendment was added to the Constitution. They used the flimsy premise of the fraudulent Trump dossier to obtain FISA warrants of Trump campaign staffers and possibly Trump himself .

    Besides ;many of the questions that the Committee is asking is for things that happened after the election. Mueller's investigation in particular stinks of a modern day writ of assistance. He reminds me of Stalin’s henchman, Lavrentiy Beria, who said to Stalin, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”
  • Jul 30, 2017, 03:48 PM
    talaniman
    Silly repubics! Sinking in their own swamp but hollering about last years news. 3 and a half YEARS to go with THIS disaster.
  • Jul 30, 2017, 05:33 PM
    tomder55
    Haaa ! and silly Dems have their Senate leader saying that the Dems are going to pick off Trump voters in the next cycle by running Trojan horse candidates like they did in 2008 ;and offering the latest version of unfunded promissory notes to those gullible rubes in the swing states . It is the Dems that are trying to pull off a 3rd world trick by staging a coup .
  • Jul 31, 2017, 04:48 AM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    All the questions posed are unanswered despite the efforts of the various Congressional committees to obtain the information from the stonewalling of the emperor's regime's key players

    Uh huh. Did it ever occur to anyone that these question HAVE been answered, just not the way Trump thinks they should be. But this is just Sessions trying to get back into Trump's good graces.

    Don't get me wrong, I think they should investigate, and when there is nothing to be found AGAIN, the next time Trump says Crooked Hillary she can sue him for libel.

    Several of those points are totally bogus. For example:
    1) the first time I ever heard it called a "matter" was from Comey's testimony. I don't think it makes a bit of difference what it was called. Unless she asked him (like Trump did) to go easy, there is nothing there.
    2) What shadow? She goofed, she admitted she goofed. Move on!
    8) So far there has been nothing but timing linking those contributions. There has been ZERO evidence that Clinton tried to influence any of the EIGHT other agencies to agree to the deal.
    10) These have been answered already
    12) This was answered in Comey's testimony. He advised the committee that he had a friend pass ONE of his personal e-mails to the Times to protect himself. No "leak" and no classified info.

    Talk about a fishing expedition and witch hunt! I also point out that the letter was signed by only Republican members and not even all of them!
  • Jul 31, 2017, 05:04 AM
    smoothy
    Hillary IS crocked and can't sue ANYONE for saying so. The only reason there wasn't an investigation into Hillary and Obama administration was the Obama Administration AG's blocked such investigations from even happening... but THAT is different... because they weren't Republicans..

    After All BenGhaziGate never happened...Election rigging by the Dems isn't Illegal for them to do...Handing thousands of Guns to help arm the Mexican Drug Cartels isn't illegal if you are a Democrat...and Mishandling Classified Documents isn't illegal if you are a Democrat.....

    And if you are a Democrat..(Hillary) you can LIE to congress over and over with no repercussions because well Democrats are Special....while people like Scooter Libby went to jail for ONE misquote during a witch hunt investigation that turned up NO crime occurred. Because well...Laws don't apply to Democrats. But do for anyone else.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 05:28 AM
    ScottGem
    I will remind you that Clinton has not received so much as an indictment. So stating has a fact that she is crooked is libel.

    And your obvious bias against democrats has you continuing to make statements that are paranoid and inane as well as untrue.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 05:33 AM
    Athos
    14. Any and all potential leaks originated by Mr. Comey and provide to author Michael Schmidt dating back to 1993.

    This one is the funniest of all - why stop at 1993? Why not just go back to Mr. Comey's birth? You know, when he was born in Kenya?

    tomder, you never give up, do you? These are beyond silly. I really thought you could do better than this.

    I understand it gets harder and harder to distract from Trump as he gets more and more strange. Especially his promoting police brutality - not an easy one to get around, is it? Then there's his support of campus rape. But that fits right in with his publicly expressed attitude toward women.

    There's more, lots more, but that will have to do for now.

    Please get current and read the papers to see how Trump steps daily closer to the end of his weird presidency. Hillary is old news.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 05:46 AM
    talaniman
    Repubics have yet to accept they have the state and federal governments under their legislative control and can govern as they please... for now at least, as 2018 looms large.

    Will the pendulum swing back to the dems, while they are stuck on the last election?
  • Jul 31, 2017, 06:03 AM
    ScottGem
    Don't blame Tomder for this. It was the Republican members of the House Judiciary committee (and not all of them) who signed this silliness and put together that list.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 06:55 AM
    tomder55
    Thanks Scott . Athos frequently calls my comments irrelevant or dated even if is is news that happened within a day that I mentioned it .
    Quote:

    the first time I ever heard it called a "matter" was from Comey's testimony. I don't think it makes a bit of difference what it was called. Unless she asked him (like Trump did) to go easy, there is nothing there.
    The fact is that the Hillary investigation was being called an investigation until Lynch ordered him to change his language .

    Quote:

    What shadow? She goofed, she admitted she goofed. Move on!
    Petraus Mishandled classified information and he was charged . Not only did she mishandle classified information ;she also set up a server against the law ,and destroyed evidence ;obstructed justice . That was much more than 'oooops .... My bad '.
    Quote:

    So far there has been nothing but timing linking those contributions. There has been ZERO evidence that Clinton tried to influence any of the EIGHT other agencies to agree to the deal.
    Which is why that begged for a Congressional investigation to clear it up . But since they have been stonewalled in their pursuit ,they have recommended an independent investigation.

    Quote:

    These have been answered already
    correct ;we already know that unmasking was done in violation of FISA law and 4th amendment protections .

    Quote:

    This was answered in Comey's testimony. He advised the committee that he had a friend pass ONE of his personal e-mails to the Times to protect himself. No "leak" and no classified info.
    No we do not know the complete content of the leaked memo so we don't know if any classified information was leaked by Comey .

    Quote:

    This one is the funniest of all - why stop at 1993? Why not just go back to Mr. Comey's birth? You know, when he was born in Kenya?
    That was the silliest comment in this thread . Simply stated ;if Comey passed information to ex-U.S. attorney, later identified as Columbia University Prof. Daniel Richman, this time for the purpose of it being published in the Times then why should we believe that this was the first time Comey used him as a middle man to leak to the press ? Richman is mentioned in 151 results in a New York Times search dating back to 1993, with 11 of those articles also featuring Comey and six of them being authored by Michael S. Schmidt – who later wrote the “Comey memos” story which Comey told Congress he directed Richman to leak. That is why 1993 was the date chosen.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 07:50 AM
    paraclete
    Why is this still being debated?
  • Jul 31, 2017, 08:03 AM
    ScottGem
    First, I'm a facts guy. I call the facts out no matter who gets them wrong.

    And again, I don't recall it ever referred to as a matter. Nor does what it was called matter, it's the extent of the investigation that matters.

    Sorry, I believe Comey when he said she was careless, not criminal.

    Who has been stonewalling? I don't see proof of that. I cannot imagine that of 8 different agencies that had to approve the deal, if Clinton had tried to influence them it wouldn't have come out.

    Do we? From what I recall, the process of unmasking is very stringent. I remember Rice denying any unmasking outside of procedures.

    Seriously? Comey specifically stated that the ONE e-mail he passed to his friend was specifically composed to not include classified info.

    Again, the letter coming from only half the committee and all Republicans is nothing more than a fishing expedition. It uses innuendo and false premises in a real witch hunt. It's got Trump's heavy handed thumbprint all over it. If Trump wants this investigation then just tell Sessions to start it.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 08:24 AM
    talaniman
    Hillary has been investigated for how many years? Give it a rest! If she was indeed guilty of something the right wing noise machine would have more than just talking points, noise, and allegations, and conspiracy theories. Now Trump and his minions are just getting started on some serious vetting. He either survives the scrutiny, or he doesn't.

    What is he afraid of? Repubs should govern RESPONSIBLY, like they said Obama and the dems did NOT. Is that too much to expect? Boy are they off to a great start, hope they get it together.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 09:51 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Blaming Bush for EVERYTHING.. including stuff that didn't even happen when he was in office for 8 long years.

    Hello smoothy:

    BLAMING is NOT the same as PROSECUTING.. Dude!

    excon
  • Jul 31, 2017, 10:05 AM
    smoothy
    How about giving Trump a break... Hillary actually broke laws a lot of other people went to jail for. Some STILL in jail for. Why exactly do you guys feel SHE is special and above the laws that the rest of us are legally bound to follow?

    But then.. why let FACTS get in the way of stopping the Liberal lynch mob.

    excon With the retards Holder and Lynch out....we CAN finally go after what they were protecting and covering up. Then let the prosecutions start..
  • Jul 31, 2017, 10:10 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    How about giving Trump a break...

    A break from WHAT? He's his own worst enemy!
  • Jul 31, 2017, 10:42 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    A break from WHAT? He's his own worst enemy!

    The incessant libel and slander for one.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 10:53 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The incessant libel and slander for one.

    Because of what he says....? and that's all okay with you?
  • Jul 31, 2017, 11:53 AM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The incessant libel and slander for one.

    Please prove to me that Trump has been libeled or slandered in any way. I've seen absolutely nothing said or written about Trump that qualifies as that.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 12:51 PM
    Athos
    Kelly vs. Scaramucci. Guess who won?

    The Marines have landed and pushed that thug back to Long Island where he belongs.

    Another chapter in the ongoing dysfunctional soap opera that is Trump's White House.

    Stay tuned.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 01:43 PM
    tomder55
    Scott ;Here is Comey's testimony in June to the Senate Intel Committee :

    "At one point the attorney general directed me not to call it an 'investigation' but instead to call it a 'matter,' which confused me and concerned me," "That was one of the bricks in the load that lead me to conclude I have to step away from the (Justice) department if we are to close this case credibly."
    "We had a criminal investigation open at the time, so that gave me a queasy feeling,"
    Comey: Lynch asked for Clinton investigation to be called a 'matter' - CNNPolitics.com
  • Jul 31, 2017, 01:53 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    1. Kelly vs. Scaramucci. Guess who won?

      The Marines have landed and pushed that thug back to Long Island where he belongs.

      Another chapter in the ongoing dysfunctional soap opera that is Trump's White House.

      Stay tuned.

    The Mooch had to go . Trump thought he could run the WH like he does his businesses with an open door to all his staffers . But the WH cannot be run like a business. The President's time has got to be budgeted . I think Kelly will be an excellent Chief of Staff who will structure the WH operations well for as long as he lasts .
  • Jul 31, 2017, 03:09 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Scott ;Here is Comey's testimony in June to the Senate Intel Committee :

    "At one point the attorney general directed me not to call it an 'investigation' but instead to call it a 'matter,' which confused me and concerned me," "That was one of the bricks in the load that lead me to conclude I have to step away from the (Justice) department if we are to close this case credibly."
    "We had a criminal investigation open at the time, so that gave me a queasy feeling,"
    Comey: Lynch asked for Clinton investigation to be called a 'matter' - CNNPolitics.com

    Not only is this a semantic difference, but the criminal investigation is CLOSED. That's what I didn't like about Comey was how he handled things during the election especially given there were no finding of criminal activity. Of course the need for political discreetness escaped him, since in my mind this should have not been made public until or unless there was a criminal finding.

    Even now I would afford Trump the same courtesy if the Dufus would just stay out of the public with his defensive/offensive tweets, words, and actions. I mean he couldn't try any harder to look guilty of something if he robbed a bank in broad daylight.

    Hmmm, maybe we should make sure he never has on second thought.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 03:16 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottGem View Post
    Please prove to me that Trump has been libeled or slandered in any way. I've seen absolutely nothing said or written about Trump that qualifies as that.

    Every single thing the lunatic fringe on the left has accused him of since before the election. NONE of it has been proven yet. PROVE he has had any collusion with the Russians that the Democrats themselves haven't had MORE of.

    But then... the left feels Trump is guilty until proven innocent... and Hillary and Obama aren't even guilty AFTER they admit to something.

    Its Slander and Libel UNTIL you prove he did it... and he hasn't even been charged of it much less Convicted. Or does that simple fact not matter at all? There has been ZERO proof of ANYTHING presented yet, besides the "words" of someone with Ties to the Democrat party, or George Soros.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 03:44 PM
    JMAttero
    Simply because we are a nation of laws and no one is above the law. Otherwise we ARE a banana republic!

    Sent from my LG-D415 using Tapatalk
  • Jul 31, 2017, 03:59 PM
    smoothy
    Legally you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty in a court of law... until then claiming someone did something is libel and slander depending on the method spread... as well as defamation.

    Let the neighbor down the street accuse you of being a pedophile that molests kids in the neighborhood. Would you or would you NOT have recourse against them? Same deal. The sore losers on the left haven't proven ANY of it yet.

    Picking ONE, Hillary admitted to breaking the law numerous times with FileGate...she can and should face trial for that and lies to Congress (7 proven instances so far)....same stuff Scooter Libby served time for (one single instance). The laws apply to Democrats too.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 05:57 PM
    talaniman
    The FBI didn't refer charges to the Justice Department and closed the case. As in CASE CLOSED!
  • Jul 31, 2017, 06:02 PM
    talaniman
    As to Trump and his sycophants, they are innocent until proven guilty too, so until the case is closed, we keep digging through their crap. We already know they have been lying through their teeth.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 06:26 PM
    Athos
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  • Jul 31, 2017, 06:51 PM
    ScottGem
    Smoothy, just as I expected, you haven't offered one specific thing that proves he's been slandered or libeled. I'm not talking about individuals on social media mouthing off. I'm taking about responsible people speaking in public. I haven't seen anyone accusing Trump personally of collusion.

    So I challenge you again to produce one example of libel or slander.

    Tomder, I know what Comey said. Because he is an ethical and honest person (though not that competent) I can see why he might have felt "queasy" at Lynch's request. His admission actually reinforces the veracity of his other comments, specifically about Trump's actions. I just don't think the semantical difference amounts too much, especially since I don't recall seeing that term used at all.
  • Jul 31, 2017, 07:20 PM
    tomder55
    The point is ;how much pressure was used by Lynch to stonewall and obstruct the investigation?You have to admit it was quite a coincidence that Comey laid out the case against Evita before deciding to not recommend charges against her days after Lynch met with Bubba on the airport tarmac. Lynch's comments about the substance of the meeting were laughably false, with her claiming that she and Bubba only talked about personal family things, like golf and grandkids.Even Dianne Feinstein said that Lynch's actions should be investigated for possible obstruction of justice and political collusion .She recommended that the Judiciary committee investigate this aspect of the Evita scandal .
    Feinstein: Congress should probe whether Lynch provided cover for Clinton - POLITICO

    That raises the larger question . What did the emperor know and when did he know it ? It was no coincidence that the emperor and Evita flew together in Air Force One for a campaign event in North Carolina the day before the Comey press conference clearing her . Would the emperor have allowed her to use the implied endorsement of the Presidency had he had any doubt about the possibility that Comey would recommend charges ? No WAY !
  • Aug 1, 2017, 03:22 AM
    ScottGem
    Tomder First, when refer to Obama and Clinton as Emperor and Evita, you turn me off. You want to post your opinion and facts to support them, fine. But things like that just show unreasoning bias. Second, Whatever did happen on that tarmac, unless Bill Clinton or Lynch admit anything other than what they have already said, further investigation will get nowhere. No one has shown that their being at the same place at the same time was planned.
  • Aug 1, 2017, 04:42 AM
    talaniman
    If repubs and Trump would take a page from the Clintons and dems maybe they would actually accomplish something now that they have power, instead of digging rabbit holes to hide in. Seems logical that Trump would do more than throw red meat at the fringe base, and tweet against his own divided lawmakers, AND staff, to buffer himself against the dems onslaught which is nothing more than what the repubs did for 8 solid years against Obama.

    Of course I'm enjoying watching the feckless repubs and the clumsy Dufus trying to govern against each other. Kudos to Mitch and Paul who obviously add to the chaos from the thrones of their own kingdoms, which the Orangeman has no clue how to unite because he is too busy talking loud and saying nothing. I have to admit while I enjoy the show, it's a very sad one to watch because it's a reflection on all of us that we elected this clown and his cohorts.
  • Aug 1, 2017, 01:34 PM
    tomder55
    tal calling herr Donald "dufus " turns me off. As we all know Bush Jr was officially designated the title "dufus" .

    Scott the timeline of the "chance meeting " and the events that transpired are worthy of further investigation IMO; and in the opinion of the majority of the Senate Intel Committee .

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