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And, they DID it with the right wing's help. WHEN did right wingers fall in LOVE with Russia?? I missed it.. WE'RE going down the tubes, America.. We gotta ACT, and ACT NOW!!!!!
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Hello:
And, they DID it with the right wing's help. WHEN did right wingers fall in LOVE with Russia?? I missed it.. WE'RE going down the tubes, America.. We gotta ACT, and ACT NOW!!!!!
excon
Yet another false flag by the left... ZERO proof it ever happened... while there IS lots of proof from the DNC and Hillary's own emails that the DNC was actively cheating thanks to Wikileaks.
Apparently the DNC's cheating efforts have been so massive they can't believe someone else actually still won.
Let's see, the CIA - oh yeah; the guys that said Saddam had WMDs, then said he never had any right after the 101st captured them.
You don't get out of your bubble much do you Smoothy? The question isn't who won any longer, but who supplied Wikileaks with secret info? Of course I figured you would never wonder why the RNC was never hacked, or more accurately why any information was ever released like they did the DNC?
The bad part would be not to look into this a lot deeper, and dismiss it as partisan politics. You would be the first one screaming at the moon if the shoe was on the other foot! You do know which shoe to put on the right foot don't you?
Hello cats:
The people who ran the agencies back then are NOT the same people running them now.. Do you NOT know that?? Citing how it USED to be WAYYYYY back in ancient history, DOESN'T change what's happening today..
But, I get that you just don't wanna engage. Is that because you don't grasp the issues, or you'd rather be a smartass?
excon
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/201...-agencies-say/Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
There are 17 different intelligience agencies in the US governmentQuote:
In briefings to the White House and Congress, intelligence officials, including those from the CIA and the National Security Agency, have identified individual Russian officials they believe were responsible. But none have been publicly penalized
17 Agencies of the US Intelligence Community - Business Insider
Let see now . Evita ignored it while Russia invaded it's neighbors . She sold them 25% of the US uranium supply . So they rigged the election against her ?
Russia has been interfering in western elections since I was a kid . The CIA just woke up to that reality now ? I guess they missed it when Debbie Wasserman Schultz rigged the Democrat primaries.
Here is a reality check . Evita lost the election when the emperor tried to end oil jobs ,and Bernie said he'd shut down trucker jobs ,and Evita said she'd shut down coal jobs and on and on...... If she was so concerned about winning then why did she stop showing up in rust belt states ? Why did she not show up on campus like the emperor did in 2 campaigns ?
Yes ,the Russians rigged the election so Trump could appoint all those hardline Generals to national security positions . I get it .
Then again ;Trump just nominated Rex Tillerson ,CEO of Exxon Mobile for Sec State ??????????? Trump says that Tillerson has done a lot of business in Russia.....hmmm .
Hey ;remember when you all mocked Romney for calling Russia the greatest strategic threat to the US ? I remember .
Tal, I get out of my bubble... its already known who hacked those accounts and handed that over to Wikileaks... it wasn't the Russians like the Dems WERE claiming the last couple months, it wasn't the CIA like they are trying to claim now... it was American Hackers who admitted to it... doesn't take too much digging to get that info Tal. I've known that for over a month. And I know a lot of people knew it before me.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Give me a link to verify your assertions that can objectively hold more credibility than 17 agencies of the US government.
If you can't lift the hammer, I will understand!
How about giving me some proof it was that was NOT supplied by the same fake news sources that were campaigning for Hillary and Obama before her... and bashing Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Because NO source that was Pro-Hillary and anti-Trump is credible. Their Bias is clear and indisputable.
And 17 agencies of the Federal government made this claim? really now...I've Dealt with every Agency in this government for over 30 years and I know which ones do exactly what...if 17 are making this claim THAT alone should prove 16 of them should be closed because of overlap and replication because only 4 even remotely have that capability and three of those are allowed to operate within the US borders under the law..all 4 do operate outside of its borders.
Do that and I will present mine.
Hello again,
Lemme see, Manafort was seen back at Trump Tower. He's back in business. He's a VERY good friend of the Russians. Rex Tillerson, our new Secretary of State, is VERY good friends with the Russians. He wants to make MONEY with them.. 17 intelligence agencies SAID the Russians hacked the Democrats computer, but Trump said it was some fat kid. All this while Trump, himself, is having a public bromance with Putin..
Looks to me like Trump is a REAL LIFE Manchurian Candidate..
excon
Hello, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Are you in 4th grade??
excon
Are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I haven't seen any proof from an impartial source that it WAS the Russians yet... so why should I be bothered to prove it was American Hackers which was NOT a secret as THAT was in the news last month. Just not on CNN.
Gotta give Trump credit .All those small business startups like Goldman Sachs and Exxon Mobil will finally have a say in the government .
just got an update from the Trump transition team . They are saying there will not be an announcement about Sec State until next week. This could all be a trial balloon ...or some more fake news .
What do you consider an impartial news source?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Spasiba
Were any of the Podesta emails proven false or fabricated ? Nope . All the Russian hacking revealed was the truth about Evita ,the DNC, and MSM collusion and corruption.
Very helpful those Russians, no doubt aided by a certain ex-pat resident in Russia
Hello again, tom:
What?? You don't think Republicans have embarrassing truths??? Why weren't any of them revealed?? It's cause the fix was in..
excon
Ex the whole campaign was one truth after another revealed about Trump .Some of them were very disturbing and disgusting . That was the MSM doing their job.
What you should ask is why was it that the only embarrassing truths revealed about the Dem campaign occurred through hacked leaks ?
Tom I thought the whole campaign was one lie revealed after another but then you are closer to the action than I
again there is a disconnect between our intelligence and investigative agencies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us...=tw-share&_r=1
This "Russian connections " is going to be the Dem meme equivalent of "Bush stole the election" . They refuse to look in the mirror and admit that they lost because working class American turned their backs on a party that increasingly turns their backs on them in favor of wacko environmentalism and over regulation .Since we are floating Manchurian Candidate conspiracy theories ;how about a few pages of '7 Days in May' .This soft coup d'état attempt could just as easily be a coup by the intel agencies and the emperor to influence the outcome of the electoral college vote to install an administration that will go along with the emperor's plans to wage a cold or hot war against Moscow .
I wouldn't worry about what the dems do, since they are way out of power at every level, it's repubs who have the burden to deliver now.
Trump made promises and he better keep them in a big way and quickly, or face the wrath of his own making, and to be fair, no doubt repubs in congress will TRY to push their own very conservative agenda, but again with all the power, repubs better deliver if they intend to KEEP that power.
The pendulum can swing left as fast as it swung to the right, and we have seen that happen when people get angry they are screwed with or left out of the pie. My advice for Trump AND the congress is they better appease those white blue collar voters who got 'em there PDQ. Let's see how repubs manage that!
PLACE YOUR BETS FOLKS!!
Hello again,
To put a period on what Tal said, I'm not living under the illusion that ANYTHING will be reversed, and I'm NOT sniveling. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean I have to be quiet. In fact, it's EASIER to be on the OFFENSE rather than DEFENSE..
Watch this space.
excon
yep ;saw it in 2006-2008 .Quote:
The pendulum can swing left as fast as it swung to the right,
Don't worry, kids. The new Ministry of Truth (It won't be called that) will take care of them Russkies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counte...nformation_Act
What I find interesting is that the Trump team seems to be circling the wagons. I've seen several quotes from the team denying the CIA report's conclusions. But I don't believe that any have seen the report since the CIA has only given a broad overview to a few Senators. When Comey first revealed the existence of the Weiner e-mails, Hillary's reaction was to ask they all be reviewed and investigated. She stated she didn't believe their review would change anything. So why isn't the Trump team doing the same thing? If the CIA report is correct it will not reverse the election. But is should affect US-Russia relations, And if a foreign government was interfering with an US election then it should affect those relations.
The only reason this could affect the results of the election is if it was found that members of the Trump team were aware of it. In that case, charges of treason may be applicable.
Scott , agree.
Trump should sign on to the joint investigation that McCain and Schumer have proposed. Maybe if he was reading or attending the daily intel briefings he'd get some insight .
Another thing that should be looked at is the contradictory conclusions that the CIA and FBI came up with.
The big coup is that everyone is arguing about Russian influence and the CIA is once aging discredited
I read an interview where he explained why he was skipping the daily briefings and it did make sense. He said that the briefings were very repetitive and that he didn't need to go over the same stuff every day. He said if anything changed or was important they could get to him at a moment's notice. If what he said about the briefings is accurate, I can understand his point. He also said that Pence was attending the dailies as a backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He also said he felt he was too smart to be have to go through this. In my opinion its just the opposite, that his brain can only handle so much so he doesn't want to burden it with information overload.
The only contradiction between the CIA and FBI is the motives for the hacking, but they both agree on who did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Funny how the Dems who have been arguing HOW many years that Saddam never had the WMD the CIA claimed he had... (which ultimately we proved he did have), suddenly decide to do a 180 and absolutely believe this so called claim Russia did it ( and I seriously doubt the validity from any of the talking heads who claim this because they also blindly supported Hillary despite even her own admission of guilt).
And I haven't seen where the FBI actually agrees with the source. But there is no doubt that people driving this in both of those agencies are Obama appointees who have a vested interest in keeping their own jobs beyond next month... even if such claims are nothing more than a "Hail Marry pass" given they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of being reappointed.
I suspect his problem is one of focus. His attention is all over the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
And yet its OWEbama who brought more big brother Government Overlording and micromanagement from the government via excessive overbearing regulations than ANY Previous Republican Administration.And the Pendulum has already swung as far left as it can possibly go it has nowhere left to go but back where it should have always been. The Democrat party has been the party for ever Bigger government for decades now...not smaller government.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
George Orwells 1984 is knocking on the door....and has the Democrat party to thank for that.
What I consider is an impartial news source is one that doesn't actively campaign on behalf of a certain candidate by ignoring negative stories while making up ones for the other. And worse.. conspire with one party to rig "Debates" by feeding one side the questions in advance and having that same side write other questions. Basically if they push their opinions devoid of facts backing them... they aren't impartial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We are both old enough to remember when that might have actually existed ( I say MIGHT because it was long before I learned from first hand experience what is reported is someones opinion of what happened, not someone presenting the facts about what happened). But its been a long long time since it ended if in fact it ever did exist.
And names of such are....?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Oh, like infowars.com.
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.
excon
Don't you think such a site exists? All news outlets are biased one way or another with most biased to the leftQuote:
What I consider is an impartial news source is one that doesn't actively campaign on behalf of a certain candidate
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