I saw some people post the most horrific, racist things, sometimes even lies about refugees on their Facebooks.

Because I know those people, I thought that saying nothing would be wrong. So I just pointed out the inconsistenties and never called them racist or anything, but all that that led to, was that they unfriended me.

I don't regret that, I don't want to be friends with racist people, but I would prefer to reach out to them in an effective way, because I am really afraid that the things they post can lead to violence against refugees, especially now that they unfriended me for pointing out the inconsistencies.

What is the best way to deal with this problem?

You can't, it would have to be on an international level and since you are not in that category it would be an impossibility unless you keep hammering at it in social media.

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You can't, it would have to be on an international level and since you are not in that category it would be an impossibility unless you keep hammering at it in social media.

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Thank you. I already thought so, but I needed the assurance. You can't hammer anymore if someone unfriends you. I just hope that my former Facebook friends aren't the ones vandalising places where refugees arrive.

Refugee is a very misused term these days. Illegal immigrant is the correct term in most cases, very few are actually refugees. And having seen first hand what has been happening in Europe and the crimes many of these people are committing. A lot of things being said about them are absolutely true. But since I haven't heard what was being said by the people you know...I can't comment on that.

The issue is at this point in Europe and other places, who and what is going to happen. Are you willing to pay another 10 percent in taxes, so that the government can give them free money, free housing, free medical care for years and years?

How ( if ever) will their immigration be handled, what proof of identity, proof of criminal history will they provide.

We have refugee centers about 200 miles from my house with about 20,000 or more people in it. The process and cost of this effort is unbelievable.

And many of them bring some of the same and names to themselves. Groups that do not want to go to some countries, because they offer less welfare, or because they can not gain citizenship easily.

Also, the term "racist" is used too often when there is no real defense against what is being said.

I was called racist because as a police officer, I arrested 80 percent blacks. (I worked in a black community that was 99 percent black, even finding a white person to arrest was amazing)

I am called racist because I think any and all people coming into a country should be by legal channels, Esp America is a nation of law,

I am called racist because I think people that come into a new nation should assimilate into culture. (America was called a melting pot, not a nation of many pots) As a person who has moved to a new nation, I have to learn the language, except for driving test and immigration offices, there is no English in government offices here. So I have to adapt to language, customs and more.

Fear of terrorism. Call me racist again, but most Americans, (and many in Europe) do not live in the knowledge of the 100's, if not 1000's of terrorist attacks (both those that happen, and those stopped) that happen each month. Here, I live in a city that a couple years ago, had a mass murder at our train station, where a suicide bomber was only about 10 feet from me, when police jumped him last year. So if I happen to be more concerned over a certain type of person? That is know to do these attacks, is that racist or realistic?

I have been caLied racist because I don't like our president or what he stands for. I felt the same thing about Clinton, but I wasn't called racist because he was white.

Be careful when you are labeling someone.

I live in Europe, 2 km from a refugee center, that used to be a hospital. Our taxes won't be raised 10% because of the refugees! And they are not goldseekers. There really is a war going on.


Someone posted that Europeans are becoming homeless because they are building new refugeecenters. That is a lie. Nobody is being evicted for refugees.Of course are there criminals among the refugees, you have them everywhere There might even be terrorists among them. But I don't want to have the poor innocent people to suffer from the bad apples in between them.

The issue will be how many, and if an economy can handle the number. And if the homeless and needy people of that area are being cared for first.

In the US for example, there is great hate, that the American Veteran is not getting very good care, while plans for funding of refugee centers are being done. And yes, taxes will have to be raised at some point if 100's of thousands of refugees are bought in.

We barely have any homeless here, because of our good social security system. I live of disability myself and rent my own apartment with rentcontrol and I get an allowance for my rent and for my health insurance. We have nothing to complain about.

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I live in Europe, 2 km from a refugee center, that used to be a hospital. Our taxes won't be raised 10% because of the refugees! And they are not goldseekers. There really is a war going on.


Someone posted that Europeans are becoming homeless because they are building new refugeecenters. That is a lie. Nobody is being evicted for refugees.Of course are there criminals among the refugees, you have them everywhere There might even be terrorists among them. But I don't want to have the poor innocent people to suffer from the bad apples in between them.

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People in Germany ARE in fact being evicted from their homes to make room for the "illegals" . Most of whom are on the move for economic reasons... not because of a war. And yes taxes WILL be raised on people who work to pay for them. No European country has extra money to throw around and housing and feeding them is not free. Most will never work... most will leach off the taxpayers.

People in Italy can not afford these illegals...they don't even have jobs for their own citizens. Except for the communists who want their votes...nobody else there wants them. The crime rate has skyrocketed since they came illegally..Its no longer safe to even leave my motorcycle chained up outside overnight. Before they came I never had to chain it up at all. I have to have my inlaws check my property there daily now...instead of dropping by every few weeks.

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People in Germany ARE in fact being evicted from their homes to make room for the "illegals" . Most of whom are on the move for economic reasons... not because of a war. And yes taxes WILL be raised on people who work to pay for them. No European country has extra money to throw around and housing and feeding them is not free. Most will never work... most will leach off the taxpayers.

People in Italy can not afford these illegals...they don't even have jobs for their own citizens. Except for the communists who want their votes...nobody else there wants them. The crime rate has skyrocketed since they came illegally..Its no longer safe to even leave my motorcycle chained up outside overnight. Before they came I never had to chain it up at all. I have to have my inlaws check my property there daily now...instead of dropping by every few weeks.

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Well, I live in The Netherlands, nobody got evicted here and there was a meme posted that Dutch people were evicted, that isn't the truth.

Yes, among the refugees, are unfortunately also criminals, just like there are Dutch criminals. But as soon as you break the law, you don't get a visa anymore. People without a visa, don't get anything from the government: no house, no money, no healthcare. That is the part that worries me: they should really put the criminals back on a plane. I don't care that they go back to an area where it is dangerous, if you make the safe country where I live less safe.

But some people act as if every single refugee is a criminal.

A lot of them do get jobs. I dated to former refugees, one from Angola and one from Guinee, both have jobs. I know a lot of refugees, from Burkina Faso, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Cameroun, they all have jobs! So the fact that most of them will never work, is a straight out lie.

In fact if you get up really early or you party all night and you go home, the guys that are delivering the early morning newspapers, are only former refugees, the Dutch people, including me, are too spoiled for a job like that. If you go to Schiphol (our international airport), all the cleaners are former refugees, the Dutch are too spoiled to clean the airport.

If you go into the kitchens of the restaurants, you see a lot of former refugees preparing the food. If you watch the movie Samba, you see an accurate depiction of how refugees live. It is set in Paris, but I recognised a lot that is also reality in The Netherlands. The guy that I dated from Guinee even looks like Omar Sy.

I work as a volunteer at a gym, in an effort to prepare myself for a real job again. Our cleaning lady is also a volunteer, from Somalia. I don't want to be a cleaning lady. My first job was as a cleaning lady and I sucked at it, I can't work as fast as they wanted me to, I am clumsy and I am not soothed for physical labour.

Fortunately, I am born and raised here and even have a bachelor degree, so I will probably find a deskjob or something that will pay better.

Being as your current wave of refugees is from a war without uniforms, can you tell the difference between a refugee and an infiltrator? Infiltration and human wave attacks have been quite successful strategies in that part of the world for several millennia.

From what I understand, the majority of these refugees are youngish males (teen to 40ish) who are looking for economic opportunities, not safety from war. (So why aren't they fighting for this in and for their own countries?) Even the families supposedly are looking for economic improvement, not for a haven from war. The European countries don't have the resources and jobs for tens of thousands of these immigrants.

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Being as your current wave of refugees is from a war without uniforms, can you tell the difference between a refugee and an infiltrator? Infiltration and human wave attacks have been quite successful strategies in that part of the world for several millennia.

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No, I can't tell the difference. But what do you mean with an infiltrator? No refugee can pass as a Dutch person, because they can't speak perfect Dutch without an accent. They will always be different from the people that were born here.

Do you mean terrorism with human wave attacks? I am unfamilliar with those words. In case that is what you mean: That is why the authorities should do their job of sortening them out very thoroughly. But we are talking about people here. What are you suggesting? That we should let all those people just perish, because there might be terrorists among them?

War can occur anywhere and if I ever have to flee my home, I hope that there is a place for me to run. So I am treating these refugees the same way that I would wanted to be treated: as a human first and as a risk second.

I am from and in the USA.. I also spend a significant time and have ties in Italy... family and property... and have for 25 years. And unlike any of them...I actually have a right to Italian Citizenship.

Anyone that shows up in any country without a valid VISA or papers is a criminal.. or if they qualify as a tourist and overstay that... IS a criminal. It's a crime to be in ANY country without the legal right to be there.

The unemployment rate for EDUCATED Italian youth is exceptionally high... its even higher for those without a college degree. There aren't enough jobs for people who have a legal right to be in Italy... and Illegals are taking away some of those precious jobs from them.

Italy's economy is barely better than Portugal and Spain.. and they were barely above Greece and its obvious what is going on there. Get ready to be bailing them out soon as well, and paying dearly for it because you are one of the people by welcoming all the uneducated and unwashed people in that shouldn't be there. You WILL be paying for it...don't fool yourself into believing otherwise....you are now with your high taxes, which will be going higher.

And as was said... these are people of the age who SHOULD be fighting for their own country.. rather than running to and hiding in another country where they won't lift a finger to help either. And they aren't paying their way... a very few might be... most are collecting welfare that legal citizens can't get, free or subsidized housing actual citizens can't get because they are on a waiting list these illegals never had to wait in. If they won't lift a finger or take the risk to make their own country better.. they certainly won't do it for someone else's country they think they have the right to go to simply because they decide to.

And want to see what is in store for much of Europe? You need no look any further than your own news. Look what's happened within the Muslim communities in Great Britain and France... with all the rioting and crimes committed... and the complete lack of assimilation by the same group. In fact they refuse to assimilate.

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From what I understand, the majority of these refugees are youngish males (teen to 40ish) who are looking for economic opportunities, not safety from war. (So why aren't they fighting for this in and for their own countries?) Even the families supposedly are looking for economic improvement, not for a haven from war. The European countries don't have the resources and jobs for tens of thousands of these immigrants.

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The majority are young men. But they are real refugees. The war is going on for four years now in Syria. A lot of them fled to Turkey first, but there just isn't enough work for them there, so they are looking for jobs elsewhere. Why aren't they fighting? Well because they don't want to fight for Assad nor for the terrorists, as far as I know there really isn't a good side in this war to fight for. You can't just raise your own army. So there is no other choice than to flee.

I know that some white Dutch men joined the Peshmerga, the Kurdic army, which was the best army to join, in which you could achieve something good. But now the Turkish army is attacking them as well, so I wouldn't want to fight for them anymore if I was bombed by Turkey and I wouldn't want to fight against them either, only against the real terrorists and of course against Assad, so then the Turkish army isn't an option either.

Unfortunately this isn't a war where you can join a good army, that fights against Assad and against all the terrorists. I am just really glad that I am not Syrian!

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The majority are young men. But they are real refugees. The war is going on for four years now in Syria. A lot of them fled to Turkey first, but there just isn't enough work for them there, so they are looking for jobs elsewhere. Why aren't they fighting? Well because they don't want to fight for Assad nor for the terrorists, as far as I know there really isn't a good side in this war to fight for. You can't just raise your own army. So there is no other choice than to flee.

I know that some white Dutch men joined the Peshmerga, the Kurdic army, which was the best army to join, in which you could achieve something good. But now the Turkish army is attacking them as well, so I wouldn't want to fight for them anymore if I was bombed by Turkey and I wouldn't want to fight against them either, only against the real terrorists and of course against Assad, so then the Turkish army isn't an option either.

Unfortunately this isn't a war where you can join a good army, that fights against Assad and against all the terrorists. I am just really glad that I am not Syrian!

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No they aren't refugees... most aren't even Syrian, where ever you are getting your information from is really.. really biased in what they are selectively feeding you there.

If they are too lazy to defend their own country... they don't deserve to go to anyone else's... What about all the OTHER countries in their own region... they can go there... why won't anyone ask or answer THAT question?

I actually knew some Syrians....they were not particularly nice people. In fact they had their diplomatic Immunity Stripped from them and they were deported in a real big hurry. I won't go into details why....but I do know why.

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No they aren't refugees... most aren't even Syrian, where ever you are getting your information from is really.. really biased in what they are selectively feeding you there.

If they are too lazy to defend their own country... they don't deserve to go to anyone else's... What about all the OTHER countries in their own region... they can go there... why won't anyone ask or answer THAT question?

I actually knew some Syrians....they were not particularly nice people. In fact they had their diplomatic Immunity Stripped from them and they were deported in a real big hurry. I won't go into details why....but I do know why.

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I have a Syrian friend and she is very nice. She was the first person who told me that Yezidi's were sold as slaves. Someone didn't even believe her, but within a week it was on the news.

They are not too lazy to defend their own country, there just isn't a good army to join.

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I have a Syrian friend and she is very nice. She was the first person who told me that Yezidi's were sold as slaves. Someone didn't even believe her, but within a week it was on the news.

They are not too lazy to defend their own country, there just isn't a good army to join.

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That's just a really lame excuse used by people too afraid or too lazy to join, particularly if they are unemployed otherwise. Your country only has one Army ( or more accurately Armed Forces)... you don't get to pick which one (thought there are different branches of the Armed forces that you can in many cases pick from). And if the Citizens won't defend their own country... then why should anyone else put their own lives and money on the line to do it?

If they weren't lazy or a coward they would join...and certainly they aren't in a situation where there are TOO MANY people in it that they were told...sorry..we have enough and don't need any more.


The truth is they aren't willing to make the sacrifice to defend their own country. Because they are either lazy or worse...cowards. I'm willing to say....cowards fit the bill for most of them. Since even Women are part of the Armies in most of the world. The civilized parts anyway.

Like misspurple mentioned, there isn't a good army to join. Neither of them have agendas that are for the country's benefit. But citizens running off to other countries doesn't seem like a good answer either.

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Like misspurple mentioned, there isn't a good army to join. Neither of them have agendas that are for the country's benefit. But citizens running off to other countries doesn't seem like a good answer either.

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It is the only choice they have, if they want to stay alive!

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That's just a really lame excuse used by people too afraid or too lazy to join, particularly if they are unemployed otherwise. Your country only has one Army ( or more accurately Armed Forces)... you don't get to pick which one (thought there are different branches of the Armed forces that you can in many cases pick from). And if the Citizens won't defend their own country... then why should anyone else put their own lives and money on the line to do it?

If they weren't lazy or a coward they would join...and certainly they aren't in a situation where there are TOO MANY people in it that they were told...sorry..we have enough and don't need any more.


The truth is they aren't willing to make the sacrifice to defend their own country. Because they are either lazy or worse...cowards. I'm willing to say....cowards fit the bill for most of them. Since even Women are part of the Armies in most of the world. The civilized parts anyway.

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The army from Syria is led by Assad!!

You can't expect those people to join this dictator that has been oppressing his people for decades now! Syria needs to get rid of him, but of course, IS, Al Quaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are even worse!

The Peshmerga was the only acceptable alternative, but now that Turkey is fighting against the Peshmerga as well, you are just stupid to join them. Fighting against the Peshmerga is also wrong, so you don't want to join the Turkish army either (and to join them you have to flea as well, because Turkey is already another country) so there is really not a good army, within the borders of Syria to join!

It ranges from evil, to even more evil. Even Al Quaida dissaproves of IS, because they are so barbaric, but Al Quaida is the terrorist group responsible for 9-11, so of course you don't want to join them either!

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It is the only choice they have, if they want to stay alive!

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That DEFINES exactly what it is to be a coward...people like that won't stand up for their own country...they won't stand up to defend you or anyone else...they are only interesting in whats in it for them. None of those are redeeming qualities.,

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That DEFINES exactly what it is to be a coward...people like that won't stand up for their own country...they won't stand up to defend you or anyone else...they are only interesting in whats in it for them. None of those are redeeming qualities.,

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What armies are fighting, and what does each want or stand for?

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I am from and in the USA.. I also spend a significant time and have ties in Italy... family and property... and have for 25 years. And unlike any of them...I actually have a right to Italian Citizenship.

Anyone that shows up in any country without a valid VISA or papers is a criminal.. or if they qualify as a tourist and overstay that... IS a criminal. It's a crime to be in ANY country without the legal right to be there.

The unemployment rate for EDUCATED Italian youth is exceptionally high... its even higher for those without a college degree. There aren't enough jobs for people who have a legal right to be in Italy... and Illegals are taking away some of those precious jobs from them.

Italy's economy is barely better than Portugal and Spain.. and they were barely above Greece and its obvious what is going on there. Get ready to be bailing them out soon as well, and paying dearly for it because you are one of the people by welcoming all the uneducated and unwashed people in that shouldn't be there. You WILL be paying for it...don't fool yourself into believing otherwise....you are now with your high taxes, which will be going higher.

And as was said... these are people of the age who SHOULD be fighting for their own country.. rather than running to and hiding in another country where they won't lift a finger to help either. And they aren't paying their way... a very few might be... most are collecting welfare that legal citizens can't get, free or subsidized housing actual citizens can't get because they are on a waiting list these illegals never had to wait in. If they won't lift a finger or take the risk to make their own country better.. they certainly won't do it for someone else's country they think they have the right to go to simply because they decide to.

And want to see what is in store for much of Europe? You need no look any further than your own news. Look what's happened within the Muslim communities in Great Britain and France... with all the rioting and crimes committed... and the complete lack of assimilation by the same group. In fact they refuse to assimilate.

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According to Dutch laws, you are not a criminal for being illegal. Period. You are only a criminal when you break the law. If you seek asylum, as long as the decision to grant you asylum or not hasn't been taken, you are legal in the country. And I know for a fact that almost all Syrians that apply for a visa, get one.

Ten days ago a refugee doctor from Syria saved a Dutch life here in The Netherlands. See the article underneath. Please realise that Syrians are people in the first place and that they can also add to our society. Of course the article is in Dutch, but you can use Google translate to read it.

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Fleeing your country that is being bombed by the US, where the army of dictator Assad is fighting against IS, A Quada and the Muslim Brotherhood is the only sane thing to do. Especially if you are a Christian or a Yezidi, you are in real trouble there. My Syrian friend is a Christian. But Musims aren't save either. IS even beheads Muslims, that is why even Al Quaida is commenting on them.

Are you telling me, that if there is an army approaching that wants to beheads you, while the US is bombing you, you would stay put? Then you are deluding yourself!

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Syrian army is fighting to keep the corrupt President Assad in power, the President since 2000, the son of the former president, since 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad

ISIL, the most barbarbic group of terrorists ever. They are so gruesome, that Obama had no other choice than to start bombing them. They behead people, even Muslims, enslave women and children and are really horrible, so horrible, that Al Qaeda dissaproves of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...and_the_Levant

Al Qaeda: responsible for 9-11, I don't think that they need further introduction, but in case you were living under a rock this century:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Muslim Brotherhood, another group of Muslim terrorists. They had the power in Egypt for a year and that is why we now know that they are corrupt terrorists as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

The Peshmerga, really the only good guys in this fight. But they are not from Syria!1! They are Kurds from Iraq! But because Turkey is at war with the Kurds, Turkey is bombing them. Turkey is part of NATO. You must be crazy to enlist in an army that is being bombed by NATO. According to Turkey, the Peshmerga are terrorists as well, because they want their own Kurdish state, which also entails a part of Turkey. The PKK is a terrorist organisation, but although they fight for the same cause, as far as I know, the Peshmerga aren't terrorist. Dutch white soldiers that wanted to help in this was, joined the Peshmerga. They were allowed, because the Peshmerga aren't an enemy of The Netherlands. But now that Turkey declared them an enemy, and Turkey is our ally and part of NATO, I don't think fighting for them is still a wise choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga

The Turkish army. Led by primeminister Erdogan. Turkey is changing more and more into a Muslim state with him as President. Human rights are violated more and more, especially those of the Kurdish or people that speak up about the Armenian genocide. Like I stated earlier, in order to join them, you have to flea Syria first, but then you might get unlucky and have to fight the Peshmerga instead of Assad of the terrorists, so not really a good choice either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

And those are the six groups all fighting against each other in Syria. While IS is also being bombed by the US.

The earth would be a better place if Assad, IS, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood were all four completely wiped out

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That DEFINES exactly what it is to be a coward...people like that won't stand up for their own country...they won't stand up to defend you or anyone else...they are only interesting in whats in it for them. None of those are redeeming qualities.,

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You can't fight if you don't have weapons.

They are as defenseless as you and me. Or do you have a lot of guns, drones, granates, missiles etc. laying in your backyard!

I don't have any power against terrorists as well. I would flee too and I am not a coward. I am just realistic: without any military training or even a handgun, there is nothing that I can do against terrorists or the army of Assad and if the US is bombing me, weapons don't even help. I don't even want to shoot a BUK missile at the US, because they need to bomb IS! But regular people don't have BUK missiles.

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The army from Syria is led by Assad!!

You can't expect those people to join this dictator that has been oppressing his people for decades now! Syria needs to get rid of him, but of course, IS, Al Quaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are even worse!

The Peshmerga was the only acceptable alternative, but now that Turkey is fighting against the Peshmerga as well, you are just stupid to join them. Fighting against the Peshmerga is also wrong, so you don't want to join the Turkish army either (and to join them you have to flea as well, because Turkey is already another country) so there is really not a good army, within the borders of Syria to join!

It ranges from evil, to even more evil. Even Al Quaida dissaproves of IS, because they are so barbaric, but Al Quaida is the terrorist group responsible for 9-11, so of course you don't want to join them either!

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Lots of excuses... they pick one and stand behind it, and any consequences of it... Nit pick like that and nobody would ever join any army anyplace.

Think there wasn't consequences to be paid by people here taking arms against the British, or North against the South... or any other action since then? Sure there is... and yes there always will be... as will be the whiners that sit on the sidelines and complain but do nothing and in the end their cause loses because so many of them ran away to hide instead of fight.

People who run away and hide rather than fight lose any moral high ground to complain later things have not improved.

Freedom is never free.

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Lots of excuses... they pick one and stand behind it, and any consequences of it... Nit pick like that and nobody would ever join any army anyplace.

Think there wasn't consequences to be paid by people here taking arms against the British, or North against the South... or any other action since then? Sure there is... and yes there always will be... as will be the whiners that sit on the sidelines and complain but do nothing and in the end their cause loses because so many of them ran away to hide instead of fight.

People who run away and hide rather than fight lose any moral high ground to complain later things have not improved.

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I couldn't disagree more. There are no good sides to join. As an individual you don't stand a chance and in a country torn apart by war, it isn't that easy to assemble your own new army, to truly liberate the Syrian people from all kinds of oppression. Not everybody is mandated to give their life for a cause.

I'd rather have people running here, into my city, than joining forces with these evil parties and making them stronger. People who don't join terrorists have the moral high ground compared to those who join terrorists.

I really don't understand how you can have such a unrealistic outlook on this war. But if I apply your own reasoning to you, you are a descendand of cowards, because only the native Americans belong in the US. Every white person in the US is a descendant from an immigrant that was too lazy or cowardly to build a life in Europe, but instread fled to the US as an economical refugee.

Unless you are African American of course, or do you have a way to reason that enslaved people were cowards too?

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I couldn't disagree more. There are no good sides to join. As an individual you don't stand a chance and in a country torn apart by war, it isn't that easy to assemble your own new army, to truly liberate the Syrian people from all kinds of oppression. Not everybody is mandated to give their life for a cause.

I'd rather have people running here, into my city, than joining forces with these evil parties and making them stronger. People who don't join terrorists have the moral high ground compared to those who join terrorists.

I really don't understand how you can have such a unrealistic outlook on this war. But if I apply your own reasoning to you, you are a descendand of cowards, because only the native Americans belong in the US. Every white person in the US is a descendant from an immigrant that was too lazy or cowardly to build a life in Europe, but instead fled to the US as an economical refugee.

Unless you are African American of course, or do you have a way to reason that enslaved people were cowards too?

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Really... You want to go there with the laughing stock the Netherlands Army is everyplace? Was YOUR ethnic group traceable in the Netherlands to the Neolithic period? I'm willing to bet it isn't.


Incidentally... if it wasn't for us... you wouldn't be speaking Dutch right now and would be part of a Greater Germany encompassing most of Europe. Maybe we shouldn't have bothered.

Yes I had Uncles and Neighbors that fought to free Europe, as well as in the Pacific, Two Highly decorated in fact, another one of them Died on the Bataan Death march. They didn't run and hide making excuses to NOT fight.

Typical... maybe you DESERVE to have the Muslims decide to impose Sharia and start decapitating women who don't wear Burqas... It's going to happen.. and happen soon... and when it does... don't come crying to us.. you can stay there and deal with it because you created it. It happens EVERYWHERE they develop a critical mass... Like Paris and the UK. Next thing will be convert or die like happens in nearly every Muslim majority nation.

The education system really is substandard where you grew up... or is that the sort of Drivel that passes as education these days. Ever Hear of the word... Colonization? Cripes...look it up. The didn't flee for economic reasons to the great Cities built by the Indians here.

But then..with the Gun control you have over there...there isn't much you can do but submit...I don't expect your army to do much. Except quell an unruly student disturbance.

There may be MILLIONS fleeing Syria, but Assad ain't won in 4 years, despite Russia helping him out. SOMEBODY is putting up one helluva fight.

smoothy, what if the Nazis had occupied our country, the Japanese were fighting them and committing atrocities here and there among the US population, the Koreans were bombing the Nazis AND the Japanese, and there was no US military to speak of? What would you do?

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There may be MILLIONS fleeing Syria, but Assad ain't won in 4 years, despite Russia helping him out. SOMEBODY is putting up one helluva fight.

There may be MILLIONS fleeing Syria, but Assad ain't won in 4 years, despite Russia helping him out. SOMEBODY is putting up one helluva fight. 

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Yes, that is a huge problem. It seems as if Russia just wants to make the world a worse place. If it was just Assad...

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smoothy, what if the Nazis had occupied our country, the Japanese were fighting them and committing atrocities here and there among the US population, the Koreans were bombing the Nazis AND the Japanese, and there was no US military to speak of? What would you do?

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Thank you Wondergirl!

I wonder if you can get through to Smoothy, because it seems to me as if he is just searching for reasons to be able to bash refugees, Muslims and everyone who isn't bashing them!

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Really... You want to go there with the laughing stock the Netherlands Army is everyplace? Was YOUR ethnic group traceable in the Netherlands to the Neolithic period? I'm willing to bet it isn't.


Incidentally... if it wasn't for us... you wouldn't be speaking Dutch right now and would be part of a Greater Germany encompassing most of Europe. Maybe we shouldn't have bothered.

Yes I had Uncles and Neighbors that fought to free Europe, as well as in the Pacific, Two Highly decorated in fact, another one of them Died on the Bataan Death march. They didn't run and hide making excuses to NOT fight.

Typical... maybe you DESERVE to have the Muslims decide to impose Sharia and start decapitating women who don't wear Burqas... It's going to happen.. and happen soon... and when it does... don't come crying to us.. you can stay there and deal with it because you created it. It happens EVERYWHERE they develop a critical mass... Like Paris and the UK. Next thing will be convert or die like happens in nearly every Muslim majority nation.

The education system really is substandard where you grew up... or is that the sort of Drivel that passes as education these days. Ever Hear of the word... Colonization? Cripes...look it up. The didn't flee for economic reasons to the great Cities built by the Indians here.

But then..with the Gun control you have over there...there isn't much you can do but submit...I don't expect your army to do much. Except quell an unruly student disturbance.

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LOL!

You really don't know who I am. My ethnic group is traceable everywhere. You know why! Because I am not white!

And I know all about colonisation: my parents were both born in Suriname, a former colony of The Netherlands.

I am half Surinamese Indian, a quarter Jewish, indigenous Surinamese, African and Chinese. And yes, Surinamese people have fought in the second world war.

I know all about colonisation and it is also a bad thing! The biggest genocide in human history isn't the holocaust, no it is what the colonists did in the US!

So laugh all you want about the Dutch, or Surinamese people or whomever you want to, no one committed as much atrocities as the white colonists of the US.

And what the Dutch did in colonial era's wasn't pretty either. First they enslaved my indigenous great-great-grandmother, but when they realised that the indigeous people weren't strong enough to work like cattle on the plantations (sugar, cotton, cocoa, coffee etc), they obducted my African ancestors from Africa, shipped them all the way to Curaçao and from there to Suriname to work on the plantations. When slavery was abolished, the colonisers were still too lazy and weak to do hard labour themselves, so then they went to India and recruited my mothers family to do the heavy work at the plantations.

I have no idea what would have happened in the second world war without the US. But I do know, that the atrocities and the pure horrors that the white colonists committed against the indigenous people of the New World and the slavery is something to be very ashamed off, much, much, much more than anything that happened later in history.

O, and today, I would be very ashamed to be American, if I would live in the richest country in the world, but people have to go to gofundme.com to pay their medical bills or that families in which both parents work more than 40 hours a week still can't make ends meet, and families with little children end up living in tents underneath bridges, because of the crisis in 2008. Where poor people can't afford to go to college and idiots like Donald Trump and Kim Davis have supporters.

Here in The Netherlands there are no families living in tents under bridges! Just one salary is always enough to make ends meet. Everyone can afford healthcare and we were the first country in the world with gay marriage. Unfortunately bigots like Bush were able to denie the gay community their human right until Obama came along.

Now I don't hate Americans or the Dutch, all I am trying to achieve here, is that you have no reason to act as if you come from a line of perfect people to be proud of and that you have no right to judge everybody else in the world that isn't American.

But, honestly, after all that you have said so far, it wouldn't surprise me if you are a Republican yourself, and in my eyes, the Republicans nowadays, but especially Donald Trump, stand for everything that is wrong with the US.

Donald Trump is comparable to the Dutch politician Geert Wilders and everything that you said, how you demonise Muslims, are things that that racist politician Geert Wilders would say. He wasn't even welcome in the UK, Australia and Germany because of his racist views. So that you remind me of him, really is a huge insult, but he is probably one of your heroes, if I am listening to your reasoning so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

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LOL!

You really don't know who I am. My ethnic group is traceable everywhere. You know why! Because I am not white!

And I know all about colonisation: my parents were both born in Suriname, a former colony of The Netherlands.

I am half Surinamese Indian, a quarter Jewish, indigenous Surinamese, African and Chinese. And yes, Surinamese people have fought in the second world war.

I know all about colonisation and it is also a bad thing! The biggest genocide in human history isn't the holocaust, no it is what the colonists did in the US!

So laugh all you want about the Dutch, or Surinamese people or whomever you want to, no one committed as much atrocities as the white colonists of the US.

And what the Dutch did in colonial era's wasn't pretty either. First they enslaved my indigenous great-great-grandmother, but when they realised that the indigeous people weren't strong enough to work like cattle on the plantations (sugar, cotton, cocoa, coffee etc), they obducted my African ancestors from Africa, shipped them all the way to Curaçao and from there to Suriname to work on the plantations. When slavery was abolished, the colonisers were still too lazy and weak to do hard labour themselves, so then they went to India and recruited my mothers family to do the heavy work at the plantations.

I have no idea what would have happened in the second world war without the US. But I do know, that the atrocities and the pure horrors that the white colonists committed against the indigenous people of the New World and the slavery is something to be very ashamed off, much, much, much more than anything that happened later in history.

O, and today, I would be very ashamed to be American, if I would live in the richest country in the world, but people have to go to gofundme.com to pay their medical bills or that families in which both parents work more than 40 hours a week still can't make ends meet, and families with little children end up living in tents underneath bridges, because of the crisis in 2008. Where poor people can't afford to go to college and idiots like Donald Trump and Kim Davis have supporters.

Here in The Netherlands there are no families living in tents under bridges! Just one salary is always enough to make ends meet. Everyone can afford healthcare and we were the first country in the world with gay marriage. Unfortunately bigots like Bush were able to denie the gay community their human right until Obama came along.

Now I don't hate Americans or the Dutch, all I am trying to achieve here, is that you have no reason to act as if you come from a line of perfect people to be proud of and that you have no right to judge everybody else in the world that isn't American.

But, honestly, after all that you have said so far, it wouldn't surprise me if you are a Republican yourself, and in my eyes, the Republicans nowadays, but especially Donald Trump, stand for everything that is wrong with the US.

Donald Trump is comparable to the dutch politician Geert Wilders and everything that you said, how you demonise Muslims, are things that that racist politician Geert Wilders would say. He wasn't even welcome in the UK, Australia and Germany because of his racist views. So that you remind me of him, really is a huge insult, but he is probably one of your heroes, if I am listening to your reasoning so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

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Everything that is wrong is liberalism.. everyone expecting something for nothing... and that is epidemic in Europe. That's why the economy there is stagnant. And has been for MANY decades.

Funny thing with Liberalism... they always want to spend someone else's money... so that someone else leaves to go someplace more friendly and that leaves nobody to leech off. But rejoice... YOU get to pay those bills... just remind yourself when YOU are working to pay for everything YOU need as well as these illegals that are lounging around getting welfare and free housing and food. What a great Idea that is... For them.

I know the Netherlands well.. I was probably there before you were born... and I know people that are still there...

There is nothing I like about the Netherlands. You left out being the Mecca for so many of Europe's drug addicts too. Don't forget that.

And about Demonizing Muslims... Get stuffed... I have the RIGHT to Demonise Muslims because those degenerate Moon god worshipers almost killed me on 9/11 and did kill several people I was working with... so get off your high horse about them because they haven't even started to make amends for that yet. OR the 99% of worldwide terrorism committed in the name of a pedophile and murderer.

And you nor anyone else on this planet has the RIGHT to tell me otherwise... Because I was there... YOU weren't.

And you are the one that needs to be ashamed... I am Proud to be an american... the Dutch are laughingstocks in much of the world. Except to the stoners... great point of pride there.

You really don't have half the education you think you have.. and know even less about what really happens. You probably believe all the propaganda you see on the news and read in the Papers... but then.. you really don't have access to what's really going on anyplace.


And About Wikipedia... they are wrong about a lot of stuff... and I've proven it on several points where they were COMPLETELY wrong... not just a little wrong. Didn't work hard to find them either... and there are a lot more I don't know about too if it was that easy to find.

And you are totally clueless about where the biggest Genocide occurred.. because it Wasn't even in the Western Hemisphere.

You should be embarrassed spewing that garbage in public. Heck..you should go back to your teachers and smack them to teaching it.

Where do I get THAT knowledge from....30+ years in and around parts of the government you will never see, even your own...I see what happened and I see what is later reported....and you would be surprised how rarely they even match.

And DOnald trump has already accomplished something most Politicians only Dream of...He earned his wealth..he didn't steal it.. And that makes him a success story few if any of his detractors can match....in fact most of them pick on the rich because they aren't smart enough to become one themselves.

Funny thing is Liberals worldwide call anyone that disagrees with their narrow minded agenda as racists. When they should be looking at themselves.

Oh..and incidently, the Dutch were VERY cooperative in handing over the Jews, the Gypsies, the Mentally infirm etc...to the Nazi's so the Dutch get no free pass on Genocide and their part in it either.

ANNE FRANK didn't even get past them. Yes...been there saw that over 30 years ago.

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Everything that is wrong is liberalism.. everyone expecting something for nothing... and that is epidemic in Europe. That's why the economy there is stagnant. And has been for MANY decades.

Funny thing with Liberalism... they always want to spend someone else's money... so that someone else leaves to go someplace more friendly and that leaves nobody to leech off. But rejoice... YOU get to pay those bills... just remind yourself when YOU are working to pay for everything YOU need as well as these illegals that are lounging around getting welfare and free housing and food. What a great Idea that is... For them.

I know the Netherlands well.. I was probably there before you were born... and I know people that are still there...

There is nothing I like about the Netherlands. You left out being the Mecca for so many of Europe's drug addicts too. Don't forget that.

And about Demonizing Muslims... Get stuffed... I have the RIGHT to Demonise Muslims because those degenerate Moon god worshipers almost killed me on 9/11 and did kill several people I was working with... so get off your high horse about them because they haven't even started to make amends for that yet. OR the 99% of worldwide terrorism committed in the name of a pedophile and murderer.

And you nor anyone else on this planet has the RIGHT to tell me otherwise... Because I was there... YOU wasn't.

And you are the one that needs to be ashamed... I am Proud to be an american... the Dutch are laughingstocks in much of the world. Except to the stoners... great point of pride there.

You really don't have half the education you think you have.. and know even less about what really happens. You probably believe all the propaganda you see on the news and read in the Papers... but then.. you really don't have access to what's really going on anyplace.


And About Wikipedia... they are wrong about a lot of stuff... and I've proven it on several points where they were COMPLETELY wrong... not just a little wrong. Didn't work hard to find them either... and there are a lot more I don't know about too if it was that easy to find.

And you are totally clueless about where the biggest Genocide occurred.. because it Wasn't even in the Western Hemisphere.

You should be embarrassed spewing that garbage in public. Heck..you should go back to your teachers and smack them to teaching it.

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OMG. You should be the one that should be ashamed, not me.

Nobody in The Netherlands get free housing! You can stay in the refugeecenter for free, but there you only have a room, for your own place you always have to pay. Like I said earlier, I know enough former refugees with a job, that pay taxes, so they really contribute to our society. But you keep on insisting that reality is different than what I see with my own eyes. Really sad. Who do you think that you are convincing?

My teachers never taught me about the 100 million indigenous people that were slaughtered in the US, that is something that I found out by myself. I don't know what you think of yourselves, but US history really isn't that important in the Dutch or Surinamese education system (I went to school in both countries.)

But if you know about a even bigger genocide, please let me know. I am always open for more verifiable information. But even if there is a bigger genocide, it is not a reason for the US to be proud of what they have done there.

I can't speak for all of Europe, because I only live in The Netherlands, but I do know that this part of Europe: Germany, the UK, The Netherlands, Belgium and even France don't have a stagnant economy for years.

So get your facts straight, before you judge liberals.

I am always so surprised about how ignorant people can be.

BTW: why didn't you answer Wondergirls's question: smoothy, what if the Nazis had occupied our country, the Japanese were fighting them and committing atrocities here and there among the US population, the Koreans were bombing the Nazis AND the Japanese, and there was no US military to speak of? What would you do?

Because that is the equivalent of what the Syrians are facing, The Nazi's are Assad, The Japanese are IS, and the Koreans are the US. To make it easier she left out the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Peshmerga and Turkey.

Oo, and about 9-11: not all Muslims are terrorists!!! How can you be so stupid to not know the difference! Like I said earlier, my mother and her family are Muslims, they hate terrorists and aside from maybe my uncle and cousin who were in the militairy (my cousin fought in Yougoslavia) no one ever killed anyone.

I have all the right to say that not every Muslim is a terrorist, because I know a lot of Muslims. Just like not every Christian is a member of the KKK so is not every Muslim a terrorist. That is really the most incorrect thing you have said so far. If every Muslim was in fact a terrorist, we would all have been dead by now!

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OMG. You should be the one that should be ashamed, not me.

Nobody in The Netherlands get free housing! You can stay in the refugeecenter for free, but there you only have a room, for your own place you always have to pay. Like I said earlier, I know enough former refugees with a job, that pay taxes, so they really contribute to our society. But you keep on insisting that reality is different than what I see with my own eyes. Really sad. Who do you think that you are convincing?

My teachers never taught me about the 100 million indigenous people that were slaughtered in the US, that is something that I found out by myself. I don't know what you think of yourselves, but US history really isn't that important in the Dutch or Surinamese education system (I went to school in both countries.)

But if you know about a even bigger genocide, please let me know. I am always open for more verifiable information. But even if there is a bigger genocide, it is not a reason for the US to be proud of what they have done there.

I can't speak for all of Europe, because I only live in The Netherlands, but I do know that this part of Europe: Germany, the UK, The Netherlands, Belgium and even France don't have a stagnant economy for years.

So get your facts straight, before you judge liberals.

I am always so surprised about how ignorant people can be.

BTW: why didn't you answer Wondergirls's question: smoothy, what if the Nazis had occupied our country, the Japanese were fighting them and committing atrocities here and there among the US population, the Koreans were bombing the Nazis AND the Japanese, and there was no US military to speak of? What would you do?

Because that is the equivalent of what the Syrians are facing, The Nazi's are Assad, The Japanese are IS, and the Koreans are the US. To make it easier she left out the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Peshmerga and Turkey.

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God lord... talk about being miss high and mighty... Excuse me for not being as PERFECT as you are in all things... but then... I'm glad I'm not.

Research it... the Two largest occurred under Socilist and Comminst Rule... In the USSR and China. Look them up. Look at the numbers... if you really care to know facts.

Really... your GDP growth has been what exactly the last say.. 40 years... WHat is your average unemployment rate, so there is NO excuse for anyone past the age of 18 to NOT be working a full time job...

Hell... there are a lot of individual states in the USA that have a greater GDP than the Netherlands and Belgium Combined... Germany alone is the bright spot in Europe... and its not all that wonderful. Lots of unemployed Germans... lot of Germans that WANT work and can't find it...

And answering Wondergirls question is for ME to do... I know her quite well...

I stand by my assertions that any group that is NOT willing to take up arms to defend their own country... don't deserve what they end up with.. OR deserve to go to any other. I'm also sick and tired of wasting our money and our lives on other countries they get all high and mighty about how perfect they are and how its us that do everything wrong... Cut off ALL foreign aid and see what happens... hell Europe can't even defend itself without OUR Military being there and the Billions WE spend there... let them learn the true cost of defending themselves... instead of expecting US to pay for most of it.

And the real Genocides were caused by the Spanish....not the USA and for your information the Colonies that were at the Beginning before there was a USA were...English..Dutch, French AND Spanish....if you had learned history. All long before we fought for and earned our independence from England...we BOUGHT the rest from France...some from Spain..and we bought Alaska from Russia...

You might want to brush up on your European History as well...not just the ancient..but the last several hundred years too, maybe even go back a bit further like the middle ages....real nice people running things....treated the population really well.......actually not they didn't. and Slaves in the USA....sold to us by Europeans, Arabs and mostly Other Africans (something everyone chooses to leave out) actually had it far better than the average person in the middle ages in Europe. And Certainly better than the Irish had it under English rule up until less than 100 years ago.


But then..like most liberals world wide, why let facts get in the way of things.

Nothing personal though....The Netherlands was a pretty enough place to visit....when it wasn't raining...but I wouldn't want to live there. And I've been there several times. I know much of Europe VERY well. I know parts of Italy better than my own home town.

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God lord... talk about being miss high and mighty... Excuse me for not being as PERFECT as you are in all things... but then... I'm glad I'm not.

Research it... the Two largest occurred under Socilist and Comminst Rule... In the USSR and China. Look them up. Look at the numbers... if you really care to know facts.

Really... your GDP growth has been what exactly the last say.. 40 years... WHat is your average unemployment rate, so there is NO excuse for anyone past the age of 18 to NOT be working a full time job...

Hell... there are a lot of individual states in the USA that have a greater GDP than the Netherlands and Belgium Combined... Germany alone is the bright spot in Europe... and its not all that wonderful. Lots of unemployed Germans... lot of Germans that WANT work and can't find it...

And answering Wondergirls question is for ME to do... I know her quite well...

I stand by my assertions that any group that is NOT willing to take up arms to defend their own country... don't deserve what they end up with.. OR deserve to go to any other. I'm also sick and tired of wasting our money and our lives on other countries they get all high and mighty about how perfect they are and how its us that do everything wrong... Cut off ALL foreign aid and see what happens... hell Europe can't even defend itself without OUR Military being there and the Billions WE spend there... let them learn the true cost of defending themselves... instead of expecting US to pay for most of it.

And the real Genocides were caused by the Spanish....not the USA and for your information the Colonies that were at the Beginning before there was a USA were...English..Dutch, French AND Spanish....if you had learned history. All long before we fought for and earned our independence from England...we BOUGHT the rest from France...some from Spain..and we bought Alaska from Russia...

You might want to brush up on your European History as well...not just the ancient..but the last several hundred years too, maybe even go back a bit further like the middle ages....real nice people running things....treated the population really well.......actually not they didn't. and Slaves in the USA....sold to us by Europeans, Arabs and mostly Other Africans (something everyone chooses to leave out) actually had it far better than the average person in the middle ages in Europe. And Certainly better than the Irish had it under English rule up until less than 100 years ago.


But then..like most liberals world wide, why let facts get in the way of things.

Nothing personal though....The Netherlands was a pretty enough place to visit....when it wasn't raining...but I wouldn't want to live there. And I've been there several times. I know much of Europe VERY well. I know parts of Italy better than my own home town.

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Those Dutch (yes I know who owned New York first and they traded it for Suriname in 1674), Spanish, French and English colonists are exactly the people that I am talking about!! You, as a white American, either descend from them, or from later immigrants. Which makes you no better than people migrating today. That is all that I am saying. Yes horrific things happened during the dark ages. I totally agree, all the white people in the US, had ancestors that lived in Europe during the middle ages. If you are white, no matter what spin you try to put on it, you are a descendant of either a European colonist or an European immigrant in the US and that makes you nothing better than a refugee.

But, that is not meant as an insult, because, I clearly respect refugees!

All that you said about the world history is something that I agree with and that only proves my point: if you are white, your ancestors were part of an barbaric Europe (Vikings, Romans, Greeks, crusades, a lot of bad things happened here) and then they either massacred the natives in the US or they went later on, as immigrants to the US.

And before you think that I don't know other things either: every race was once barbaric! We all descend from a savage race, if we go back far enough. That is why I say that you shouldn't act as if you are anything better than anyone else. We all have rotten ancestors! We all have enough to be ashamed off. I never claimed to be perfect. My claim is that none of us are, we are all equal, all part of the human race, and when someone is in trouble, we should help them. What I object to, is that you act as if you are better than a refugee. You didn't arrange to be born in the US anymore than I arranged to be born in The Netherlands. We are just two lucky bastards and the people born in Syria, except for Assad of course, are just unlucky bastards. I did nothing to deserve all the prosperity that I was born into and neither did you.

Now about those numbers, Stalin only had 40 million victims, which is still only 40 % of what happened in the US. Mao only had 70 million, still only 70% of what happened in the US.

So really, you are the one that needs to get your figures straight, not me.

And the rest of your story, about Europe not being able to defend itself... You really don't know what you are talking about!

I stand by my assertions that any group that is NOT willing to take up arms to defend their own country...

About this piece, Smoothy, that is the problem, that you just don't seem to grasp: the Syrian refugees aren't an organised group! Assad's army is organised, all the terrorists are organised, but the commoners just aren't and they don't have any arms either.

They don't have a second commandment in Syria and like Talaniman pointed out, Assad is being backed by the Russians! How can any group of people stand against Putin! Look at what happened in Afghanistan, how Russia screwed things up there. The Russians are really messing the Middle East up and you can't blame the commoners of those countries for what Russia is doing there for decades!

Even if there was agroup, ready to take up arms, it is really hard to communicate with each other, there is no internet anymore, there are no phonelines. All the other groups are operating internationally and already have infrastructures that they can use.

Russia is really a huge destabalising factor in the world today. If it wasn't for them, MH17 wasn't shot by the Ukrainian separatists and Assad would have long been defeated. There the ones fueling all the wars, for decades now!

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Those Dutch (yes I know who owned New York first and they traded it for Suriname in 1674), Spanish, French and English colonists are exactly the people that I am talking about!! You, as a white American, either descend from them, or from later immigrants. Which makes you no better than people migrating today. That is all that I am saying. Yes horrific things happened during the dark ages. I totally agree, all the white people in the US, had ancestors that lived in Europe during the middle ages. If you are white, no matter what spin you try to put on it, you are a descendant of either a European colonist or an European immigrant in the US and that makes you nothing better than a refugee.

But, that is not meant as an insult, because, I clearly respect refugees!

All that you said about the world history is something that I agree with and that only proves my point: if you are white, your ancestors were part of an barbaric Europe (Vikings, Romans, Greeks, crusades, a lot of bad things happened here) and then they either massacred the natives in the US or they went later on, as immigrants to the US.

And before you think that I don't know other things either: every race was once barbaric! We all descend from a savage race, if we go back far enough. That is why I say that you shouldn't act as if you are anything better than anyone else. We all have rotten ancestors! We all have enough to be ashamed off. I never claimed to be perfect. My claim is that none of us are, we are all equal, all part of the human race, and when someone is in trouble, we should help them. What I object to, is that you act as if you are better than a refugee. You didn't arrange to be born in the US anymore than I arranged to be born in The Netherlands. We are just two lucky bastards and the people born in Syria, except for Assad of course, are just unlucky bastards. I did nothing to deserve all the prosperity that I was born into and neither did you.

Now about those numbers, Stalin only had 40 million victims, which is still only 40 % of what happened in the US. Mao only had 70 million, still only 70% of what happened in the US.

So really, you are the one that needs to get your figures straight, not me.

And the rest of your story, about Europe not being able to defend itself... You really don't know what you are talking about!

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YOU are the one that really doesn't know what you are talking about. How much do you know about Europe's Defense capabilities... how many Military bases have you ever been on in Europe. I learned quite a bit about how limited Europe's capabilities were during Desert Shield and Desert Storm, actually at that time I was privy to ALL that info on a daily basis. Also You really don't follow the news... because the USA actually accounts for MOST of Europe's total Defense spending.

You are in your early 20's right? You have to be because you are so far off target for the reality of so many things you can't be much older.

Also Unless you are a full blooded descendant of native Americans... then your descendants were Spanish and responsible for killing off MOST of the Inca and Aztec empire... through murder, enslavement or just through disease.

I don't know where you get this crap from about the Massacres of Indians like all they did was go through and kill every last one of them. YOu really had some seriously misinformed idiots for teachers. But then.. liberals just invent things when reality doesn't fit their agenda... Its well known and proven time and time again. There were a few...and only a few...and the numbers at each event were never that great because they didn't live in huge communities...

You are the one completely oblivious to the reality of today's world.. as well as actual History... your knowledge about American History is pretty pathetic... Seriously... its really bad. Whomever taught you English.. did a very good job... but with History... they were aweful.

You can rant and rave all you want..but you are still a 20 something that thinks they know far more about things than they actually do....and you aren't going to learn any of it watching some biased news show...or reading some biased newspaper or listening to some biased radio program....and heaven forbid believe half the crap you see on the internet.

And that highlighted quote...did you pull that number out of your butt..or are you dumb enough to even come close to thinking that number is remotely credible.


There were NEVER that many Indians living in the USA...in fact the entire population of the USA In 1900 there were only 79 million people living in the USA TOTAL...

An that's AFTER the massive influx of Europeans..


Look at the numbers

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/...?dsrcid=225439

It shows how completely outrageous your claims were. Whoever told you that was a total and complete idiot. And completely and Utterly false.

Also shows how little you really do know about the world outside of that tiny sliver of land where you reside.

40 million killed by Stalin and YOU claim that was 40% of the Indians Killed here...You need to put that hash pipe down...you are hallucinating.