Hello:
Are we financing our cities on the backs of the poor??? Of course we are. Is it any wonder black people take exception to it?
Police Shootings Won't Stop Unless We Also Stop Shaking Down Black People | Mother Jones
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Hello:
Are we financing our cities on the backs of the poor??? Of course we are. Is it any wonder black people take exception to it?
Police Shootings Won't Stop Unless We Also Stop Shaking Down Black People | Mother Jones
excon
Are you suggesting we should tax the rich more? Corporations more? Reduce spending and reduce tax?
Well what do you expect when stop and frisk, and racial profiling were such big hits?
Should we riot here in Memphis because the black guy shot the white cop?
Hi J:
Well, if you think black people are oppressing whites, I surely would. I hear lynching works.
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Go ahead, why NOT?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Black lives matter .
2015 Chicago Murders - Timeline - DNAinfo.com Chicago
Hello tom:
I got it... Apparently, as long as black people keep killing black people, the cops killing a few more ain't no big deal.. Certainly, we all know that getting killed by your NEIGHBOR is way WORSE than getting killed by the COPS..
I can't believe that anyone who purports to support the Constitution could hold such a callous disregard for the rule of law. You DO know that we CONTROL the cops, or are supposed to anyway, but the neighbors don't work for US.. They didn't swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, but the cops did..
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Apparently Black lives only matter IF a cop kills them .I've never heard the emperor say 'if I had a son ,he'd look like Elton Blue or Adrius Hayes .I never see Al Sharpton marching in the inner city protesting this murder epidemic . I hear no protests for the black lives lost in inner city crimes . I hear no remorse for the black lives lost in abortion mills . For every black American killed by homicide, there are 19 blacks killed by abortion.Quote:
I got it... Apparently, as long as black people keep killing black people, the cops killing a few more ain't no big deal..
Black Chicago Tribune columnist John W. Fountain often writes about how "we are killing each other."Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Where are the jobs that black teens and young people used to do? But then, why work at a low-level job when they can sell drugs and buy a Mercedes? Why are they slid through school and graduate without being able to read and write? Why do they form gangs to be the "family" they don't have? i.e, where is the family unit? And what are we all doing about all of this?
And everyone from around the world is wondering why America has lost its mind.
@wonderGirl, post modern societal collapse. We want so much and are willing to sacrifice so little of our own desires to achieve what we want that the fabric and bonds that held a family together are just absent. In order to have the house, the car, the TV, the iPhone, the next new and shiny thing everyone is working and there is no bonding within the family. I have seen traces of it with my white collar, white breed, subburb friends. They both had so much to do, and most of it carry over from their single lives, that their family and children were neglected. The marriage and house almost collapsed. It took a move across the country to save it. Suddenly they needed each other for support and they weren't dependent on factors external to the family for their entertainment. Things have gotten a lot better.
When you come down to it all anyone really wants at a basic level is to belong somewhere or some how. If you aren't getting that feeling with your blood family then you'll look elsewhere. That and cool stuff.
In my own extended family I've noticed a need for instant gratification.
Where are the jobs thatYou would be better to address this in progressively liberal ruled Chi-town . Where are the jobs pols have promised for generations ? What policies drove businesses out of town ? Where is the education that the high taxes have paid for ? Why don't teachers, with jobs almost guaranteed until retirement ,teach the kids ? What social policies encourage single parenthood ? It wasn't that long ago that Blacks had traditionally strong family units . What happened to change that ?Quote:
black teens and young people used to do? But then, why work at a low-level job when they can sell drugs and buy a Mercedes? Why are they slid through school and graduate without being able to read and write? Why do they form gangs to be the "family" they don't have? i.e, where is the family unit? And what are we all doing about all of this?
Much of the failures go back to the family unit -- or lack of one. Single moms are too busy keeping a roof over the kids' head and food in their tummies to have time to monitor homework and learning. Young men get girls pregnant and then disappear with pride for another notch in their belt. Businesses have left the state, downsized, and move to another country. Trickle-down economy doesn't exist.
What gets me about the article is that they act as if it is a new thing. It is as old as the war on drugs is. They take your possesions for whatever reason these days and keep them. Look at how many people have lost a home to the drug war when they werent even involved in it. Or those that lost a car because they sought sexual gratification from a local street hooker. Yes it is out of control. But there is also a larger problem looming and that is the disrespect for the police and the thought that they too as a victim can win the lawsuit lottery. It all has to stop. Body cams are not the panacea that they are purpoted to be.
We are on the downside of the slippery slope and it seems that nobody has the right idea except it really boils down to personal responsibility. Accept it and move on.
"trickle down " isn't the problem. It is deciding that businesses can be milked for extra public revenue. It is the decision to regulate them to a point that they can't be competitive in the market place if they remain . It is the uncontrolled inviting in of illegal immigrants making job opportunities less competitive for the poor undereducated Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It is social welfare policies that encouraged the rise of the single parent family . You are 100% correct in identifying that as possibly the major cause .You did not see this type of decay the family unit in the 1950s . Back then the Blacks generally had a strong family unit that was also strongly reinforced by the neighborhood and the church. The rise of the welfare state contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out of wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, 3x higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than children who are raised in 2 parent homes.
Moynihan wrote about this extensively in his study 'The Black Family ' where he accurately predicted where the black family was headed .Marriage, provides a “stable home” for children to learn common virtues. He wrote that marriage directs men and women toward the future, asking them not just to commit to each other but to plan, earn, save, and to devote themselves to advancing their children's prosperity . Single mothers , tended to drift into pregnancy, often more than once and by more than 1 man. Such mothers are unlikely to “shape their children's character and ability” in ways that lead to upward mobility.
Moynihan's conclusion: “a national effort towards the problems of Negro Americans must be directed towards the question of family structure.”
But then what happened to his prophetic report ? Well it was never officially published because the permanent bureaucracy objected to it's "subtle racism". The egg heads in the universities nit picked his stats. He was accused of 'blaming the victims ' . Any attempt at linking the prospects of strengthening the black family through civil rights laws were put on the back burner and forgotten .
15 years later ,a Moynihan loyal economist named Paul Offner did a study and concluded that , of the black children born between 1967 and 1969, 72 percent received Aid to Families with Dependent Children before the age of 18. School dropout rates, delinquency, and crime, were rising in the cities. The 15 years since the report was written had witnessed the birth of millions of fatherless babies ,and the entrenchment of a permanent underclass. The effects were immediate after the War on Poverty was codified into law while also ignoring the Moynihan report .
No, we are not wondering, we are trying desperately not to emulate youQuote:
And everyone from around the world is wondering why America has lost its mind.
Shouldn't the title of this question be "Black lives ONLY matter as long" as Al Sharpton GETS paid?
Or Jesse Jackson...Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Hello again,
So, you guys didn't even read the article.. Facts are hard for right wingers...
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I read it... its just more excuses from a certain group ( and actually there is more than one group that does this) that would rather blame something... anything else on their plight rather than addressing the root cause.
In my younger years I spent enough time around a lot of people that would rather take the "crooked"" route over the often more difficult "Straight and narrow" and when they got caught (as often happens)... rarely accepted their own responsibility in it.
Choices and actions have consequences... and lines have to be drawn somewhere... and no matter where they are... someones going to be unhappy about it. Mostly the people who are upset they weren't drawn further away from their own chosen actions.
Knew a lot of people that fit that bill growing up... and I can't exclude myself ( I was lucky enough or just smart enough to not get caught then)... and with age comes wisdom and I no longer agree with the way I thought or acted then either.
So a reformed character, but the problem lies with youth, how many of those killed in in past year been young, inexperience, perhaps even illeducated. The responsibility lies with the community, even though each is responsible for theier actions, the failure belongs to the community. With the resources available you would think it is possible to train and discipline youth
But that might lessen their self-esteem. How could those impressionable 24 year olds ever feel good about themselves if they had to face consequences? The Horror of being responsible is simply not PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I thought they needed more recruits in the military perhapps bring back national service with an option of civilian relief or foreign service
Hello again,
Blaming the black family and NOT the blue family, is RACIST, RACIST, and even more RACIST..
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Well ex there is black and there is blue and there is red. By blue I expect you mean the cops but let's remember he police chief in Ferguson is black and yet a black teen still managed to get himself shot, now who is to blame. It is time to take race out of the issue and understand there is a certain level of street violence fueled by easy access to guns
yeah that is the smear they gave Moynihan when they dismissed his report . But if his report had been taken seriously ,the Black community would be much better off today.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I agree and disagree, because the communities we are talking about have been DEFUNDED long ago, so the resources for better schools just doesn't exist, but plenty of money for cops pushed by city officials to stop and frisk, and profile those defunded areas to exploit and extract what little funds are left.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
It's a simple formula that's been used for decades, destroy the school you destroy the community. Sell it to a developer for a condo. Question remains, where do the poor folks go?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification
Maybe it's not racism(?), but greed that's the root of the problem. Race is a good cover story ain't it? Seems we have enough evidence of rich folks, making working folks, poor working folks, with the last recession. Of course the really poor folks never had a chance in the first place.
And WHITE lives matter! To think otherwise is racist.
We had a LEO killed a little over a week ago. He was white, his killer was black. His killer was a convicted bank robber. I bank at the bank he robbed. He beat the tellers within an inch of their lives.
It comes down to not being responsible for actions and an entitilist attitude.
Almost... but not quite. A lot of this is what the business what you to believe. You need to think of them like people because that is how they're reacting. Increase their taxes and they react the same way that minimum wage drones will. It is a balancing act, keep taxes low SHOULD encourage the businesses to pay their employees more which should allow them to spend more and the economy grows. What is being seen is that the company makes more money and a select few people get the money and the average employee sees NOTHING of it. The regulations should be on MEGA salaries in my humble opinion. When a the board of a company makes 40-400x what their average employee makes, there is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Also consider that many of the jobs that the Illegals take are the ones that the poor WON'T take. There is a huge sense of entitlement that causes a lot of people to stay on welfare or EI because they're too prideful to take the crap jobs. It took me 6 months to swallow my pride and take a job that was paying me a third of what I was after I got turfed in '08. We have had big issues with foreign workers. We are only allowed to hire foreign workers if there is no one able to do the job. As you can imagine companies go wild because they'll offer low wages for that but also get the people who want to work those jobs.
It is all a matter of perspective.
There is subtle racism in it because a lot of what was seen is mirrored in white communities, Hispanic communities, Asian communities, and *RACE* community across the world. The problem is isolated is black america, it is just most prominent in black america.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
My two cents which often makes no sense.
(I am Canadian, and we're trying our hardest to embrace the positive of the USA and suppress the negative.)Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You can. That was the primary point of public education. It is under funded all over the place and the opportunities that a lot of the youth see are vastly different then what we want them to see. Money, people, and political change will fix this. Missing any one of those and it won't.
Hello again, J:Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
If the cops had used the white community as their funding source, and killed them if they took exception to it, then I'd be all behind your white lives matter too.
But, that ISN'T what's happening. It's happening ONLY to the black community. To pretend otherwise is racist, or at least willfully ignorant. I suspect you didn't read the linked article, or you just thought it was lies, lies and more lies..
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Does this tragic killing of a white cop excuse the cop who shot a guy in the back for a traffic stop?
Yes, I read your link.
You don't have much association with the black community other than your media, do you?
Before you shout I'm racist, remember that I come from a biracial family. I have 0% racism in my blood, but I also live in a primarily black community and associate face-to-face on a daily basis. Many of them feel entitled because our ancestors enslaved them. Yes, believe it or not, that mindset is still alive and well. They have babies to "get another check," (I've heard that ad nauseum).
Many by are treated terribly as children, so this is what they learn. Hate and aggression. I can't tell you how many times a mother has yelled at her 2 year old to "stop dat dayum cryin or I'll whoop yo asss" at 2 in the morning when that 2 year old child should be home in bed.
Go listen to the media, form your opinions. When you live it on a daily basis, come back and we'll discuss.
Hello again, J:
Maybe you just don't know what racism is.. That you come from a bi-racial family doesn't exclude you.. In fact, you just PROVED your racism with your comments. You use words like they and them and then broad brush an entire community with it... That's racist.. You describe BAD behavior and then attribute it black people.. That's racist. Hate and aggression is what "they" LEARN. That's racist..
I know you don't understand this stuff. When you educate yourself, come back and we'll discuss.
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That's what Martin O'Malley thought .Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk6eDKjQm4c
That's what Bernie Sanders thought . But he is in good standing after effectively surrendering his rally in Seattle to the Black Lives matter ummmmm coalition .
Bernie Sanders shut down, then addresses big crowd - David Cohen - POLITICO
Believe me. I understand racism. I live it every day in Memphis Tennessee.
The difference between you and I is that I interact with all cultures, I don't rely on the liberal media for my information. I rely on real time/life situations. Your media is tilted towards their agenda. I'm more for equality and that everyone should be held to the same standard no matter their economic background. Oh, and at one time in my life I was on welfare, so don't try to play that card. I know how it works.
Hello again, tom:
Black lives matter.. The Black Lives Matter MOVEMENT sucks. It reminds me of Occupy. Lots of anger - NO solutions.
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Hello again, J:
It has NOTHING to do with media, and EVERYTHING to do with the WORDS you use, and HOW the dictionary defines them..
noun: racism - The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
https://www.google.com/search?q=raci...utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Now ow that I can agree with!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yes, you are good at twisting words without actually knowing the person who speaks them. You are a bully in the literal sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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