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How to keep wild viruses--like Ebola--away from humans - CNN.com
I know Ebola is associated with eating "bush meat" but bats, give me a break. What I see here is all we do to eliminate Ebola is provide some food for people in West Africa. Who eats bats? Who eats monkeys? For heaven sake give me a break and take some responsibility. I have never found it necessary to eat a bat and I ask that we take some measures to ensure that this isn't part of the food chain
Koreans eat dog... certain other groups eat bugs. Maybe what the problem is in West Africa is excessive breeding for the available local resources. Give them more food and they will breed more people that in turn need even more food.
People tend to eat whatever is available to them, and when they can't find food, they will eat each other. No doubt Clete, if the grocery stores close you will get hungry enough to eat bugs, and bats, or the guy down the street.
All it takes is desperate hunger for you to put anything on the barby, or even raw like your ancestors before there was fire. Did you say you like your PRAWNS raw?
Keep your fake snob outrage to yourself. And watch your neighbor.
Friends don't let friends eat friends. Stop youth cannibalism.
I don't know about that Craven... there are certain communities around the world I think could be improved by encouraging more of the youth to eat each other.
You guys crack me up sometimes. Good point Smoothy population growth would take a hit.
Starvation as a birth control measure, how novel. Almost as effective as cannibalism.
Why bother though,
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Elo...t_nbr=7zeybztn
Humans will be deleted anyway.
Now you are coming the raw prawn. I eat prawns cooked, however I don't see the need for them to be reheated, they are delicious in a salad. You see I won't have to eat bats, or people there are plenty of roo's and pigs, and, fish and fowl in the rivers This is after all Barbeequearea as well as being BoganvillaQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
the flesh of chimps and other endangered species is considered a delicacy in much of Africa.
CNN - Poachers killing gorillas, chimps for bush meat delicacy - December 30, 1998
Yes Tom we know the African pallate differs from the European, why, it's a wonder there is any long pig left in america, no doubt chimp and gorilla have the same qualities as long pig, however, if what you eat kills you it is a bad idea. Smoothy's idea that the problem is population is only echoing what I've been saying for a long time, the answer to many of our problems is population reduction, but every time one group tries it, the others gang up against it. Left to their own devices the africans will annihilate each over, they have demonstrated this many times over, particularly in central africa
I know people who have eaten Bats and they say it taste like chicken and they eat because its meat is good and beneficial in some kind of disease, they also eat wild pigeon, wild rooster etc.
Hi precious, welcome to the debate, bats unfortunately carry some exotic diseases like hendra and ebola and so people become infected because they don't know this. In remote places a person gets sick and dies and the disease doesn't spread far, but in this case the variety of sources of infection is large. Aids came out of Africa and it has killed millions, this is much more virilient, it kills you a lot quicker, there is only a small chance of recovery even with treatment. The lesson is that you cannot ignore the potential for infection
Oh, yes, paraclete, I entirely agree with you. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Any animal can carry a disease, as can birds and insects. Not everyone has the luxury, or where with all to know if they do or not.
Your facts about the ebola virus are flawed as usual.
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there is only a small chance of recovery even with treatment.
70 % chance of fatality . Tal is correct . Most food sources carry a degree of risk.
Outcomes for recovery are markedly better with early diagnosis and treatment.
Outcome for recovery from ebola is negative if one has a compromised immune system. i.e. babies with undeveloped immune systems, diabetics who are compromised with this and other associated symptoms, those with heart disease, etc.
Successful outcomes are dependent on resources and infrastructure, of which there are none where all this started. As that changes so will the problems be solved. The others before it have, and this is no different.
Resources and infrastructures mean nothing over there if families continue to 'hoard' their ill people, not willing to part with them thinking they can cope. BUT the reality is that they cant deal with the body fluids excreted which is contaminated and become ill themselves. When they realize they cant cope and the family members start dying, they take them out and leave them in street. It is a vicious circle of contamination.
Then there are those who are hired to remove the dead contaminated.
Healthcare workers caring for the infected are inevitably at high risk from contamination if they let their guards slip and not take proper precautions.
Infrastructure and resources could mean everything though.
Thanks for welcoming! Yes, I agree with you but isn't it possible that the Ebola or whatever harmful viruses are just found in particularly those birds and animals of that one specific region? For instance, people have seen bird flue and have restricted themselves eating those chicken in their regions but at the same time in different part of the country people are eating chicken with no fear because they have been told that in that regions their chickens are free from those viruses or parasite etc after testing.
The people I have seen eating Bats, it was very long ago and they are still there, now old but alive, living a healthy life.
Hi prescious, yes the virus may be localised and be unknown or unidentified for a long time. There is no doubt that at least some of our problems come from eating exotic foods, ie; civet cats in China, apes in Africa, puffer fish. They also come from coming into contact with various animals. Once we become aware we should change what we are doing because viruses mutate in the human body and cross species. I think ignorance is no excuse and so as soon as we identify a problem we have to make sure the information is widely known. Some of the virilent outbreaks of recent times have been from poor hygene and management practices and I don't expect ebola is different but if an animal is a source of disease it should be avoided
Well so much for it being difficult to catch in a place with "superior" medical facilities and hygiene. One of the health care workers that was supposedly trained and equipped to work around these sort of patients is now one of them. Like some of us didn't see this coming all along.
If a 2nd Ebola Case in Dallas Concerns You, The CDC Solution Will Horrify You -
Of course you didn't see it coming. You should have closed your borders to those countries
We saw it coming. The idiot at the helm of the CDC apparently lacks any common sense, or apparently any medical knowledge what-so-ever. Because even those of us without any formal medical training knew this. Its been the #1 protocol for dealing with epidemics for eons. Contain the outbreak FIRST. Not spread the infected victims throughout uninfected communities. Their actions taken are those of someone who INTENDS to spread the disease far and wide.
Conspiracy theory? US infects the world
The emperor now has an 'ebola czar " .He's another political hack ... Ronald A. Ron Klain is an American lawyer and political operative best known for serving as Chief of Staff to two Vice Presidents - Al Gore (19951999) and Joseph Biden (20092011).He is an influential Democratic Party insider. Earlier in his career, he was a law clerk for Supreme Court Justice Byron White during the Court's 1987 and 1988 Terms and worked on Capitol Hill, where he was Chief Counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee during the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination.
He was the Goracle's Chief of Staff during the 2000 election Florida recall mess. No doubt he will blame ebola on Global Warming .But does he know anything about infectious diseases ? Nahh . His expertise is in damage control and expropriating funds. Rahm Emanuel once said to never let a crisis go to waste. People forget the rest of the quote.' " This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not before."
The emperor has already issued a late night executive order mobilizing the National Guard to deploy to Africa. Don't be surprised if they suddenly find themselves not in Liberia dealing with the ebola scare ,but in West Africa hunting Boko Haram .
Try to keep up Tom Boko Harum have entered into a ceasefire and negotiations with the Nigerian government so that excuse has been taken away for the time being, no infective diseases control is a great use of trained troops..
What training ? They are being given a 4 hr crash course .Quote:
infective diseases control is a great use of trained troops..
PressTV - US troops get four-hour Ebola training before heading to W Africa
There is no need to mobilize the National Guard ,taking them away from family and their domestic jobs. This is just the emperor playing catch up because AGAIN ,he was caught off guard and surprise .
someone needs to tell Boko Harum that there is a ceasefire .
New Boko Haram attacks reported after ceasefire - CNN.com
Yes by all means let those trained troops do that they will be more effective than fighting Ebola, here's a thought how come Boko Harum don't catch Ebola
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