I am quite surprised that no one has brought up the subject of Bergdahl's release trade. Having a son in Afghanistan right now, this is very near and dear to me. I'm interested in what you all have to say.
I'm all ears.
Speak up.
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I am quite surprised that no one has brought up the subject of Bergdahl's release trade. Having a son in Afghanistan right now, this is very near and dear to me. I'm interested in what you all have to say.
I'm all ears.
Speak up.
Poorly handled by the administration, but it was the correct thing to do. They should have realized the controversy over his desertion and not made a big hoopla out of his release - that was a PR blunder. But as for releasing the 5 Taliban POWs - they would have to be released eventually anyways, since Gitmo sooner or later will have to be closed (or at least the prisoners who have been there for over ten years now will have to be returned at some point). Unless there are some sort of civilian charges that can be brought against them, with the US pulling out of Afghanistan thier continued jailing by the US can't be justified. So if we can get one of ours back for 5 of thiers, so be it. But now that Bergdahl is back - he will have to face the music for his desertion.
I think back to the execution of Pvt. Eddie Slovik. Slovik’s offense: desertion in wartime. This scum deserves the same fate as he committed the very same offense.
That's my thought on the topic... he should not ever be allowed to roam free. The lives of everyone on that post were trusted to him when he was on guard duty and walked away without being releaved.
He was a deserter, a traitor.
Please bare with me, I'm tired after a long, busy 12 hour shift and it is my bedtime. But.. Isn't it written somewhere that deserters of the military, such as this, are to be executed?
I spent my half hour break reading this. Yes, I read and comprehended all 7 pages in 30 minutes. Bowe Bergdahl: America's Last Prisoner of War by Michael Hastings | Politics News | Rolling Stone
Exactly... Outside of a theater of combat, you are AWOL until its been 30 days THEN you become a deserter. In a combat zone you are a deserter the moment you walk away. THere are no excuses... no need to "intend to stay away" like the talking idiots at the white house and in some of the media have been saying.
I'll try to look up and see if I can't find the Military code that specifies that.
As far as what Rolling Potatoes prints.....they have their own agenda to push.
Smoothy, read the Rolling Stone article I linked. From my understanding he was in a theater of combat and he specifically stated that he was going to walk away. He even asked what could happen to him if he did.
It does feel good, however, to know that his town will not be celebrating his release after all.
Yes...everything I have heard so far indicated he had every intent to leave as evidencesd by his note, and apparently this was only news to the Administration(in which case they were stupid)....or they were flat out telling lies to everyone. Neither situation is acceptible.
I also am glad to hear that town changed its mind.....but they should never have even planned that party in the first place. It couldn't have been news to them either.
� 885. Art. 85. Desertion
(a) Any member of the armed forces who-(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently; (2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or (3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another one of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States;
is guilty of desertion.
(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion. (c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ (ArmyStudyGuide.com)
So now the question goes to POTUS. Isn't he to give a 30-day notice that he is planning on releasing these prisoners, yet the decision was made within a few hours without notifying the congress or senate.
Please dumb it down for me. I try to keep up with politics, but I don't have the time to sit down and really listen enough for this to sink in.
No, he should not get a hero's welcome back hoopla/parade, and yes, he was a deserter and should get whatever punishment that merits. I remember hearing he is in poor health (?), but too bad. What oh what was he thinking and how far did he think he would be able to go (to Pakistan?) when he walked away from his platoon?
Honestly Carol, that was not the response I was expecting from you, but I totally and completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And I am totally pi$$ed about the WH PR.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
On my post I stated that at least 5 soldiers died in the attempts to find/rescue him. Last night I heard a tally as high as 14 .
IBD also asks : How many Americans lost their lives in the pursuit and capture of these jihadists? How many Afghan and American deaths were they responsible for? How many more will die as the result of their release and their likely return to the battlefield?
Obama Swaps Taliban Terrorists For Possible Deserter Bowe Bergdahl - Investors.com
No one but me has addressed the question: was trading 5 Taliban the right thing to do to get Bergdahl back, regardless of his desertion? Never mind whether it was good or bad for PR, or why the administration failed to inform Congress - would you have made the same trade?
I wouldn't have traded a moldy loaf of bread for him.
The moldy loaf of bread has far more value and use.
I addressed it in my posting on this subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebaines
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ay-793481.html
In my view ,this was a 'wag the dog' deflection gone bad.
So you would have condemned him without trial. Seems par for the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
He walked off guard duty in a combat zone (that warrants the death penalty under UCMJ code)... left his weapon behind.. as well as a note that he was leaving. He convicted himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebaines
Also keep in mind he was NOT euqal in value to 5 Taliban commanders. He was a grunt with less than a years service.
and here's a blast from the past circa August 2010 .....
A captured American soldier is training Taliban fighters bomb-making and ambush skills, according to one of his captors and Afghan intelligence officials.
Private Bowe Bergdahl disappeared in June 2009 while based in eastern Afghanistan and is thought to be the only U.S. serviceman in captivity.
The 24-year-old has converted to Islam and now has the Muslim name Abdullah, one of his captors told The Sunday Times.
Bowe Bergdahl: Taliban claim captured U.S. solider is teaching fighters bomb-making skills | Mail Online
And that article ends with--Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Most of the skills he taught us we already knew,' he said. 'Some of my comrades think he's pretending to be a Muslim to save himself so they wouldn't behead him.'
A coward through and through?
His old man is doing a very convincing act pretending to be Muslim too.
I figure him as Amish or from the duck-hunter TV show. Give the dad a can of beer and a rifle and there ya go! ZZ Top was never called Muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Has anyone thought that President Drone may have some means of keeping track of these "commanders?" The GPS trackers for the guns from Fast and Furious are still available, I hear.
Doubt it... that would take brains and an actual thought process. Both are something this administration lacks.
did you hear his comments at the White House Rose Garden ? He spoke flawless Pashto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Sporting a long, bushy beard that [Bob Bergdahl] refused to trim since his son went missing in 2009, Bob Bergdahl spoke Pashto, Afghanistan's main language, and also a few words of Arabic at the White House press conference announcing his son's release...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
In a Rolling Stone magazine article last year, Mr Bergdahl said he kept in contact with a Taliban source who claimed to know where his son was.
He also said he had learned a great deal about Afghan politics. He learned to speak a few words of Pashto and Arabic so he could record a 2011 video message to his son's captors.
Read more: Bob Bergdahl learned Pashto, grew beard and adopted liberal views after son's capture | Mail Online
and my son speaks Urdu what conclusions should I draw from that? This choice may be sensible since his son appears to have forgotten how to speak english, a form of taliban brainwashing no doubt
Except that speech specialists... say it takes significantly longer than five years for a person to lose their native language.
How did he get the rank of Sargeant? He was a private, how many times didQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama promote him?
Bergdahl needed to be brought back for his court-martial. Everything they're saying about him was said about John McCain in VietNam. Supposedly Bergdahl's father sucked up to the Terrorists to keep his kid alive. I'd do the same for mine.
The horrible part is that the Marine in Mexico will have to wait on the next White House scandal to be released as a distraction. The good news is it should only be a few more weeks.
good question ;he received field promotions while a captive.. strange indeed since the emperor and the military I'm sure was aware of the questionable circumstances regarding his capture.
perhaps he was a CIA sleeper sent to inflitrate with an unlikely story
The CIA doesn't hire dim bulbs like him.
Amid the dim bulbs of the CIA how could you tell the difference, these are the guys who didn't see 9/11 coming, who couldn't find Bin Laden, who got themselves killed in Benghazi
Clete... the reason the CIA didn't see it coming is because the FBI and the NSA were legally PREVENTED from talking to each other or exchanging data due to a law enacted under Bill Clinton. That prevented the entire picture from forming so to speak.
That's not something I say... that's what the 9/11 commission concluded.
The only idiots in the CIA or NSA are presidential appointments.....all the rest have some very high hurdles to meet to get hired. (I'm not talking contractors....but direct employees).
Still waiting for the official record of the soldiers performance before he allegedly deserted and if he was such a lousy screw up why he wasn't sent home.
one thing for sure .... the emperor will have him locked away for "medical reasons " for the balance of his reign.
“Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is just days into what could be months or years of recovery.”
It Could Be Years Until Sgt. Bergdahl Makes It Home - TIME
MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski: Why Would Susan Rice Repeatedly Say Bergdahl Served Honorably? | Video | RealClearPoliticsQuote:
The question about his health, it’s a controversy. Why, then, also given his background and everything that we are finding from people who served with him and people who have covered this story and letters that he’s written home — why would Susan Rice be sent out, Susan Rice, be sent out repeatedly to say he served honorably and really push that as one the fundamental reasons behind this swap?
The false narratives about his poor health, and his heroic record were all manufactured to serve cover for the real reason for the Berghdal swap . The emperor did not care about getting him released as much he wanted to get the Taliban 5 released as an opening salvo in his effort to close Gitmo.
What the Bergdahl Story is Really About: Gitmo - NBC News
I'm convinced that the emperor also paid a ransom on top of the release too. He used Qatar as the middleman in the exchange .... the same Qatar that gave Stingers to the Taliban that were supposed to go to the anti QDaffy rebels in Libya.
How the Taliban got their hands on modern US missiles | New York Post
US sees 2014 progress in freeing Guantanamo inmatesQuote:
Moves to free detainees from the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay are gathering pace as the administration works to close the notorious jail, a top US official said Thursday.“There are a significant number of transfers in the pipeline at various stages and I think you’re going to be seeing substantial progress this year,” the senior administration official said, amid a furor over the release of five Taliban prisoners for a captured US soldier in Afghanistan.
How many bribes will it take to clear out the prisoners?
The Slimes, sinking to new lows today ,reported that it wasn't Bergdahl ....it was his platoon that was F'd up.Quote:
Still waiting for the official record of the soldiers performance before he allegedly deserted and if he was such a lousy screw up why he wasn't sent home.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/us...ref=world&_r=0
There are what, 155 left? At 5 per distraction, I don't think the country can survive getting them all out.Quote:
How many bribes will it take to clear out the prisoners?
Tal... you didn't give Bush or Cheney that same benefit of the doubt.
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