a Chinese american thinks that some races are better than others and uses the american experience as justification for these opinions. She thinks asians are a superior race or races and she bases these assumptions on parenting methods. It is difficult to argue against the argument that nurture makes the difference, excepting of course, that the argument has been couched in racial terms. Now we all remember that there was a race who had such ideas and the end result was they were proven wrong, their supposed superiority led them on the wrong path

Tiger Mum: Some races are just better than others | News.com.au

So let's ignite the argument, how does your race fair in the racial stakes. I personally think opportunity is what makes the difference. a person without education has little opportunity to shine

Let me see Chinese parenting skills.?

At 3 years of age, the child is placed in a kindergarten from about 7 am to 6 pm every evening. Then the child will go to elementary school where there are about 60 children to a classroom with one teacher. The classrooms are small and crowded. They are in school from about 630 or 7 am till 630 to 8 pm every day. 6 days a week.

At middle school about 1/2 the children live on campus, and will go to school till about 9pm every night.

The ones that do go home, have so much home work, they are doing school work every night till 10 or 11.

High school, if they pass the test to go, ( they have a required test to go to high school) is just a repeat of the same for middle school.

Of course often dad works out of town and is seldom home.

Chinese parents do not raise their children, the school system does. In talking to my college students, few really know their parents, about 1/3 were raised by grandparents since mother and father worked,

Chinese children are raised by "society" and government rules in school.
If that is the best parenting model,? Well I guess that is what America is trying to do also.

So schooling is a way of life and in such a system you do well to survive, Chuck I doubt this is what your system seeks to achieve. However there is no nurture in the chinese system, but you speak of the chinese system in communist China, not the chinese system in capitalist america as does the article cited. As I said earlier what we have here is a racist view, a justification for why certain students do well. In the society in which I live students from a asian background do well too, and I suspect that has more to do with a migrant background than it does with ethnicity, since I'm no slouch and my ancestors were Irish. I also note that students from an indigenous background don't do well and that is definately down to nurtute

You might be onto something with the "migrant background," Clete, inasmuch as the migrant has already shown more initiative than natives in migrating. Even refugees took that initiative, if out of desperation rather than ambition. That sort of initiative will show up in a work ethic and will be absorbed at least somewhat by the children of those migrants.

I seriously doubt race has anything to do with it.

The Chinese here in China, believe they are the best parents, we hear it all the time, they tell us, that chinese parents love their children more.

Now with that, everything in their life is geared at passing certain tests. They must pass a test to get into high school, they must past a test to get into college. For the right jobs, they must have stacks of certificates to prove they passed classes.

So parents must pay money for these tests or for extra training, so the work and save. For example, they may earn 2000 RMB a month and will save to they can buy their child a 7000 RMB computer.

They view how many tutors and how many training classes the child takes as how well they are loved.

The Chinese lack creativity (except perhaps the risk takers who emigrate ).Our innovators are the rebels who ignore the education system and all the preconceived assumptions that go with it.Amy Chua's children will be excellent cogs in the machine.

Yes, the standard method, and is accepted in high school and many Chinese university, is if you write a paper, you find one on internet and just copy it. They could not understand, failing in our classes if they did that.
But my first question, to them is "what is your dream" yep, to be a good student, to get a college degree and enter society as a productive member" that is about 99 percent of them.

We work hard trying to teach them anything is possible. To give them the ability to think.

opportunism will not serve them well, it will produce a race of clones. Facts are only important if you can employ them, don't they understand that you gain wisdom through the application of knowledge

Mormons are a race?

yes I found that interesting, obviously their isolation in Utah produced something in the Chinese mindset. Again mormons prove the nurture argument

I believe the premise was about cultures, not races.

Well you may be right although that wasn't as clear

Not by the headline, but this was clear:

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In a new book, The Triple Package, Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, argue that some "cultural" groups of people are superior to everyone else.

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Either way, she sounds like a wacko.

We could take her argument and argue that Christian culture is superior to Muslim culture but we both know we would be speaking about caucasian and arab peoples. We could use the same argument when speaking about Judaism and Islam but we both know we would be speaking about the differences between two semetic peoples. Chua clearly thinks the jewish race is superior without mentioning the arab. these are the same sort or arguments Hitler used and we should be cautious about any person who puts forth these opinions

Okie dokie, you stay on top of it. I personally intend to ignore the wacko lady.

I tend to agree with Speech on this one since there is but one race of human on the earth, and fools who claim superiority are stupid, and should be ignored as long as they don't cross the lines of good behavior that is discrimination based on race. Or any other man made difference.

yes, but you see we have learned the lesson of not ignoring dangerous people or at least some of us have. Islamic fundamentalists and extremists were ignored until their actions demanded action, Hitler was ignored until his actions demanded action, I put Chua in the same category

Obama thinks his drop in the polls just might be because he's black.

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Obama’s election was one of the great markers in the black freedom struggle. In the electoral realm, ironically, the country may be more racially divided than it has been in a generation. Obama lost among white voters in 2012 by a margin greater than any victor in American history. The popular opposition to the Administration comes largely from older whites who feel threatened, underemployed, overlooked, and disdained in a globalized economy and in an increasingly diverse country. Obama’s drop in the polls in 2013 was especially grave among white voters. “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President,” Obama said. “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black President.” The latter group has been less in evidence of late.

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That just might be true, but then they didn't support him to begin with so I don't follow how that adds to a drop in his approval ratings. Regardless, it's rather pathetic for the President of the United States to play the race card. You lied to us, big time. You look increasingly incompetent, we're certainly not happy about your healthcare overhaul, the economy barely drags along still and your foreign policy is incoherent. What's not to love?

wouldn't that factor already been accounted for ? Did the number of people who dislike him because of his race increase recently ? If his poll numbers were to go up would that mean fewer dislike hime over race ?

Apparently a bunch of folks that previously supported him just realized they don't like him because he's black, not because he lied to them and screwed up their insurance.

We all know race is but one factor, more important to some than others. Fact is republican lawmakers in Washington have lower numbers than the Prez, or the democrats, on a national level.

OK, but how do you get lower approval numbers because of people who didn't like him in the first place? You don't, his drop in approval has nothing to do with race.

all the drop in approval is measuring is the poor perceived performance of government. perhaps it is a measure of his ability to convince his political opponents of the wisdom of his program or the ineptitude of his advisers. He is destined to spend six years of his presidency as a lame duck

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all the drop in approval is measuring is the poor perceived performance of government. perhaps it is a measure of his ability to convince his political opponents of the wisdom of his program or the ineptitude of his advisers. He is destined to spend six years of his presidency as a lame duck

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Yep, but nothing is ever his fault. "Damn that Bush, damn those racists, damn those bitter clingers, damn those Republicans and Tea Partiers and Fox News - if it weren't for them everything would AWESOME."

There is only one thing that might be his fault, the ACA but because there wasn't a proper path for the passage of the legislation where the bugs could be debated and disposed of he can blame others. The opposition to his tenue and program has been very effective, but he is afflicted with the chinese curse; to live in interesting times or pehaps in this case to lead in interesting times and I can only reflect that perhaps wiser heads left him to it

To use a racing term; one out, one back and could that describe Kerry

The first part has nothing to do with race but the left's liar Texas hero who doesn't stand a chance actually said her paraplegic opponent "hasn't walked a day in my shoes. " The racist part is the NAACP calling North Carolina's black senator, the first black senator from the south in 130 years, a "ventriloquist’s dummy. "

Wendy Davis Slams Paraplegic Opponent: 'Hasn't Walked a Day in My Shoes' | National Review Online

Tim Scott responds to NAACP's insults | The Daily Caller

Come on guys, stop pretending you give a crap about diversity, racial harmony, tolerance and sensitivity, because you're full of BS if you can't condemn this ignorant bullsh*t.

Satan has more favorible poll numbers than Obama has. THe voters that put him into office have awoken from their commas.

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Come on guys, stop pretending you give a crap about diversity, racial harmony, tolerance and sensitivity, because you're full of BS if you can't condemn this ignorant bullsh*t.

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Speech, all I can give about that is a crap, it is an agenda to subvert. I'm not against minorities persee, they can take their place in society without getting special treatment

Democrats are a coalition of minority groups, made possible by republican BS!! They run from what you guys are cooking.

hey tal I'm not cooking anything, I'm very middle of the road. If you are saying they are running from responsibility, I can buy that. They always have a reason why they can't succeed and it isn't their "fault". I'm not saying discrimination doesn't happen but it happens much less than they might think. The election of Obama proves what I'm saying, maybe his race worked for him, maybe it did not, but I expect it will be a cold day in hell before another "black" man strides the stage, been there, done that

Let's now play the race card in a different form. How stupid can you get? well I don't know if there is a reference point but we may just have found it

Anger in NT community after circumcision rite ends with three boys airlifted to hospital - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

call it race, call it culture, I don't know where you draw the line, but criminal neglegence must come pretty close. if this happened in my community there would be criminal charges, probably GBH, but because some backward people of, well let's say, ethnic origin, are involved it's culture.. We have outlawed the islamic practice of female circumcision, we should also outlaw the ritual circumcision of males, no matter who we might offend whether it be jewish, islamic or indigenous. You want it done, get a doctor. I seriously think some ethnic or cultural practices in a modern society should be outlawed, and this isn't sour grapes it is common sense and to think that supposedly responsible public employees are involved...................

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Obviously you agree with the NAACP. A black can't be black unless he carries your water. ThInk about it.

You do the same thing to those that YOU want to carry YOUR water. But don't in your view. Maybe not you personally but your side certainly does. Doesn't change the FACT that minorities groups run from your side in great numbers.

Nor the TParty push for more far right wing representation. It's so far been easier locally, than nationally. You have a right to rail against liberals and progressives and the NAACP, and we can rail against YOUR side, individuals and groups. It's the American way.

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Really? That would be fun to see you prove, but this has nothing to do with criticizing our own as in alleged conservatives not acting like conservatives. It's about race and gender, something you're BORN with. Only YOUR side disparages blacks and women as not black or female enough if they dare not think like you - while PRETENDING to be all about diversity.

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But don't in your view. Maybe not you personally but your side certainly does. Doesn't change the FACT that minorities groups run from your side in great numbers

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I'd rather maintian my integrity than sucker and lie my way into making minorities and women slaves to my party and government. THat's what you do.

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Nor the TParty push for more far right wing representation. It's so far been easier locally, than nationally. You have a right to rail against liberals and progressives and the NAACP, and we can rail against YOUR side, individuals and groups. It's the American way.

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So you do claim the right to be racist when it suits you. I knew it.

The Democrat party can't possibly be more leftist than the Current President.

JFK is spinning in his grave in Arlington over what the Democrat party has become.

I don't think you have clear left/right distinctions over there except at the margins. I cannot see Obama as leftist just because he supports health care or regulation of firearms or because he has spent too much money. He isn't a warmonger, that is to be applauded. You have some big issues that need to be dealt with and until you have bipartisan support it doesn't matter which way he leans

THose are both policies ONLY embraced by the far left...

Hitler was a gun control proponent... history shows why.

Obama IS a warmonger...more people died in wars under his reign than under Bush....he is also makes drunken sailors look fiscally responsible.

WHat did those fools do... emergency foreskin reattachment? Talk about Frankenwienie!!!!!!!! Cripes... circumcision doesn't scar men for life... and it doesnhurt their ability to have sex in any way shape or form... and as such its very, VERY different than female circumcision which is meant to deprive the woman from getting any enjoyment during sex so some socially impared (usually muslim) mental midget won't have to fear his wife is getting her jollies with the guy down the street that pays her attention.

smoothy you are a historical revisionist. Hitler was not far left but far right, you forget he opposed communism and used a capitalist industrial base to further his warmongering

Obama hasn't started any wars, he is working to end the wars started by others, such as George Bush

Obama didn't cause the GFC he inherited it from Bush

The things you blame him for where committed by Bush and are in response to the way Bush handled issues

You can blame Obama for the ACA, you can blame Obama for QE but you can't blame him for those other things

No I doubt that, stem the bleeding would be my guess. What did they do, fail to realise young men arn't children, fail to understand anatomy, fail to care. As I said you want to do these things, get a doctor and do the job properly. I think other forms of abuse in initiation should be outlawed too, it is time we came in from the stone age and its thinking, whether that be indigenous, muslim or anyone else who thinks mutilation is fun