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  • Oct 18, 2013, 06:25 AM
    excon
    Civil war on the right
    Hello:

    People like Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, the Birthers, and the shut it down group, have been the TAIL wagging the dog. Up till now, the dog didn't seem to mind.

    Now, it appears they DO mind, and they wanna break up. How's it gonna work out?

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2013, 06:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    So because Palin made a remark that means they want to break up? I still say the more interesting part of that is the comments section, the lefties are waging a vicious war on a woman.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 06:45 AM
    excon
    Hello Steve:
    Quote:

    So because Palin made a remark that means they want to break up?
    She may sway YOUR opinion, but she doesn't sway mine. Generally speaking, I make my political prognostications based on MY political acumen, and MINE alone. I don't need anybody else.

    So, indulge me. I COULD be wrong.. After all, I was wrong once last year.

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2013, 07:16 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Steve:
    She may sway YOUR opinion, but she doesn't sway mine. Generally speaking, I make my political prognostications based on MY political acumen, and MINE alone. I don't need anybody else.

    So, indulge me. I COULD be wrong.. After all, I was wrong once last year.

    excon

    You drafted Dwane Bowe.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 07:17 AM
    tomder55
    The old guard needs to retire or be primaried . They didn't mind the conservatives when they led them back to a majority in the House in 2010. What did they expect? that they wouldn't actually attempt to do what they campaigned for ?
    That's not the way it works any more .The established elite ruling class doesn't always get it's way... just ask Evita.
    They sound shrill in their condemnation of Cruz. They would never think of speaking that way to a Dem. Listen to McCain talk about a Dem... it's all "my friend ...my collegue.." Then he says Cruz is "wackadoodle " .
    The nastier they get, the more it demonstrates how scared they are of the American people holding every elected official accountable. It's not surprising the Washington establishment pushes back. They have vested interest in the status quo . It's there where they thrive while pretending to be public servants .

    If you don't think Palin has an impact ,then just look at NJ where Lonegan made a close race of the special Senate election in a state where the emperor ,and Lautenberg romped not long ago. Palin campaigned for him the weekend before the election ,and the poll #s started closing . She certainly did more for a NJ Republican candidate than Christie did (who went out of his way to ensure a win for Booker ) .
    Like I said on another posting... the repubic establishment is way too content in losing a fight .
  • Oct 18, 2013, 07:23 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    You said, what I said.. So, how's it gonna play out? Primary's ONLY. That'll give you the House again, and MAYBE even the Senate, at the cost of the presidency FOREVER.

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2013, 07:38 AM
    tomder55
    nahh there aint no thing as "forever " in politics. 2004 the Rovians were talking about a permanent repubic majority too.

    I hate having to re edit the edits . clearly I didn't use a capital letter ...I used the word aint ,and I intentionally used the word republic . What is the point of this automatic spell checker !!!!!!??????
  • Oct 18, 2013, 08:04 AM
    excon
    Hello tom:
    Quote:

    What is the point of this automatic spell checker !!!!!!??????
    Make your complaints here.

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2013, 09:08 AM
    talaniman
    LOL, replacing one loony for another one ain't gonna move us forward, it will just make us hostages to crazy people. Replacing sane people with loony people ain't a solution either.

    But not being a conservative or a loony, I just watch the free circus and its getting hard to tell the clowns from the loony's to be honest. But for sure I ain't buying Palin, or Cruze's version of the "American" people because they are LOONYS.

    Most Americans are not. But there doesn't seem to be enough rational republicans to neutralize the loonys, but I doubt the younger republicans will be lead by the nose by the nut jobs. Bottom line, I expect more hollering and more loony behavior until true conservatives figure out how to govern responsibly and get the crazies to follow along.

    The shutdown should have taught republicans to not let the loony's call the shots. Better get 'em under control in the primary. If they survive a general look out because that's when the trouble starts so abort them in the primary. I think you guys are wondering how.

    HINT - You get what you pay for.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 09:13 AM
    tomder55
    You talk about hollering... but every time I read one of your rants I envision you bug eyed and spittle drooling .
  • Oct 18, 2013, 09:21 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You talk about hollering... but every time I read one of your rants I envision you bug eyed and spittle drooling .

    Not Tal bug eyed and spittle drooling, but the loonies being that way.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 09:33 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Not Tal bug eyed and spittle drooling, but the loonies being that way.

    Not only do I envision my friend Tal bug-eyed and spittle drooling, I see veins popping out everywhere. It's like watching MSNBC.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You talk about hollering... but every time I read one of your rants I envision you bug eyed and spittle drooling .

    Your envision needs revision, a simple enough adjustment. My daily routine has little time for being bug eyed, or to drool. But it's very amusing when you righties go nuts trying to convince sane pragmatic people that you aren't NUTS.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 10:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Your envision needs revision, a simple enough adjustment. My daily routine has little time for being bug eyed, or to drool. But it's very amusing when you righties go nuts trying to convince sane pragmatic people that you aren't NUTS.

    Ya know the villain in this, Sen Cruz, has been a gentleman throughout. What's the media's excuse? What's Democrats' excuse?

    Quote:

    “Do you think Ted Cruz is a bit like the David Koresh of the Republican Party? He’s a bit like a character who believes himself to be anointed, believes himself to be a prophet, ignores everything and torches the place in the process,” Mr. Bashir said during his show.
    Now see I find that amusing coming from the network that gets thrills over the Messiah, but it's just one more example of everyone from liberal media types to Democratic congress members and the White House itself likening the GOP to terrorists, accusing them of waging jihad and anarchy. Read the comments on ex's link, it's VICIOUS!

    You may not like Cruz or his politics, but the incivility from the left is breathtaking and it is your side intentionally portraying the GOP as loony extremists. Enough already, we can disagree, we can mock each other's guys even, but enough of this liberal vitriol spewing from every corner.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 10:34 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    but the incivility from the left is breathtaking and it is your side intentionally portraying the GOP as loony extremists
    The hypocrisy is striking. The very things you decry as incivilty are the exact things you do here every day!
    Quote:

    He’s a bit like a character who believes himself to be anointed, believes himself to be a prophet, ignores everything and torches the place in the process
    Those are the same sentiments you righties spout here repeatedly about Obama. You guys are nuts if you don't see that.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The hypocrisy is striking. The very things you decry as incivilty are the exact things you do here every day!

    Those are the same sentiments you righties spout here repeatedly about Obama. You guys are nuts if you don't see that.

    No NK, you are part of the problem, sniping from the sidelines with unsubstantiated bullsh*t like this then whining when you get b*tch slapped back. Repeating your same lie over and over does not make it any more closer to the truth.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:10 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    Ya know the villain in this, Sen Cruz, has been a gentleman throughout.
    He's been a perfect peach, all the while trying to destroy our lovely nation... Oh, how could those Democrats have been so nasty?

    excon
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:13 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    He's been a perfect peach, all the while trying to destroy our lovely nation...

    I wish he was better looking. He has that "lean and hungry look" Shakespeare wrote about. Wonder what he is hungry for.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:18 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    He's been a perfect peach, all the while trying to destroy our lovely nation... Oh, how could those Democrats have been so nasty?

    excon

    That's some disconnect, trying to get our fiscal house in order and avoid the ill-conceived, ill-planned, disastrously executed health care travesty is "trying to destroy our lovely nation?' I think you have that all backwards.Who exactly is going to pay our debt and how?
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:20 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Ya know the villain in this, Sen Cruz, has been a gentleman throughout. What's the media's excuse? What's Democrats' excuse?



    Now see I find that amusing coming from the network that gets thrills over the Messiah, but it's just one more example of everyone from liberal media types to Democratic congress members and the White House itself likening the GOP to terrorists, accusing them of waging jihad and anarchy. Read the comments on ex's link, it's VICIOUS!

    You may not like Cruz or his politics, but the incivility from the left is breathtaking and it is your side intentionally portraying the GOP as loony extremists. Enough already, we can disagree, we can mock each other's guys even, but enough of this liberal vitriol spewing from every corner.

    Don't get all bug eyed and drool spittle and make those veins pop out. What part of throw rocks and they get thrown back have you yet to understand? You want civil, be civil, and that's what I will do. Until then, I suggest you duck when you chunk.

    Play the tape of the last 5 years from you guys and save the civil thoughtful parts. WHA? There are no civil parts? Shocking, simply shocking!

    > Insult has been self censored, NO drool, NO spittle, NO popping veins<
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    you are part of the problem, sniping from the sidelines with unsubstantiated bullsh*t like this then whining when you get b*tch slapped back.
    Such vitriol. And such a perfect example of the hypocrisy. Lowest common denominator vocabulary. I can see you foaming at the mouth.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Such vitriol. And such a perfect example of the hypocrisy. Lowest common denominator vocabulary. I can see you foaming at the mouth.

    Right on cue, thanks for validating my point.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 11:32 AM
    NeedKarma
    If you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem.
    You're welcome for the validation.
  • Oct 18, 2013, 06:30 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    If you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem.
    You're welcome for the validation.

    What, no room for fence sitters?
  • Oct 19, 2013, 04:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What, no room for fence sitters?

    Plenty of room for meaningless clichés.
  • Oct 19, 2013, 06:15 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Plenty of room for meaningless clichés.

    Yes you certainly seem to have penchant for that
  • Oct 21, 2013, 06:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    I changed my mind.. I USED to think the Tea Party destroyed itself during this last fiasco.. Now, I think the GOP (ordinary Republicans) destroyed ITSELF. The Tea Party is the new norm on the right.

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2013, 06:31 AM
    talaniman
    Republicans needed votes so the had to lay down the red meat to lead the TParty to the polls. Now the loony's are hooked on the red meat crazy talk and actually think they are going to lead and NOT just follow.

    Now they have to keep feeding them, or be eaten alive by their own creation. You heard Ted and Sarah. They are coming to get you fake conservatives who refused to light their torch to burn America to the ground. They ain't taking NO for an answer.

    What are you going to do about it?
  • Oct 21, 2013, 06:35 AM
    tomder55
    Not yet but it's happening . We will see. The leadership is saying "never again" . They don't mean never again getting brow beat and out played by the emperor . They mean never again will they allow the base of the party to make party policy .

    Next round will be even tougher because the emperor will take the country to the brink again, so he can reverse the sequester cuts. If the party doesn't stay united in preserving the cuts then the party will lose all they gained. Bonehead probably saved his neck for now . But there are a whole bunch in the Senate who need to take a fresh look at their right flank come next year .
  • Oct 21, 2013, 06:49 AM
    talaniman
    Government by fear, probably doesn't work very well or is good at finding a true consensus. For sure its obvious that this country won't be a majority far right wing country, no matter the ambitions and actions of Ted, and Sarah.

    Good luck getting enough people to follow those loons. Good luck getting that third party. Coalitions are what will survive in the political system and governance arena. Not just hollering. Stop the noise and the world will be PEACEFUL.
  • Oct 21, 2013, 07:09 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    Next round will be even tougher because the emperor will take the country to the brink again, so he can reverse the sequester cuts.
    As an aside, when the sequester was negotiated, right wingers AGREED with the left that the sequester was BAD for everybody. That's why they THOUGHT they could get a budget deal, because the alternative was soooooo bad...

    But, you guys LIKE the sequester... Were you lying when it was negotiated?

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2013, 07:19 AM
    tomder55
    I don't recall ever saying the sequesters were a bad thing.. I'll look up my thoughts when they happened.
  • Oct 21, 2013, 07:29 AM
    tomder55
    Here are my earliest observations about the sequester (an idea I remind you that the emperor 1st forwared )

    Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - The sequester

    Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - The sequester
  • Oct 21, 2013, 07:36 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Since we have sarcasm font, we need a euphemism font.

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2013, 07:49 AM
    talaniman
    You can't count Tom. A 20% across the board cut of a weak economy that is only at 2% growth itself, is a too fast contraction for any adjustments to be made and increases unemployment on an already weak cash strapped citizenry. Put people before profits and deficits and create 30 million good paying jobs and you got a full recovery.

    Give 'em welfare, or give 'em wages. Give 'em neither and they have little choice but to take whatever they can. Even yours. The good news is you won't have anything to take by then. That's what the sequester is all about, to think of how to best expand the flow of money. Fix the spigot that stops the trickle you supply siders have falsely touted.

    As the population grows, so must the economy to support them. SIMPLE MATH!
  • Oct 21, 2013, 08:11 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    [B]As the population grows, so must the economy to support them. SIMPLE MATH!

    What do libs know about simple math?
  • Oct 21, 2013, 08:13 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    What do libs know about simple math?
    Lemme see. We knew that right wingers would get blamed for shutting down the government.. You didn't. That's like 2 + 2..

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2013, 08:19 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    What do libs know about simple math?

    Enough to know you don't have enough right wing votes to change a damn thing but you have enough noise to break the peace.

    Ignoring the math doesn't make you smart. Listening to Ted, and Sarah doesn't make you smart either. Following their example does make you dumb though, big time. Take back your brain, and the rest of the country will listen, if not follow.
  • Oct 21, 2013, 08:40 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Enough to know you don't have enough right wing votes to change a damn thing but you have enough noise to break the peace.

    Ignoring the math doesn't make you smart. Listening to Ted, and Sarah doesn't make you smart either. Following their example does make you dumb though, big time. Take back your brain, and the rest of the country will listen, if not follow.

    As opposed, listening to Obama, Dingy and Mimi? Bwa ha ha!

    Here's some numbers for you.
  • Oct 22, 2013, 01:40 PM
    speechlesstx
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    It's not unexpectedly come to this. From Alan "Republicans want you to die quickly" Grayson's latest fundraising effort, "now you know what the "T" stands for" in Tea Party.

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