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China calls for 'de-Americanised' world economy in wake of US shutdown, debt stand-off - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
The world has finally said we have had enough of irresponsible behaviour after having caused the GFC and trying it on for a second time, the message is loud and clear
The Chinese have been calling for a de-Americanised world for years . Does this mean that when the debt limit and shut down is resolved that the Chi-coms will again embrace America ? Maybe the world will instead embrace their potamkin economy.
Tom you fail to see reality, they have much to loose if your government defaults or your currency takes a serious hit. They don't like the exposure because they understand the irrationality of your actions and they are a serious trading partner so it will have big impact on their economy if there is another economic decline. Now seriously they are not the only ones with much to loose. Germany and Japan are also very nervious and so are the Saudis. You may not think this is of much consequence, but you are not alone in this world and you no longer rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
They will be paid .their holding of our debt is not in danger . Maybe we should make their phony currency ,the Yuan Renminbi the reserve currency ? Bwaaaaahaaaahaaaaa !
You would think that if they wanted to protect their investment then they would support strong dollar fiscal conservative types who are trying to reign in excess US spending .
Instead they love the emperor... who agrees that the world should be de-Americanized, and who is trying to de-Americanize America.
Hello tom:
If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin to become the next worlds currency.Quote:
Maybe we should make their phony currency ,the Yuan Renminbi the reserve currency ?
Excon
The dollar is already destroyed . It has been since Bernanke adopted a weak dollar policy and started monopoly money QE pump priming .
Right, what could go wrong there?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Let's think about that . Since the end of WWII the US has been the guarantor of many things... The economies of the world ,the free shipping of commerce .The security of many nations have been subsidized by the US taxpayer ,leaving them free to spend minimally on their own security while they invested instead in their failed nanny state social systems.Quote:
Now seriously they are not the only ones with much to loose. Germany and Japan are also very nervious and so are the Saudis. You may not think this is of much consequence, but you are not alone in this world and you no longer rule.
What China means by a de-Americanized world is a world dominated by China... they certainly isn't talking about a new Aussie era... or any other combination of Western nations.
LOL, funny you say that, my next door neighbor here in CHINA, is a Aussie.
Fiscal conservative types cannot add, read polls, and have a broken business model they worship. Less spending and more austerity equals contraction of everybody's economy. That's the result of this trickle down experiment that has failed over and over again, and led to one economic crisis after another.
You are exporting chaos and uncertainty to the world, by holding on to the notion you can destroy what the majority wants, and keep what you want as you shrink to noisy minority status. The few ruling the many will FAIL.
Oh the irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Another example that trickle down economics is a FAILURE. QE would have worked better being directed at MAIN STREET, instead of the already rich hoarders, and thieves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Conservatives are being lead astray by no nothing wingers, and greedy self serving pirates. But without TParty votes and enthusiasm, there is no republican party. And you know it.
What's funny is that you still think Keynesian pump priming works at all.
Sure it does, and keeps rich guys honest with higher taxes. That's why you guys hate it. You can't hoard as much and have to work for your money.
You would rather lie, and call yourselves job creators. Profit and cheap labor is your bread and butter, and "normal business cycle downturns".
You want to spur small business, you have to buy stuff. Progressives ain't buying your right wing BS, and your fear of the loony's.
Yes Chuck we get around Tom doesn't realise we own more than half the uranium reserves in the US as well as our own vast deposits. We have a very real stake here Tom small though we are your pump priming has done serious damage to our export industries and it must be so for others too. We also need to ditch the american dollar standard to bring stability in pricingQuote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
What do you have in mind ? The Bung Buck ?Quote:
We also need to ditch the american dollar standard to bring stability in pricing
Well, Tom it doesn't take a genius to see the system is broken and that the US cannot be responsible in maintaining the stability of the currency being used as an international standard of payment. We have tried various standards, the Gold standard, Sterling and the US dollar, none have stood the test of time so what it takes is the value of each currency to be pegged to an international standard. Perhaps a trade weighted basket of international debt so that no country can manipulate its currency as the US has done in recent years. This would of course mean that the US, with the greatest debt, would have the lowest valued currency and would be forced to get its house in order or recognise that it too is a banana republicQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Fix the broken business model that we have exported to the rest of the world. Tie corporate taxes to wages and employment. Higher taxes for job creators who don't create good jobs. Lower ones for those that do.
Conservatives are trying to get the fiscal house in order . It 's the libs that want to increase spending and build up the debt . The latest from the emperor is that he won't agree to a deal that leaves the sequester intactQuote:
and would be forced to get its house in order or recognise that it too is a banana republic
Fables, your politicians don't want less pork, they just want different pork. Obama no doubt realises the damage caused by cuts to certain programs but the whole thing is a question of scale, such as your military and these ridiculous QE programs. The day of reckoning is at hand and it means that you need higher taxes to get your debt in order. The reason there is squeeling about Obamacare is that it is in effect a tax. The sequester is the result of a do nothing Congress the last time these issues were faced and if he is calling for a complete overhaul then that is responsible but it cannot be done in crisis. I would agree you probably need a bigger sequester or sunset of a number of programs. I hear that the proposal is to put some sort of short term fix in place. Been there, Done that! Don't you have any new ideas or is it because the place is run by tired old menQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Bitcoin has already had its troubles and people have been arrested for it. Its just another way to move around pretend money.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The answer, now to find the question
It seems the source of the problems in Washington have been found. I think it is called the Peter Principle. Basicly; people rise in the system until they reach their level of incompetence. With so many dumb people to choose from it isn't surprising that those at the top struggle
Opinion: America's problem -- we're too dumb - CNN.com
Please don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the article
I agree with that article. This nation as a whole has been dumbed down. Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?
Dad, I couldn't guess. Bush at least recognised the problem, but it takes generations to overcome a problem of poor educational outcomesQuote:
Originally Posted by cdad
You could turn it around faster by stopping all the PC crap and focusing on education and skills based schooling methods. Right now in the education system they keep shooting for the lowest denominator instead of the highest one. Also many schools have cut out programs that can teach children vocational skills including mechanics, woodworking and metalworking. They are even pushing to remove anything that is competitive or sports related. Its really sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Odd. In our system debate has shifted to the final examinations being too difficult and too broad and basicly irrelevant to anything but university entrance. There are links here between High Schools and vocational training at Technical Colleges so that students can earn course credit while completing High School. I'm not sure it is a good thing as it is seen as a path to drop out of High School without addressing the issues of why the student is struggling. We don't allow the kids to drop out anymore. You have to be in school until you are eighteen. We have just had a huge new program directed at school fundingQuote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Back when I went through the school system we actually had the vocational classes on campus. Woodshop, Metalshop and Mechanics were all done by the school system and not an outside source. In today's world there are programs that can receive college credit but are mainly supported through private / business funding like Cisco offers programs that include networking and real life certificates upon completion. It still was taught on campus too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We know repubs want to drain the public schools of funding and have. The sequester cuts education funding, and conservatives are fighting the common core concept, which raised the bar for education standards. But no we can't raise taxes on corporations that claim taxes are to high, yet pay little or no taxes, and build roads and educate the kid.. 5 percent is to much for the job creators who don't create jobs.
So schools and roads don't get funded. Cities crumble, and rural areas watch the grass grow. That's the conservative idea of a great nation?
Yes dad we had them too and still do but we had other important programs that have been sidelined, like military cadets. It's not a case of an outside source providing the programs but the programs being linked to real tertiary outcomes at a manual skills level. We are probably on the same page but we have a different attitude to things like education and health care, we consider them essential, just as infurstructure is essential. We long ago learned that the private sector isn't going to do what isn't profitable and even when they do public works for a profit motive the profits aren't there in the long termQuote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Hello again, dad:
You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..Quote:
Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?
I'm NOT sure which side went for that...
excon
Candidly, it doesn't matter to the politicians since they think they made the world and they rule it, I would like them all to evolve into what they look likeQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Not sure how this became a debate on evolution and creation but you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It's just ex shifting the goal posts so he can kick an own goal
has anyone noticed this spellchecker that is obcessed with capitalising the first letter in the posts AHHBVGGH! correct that! PC gone mad!
Could it be the device you're using?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
apparently not.
Hello again,
Let's review, shall we? Yesterday, (yes, it was ONLY yesterday) clete, and cdad were discussing EDUCATION, the dumbing down of America, and WHO is responsible for it...
I was just responding.. Isn't that what we DO here?
Excon
And I responded, you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.
Hello again, Steve, flat earther:
And, I'm responding that science ISN'T a point of view. Of course, you who DENY science WOULD say that, wouldn't you?
Excon
Come on, when did scientific community that continually gives us incorrect computer models on AGW and changes its mind on whether coffee is good or bad for you every other year become the final authority? Yeah, I deny that science is perfect. Science would deny that science is perfect. Only liberals claim it's omniscient. My doctor told me to take fish oil because it's good for me, then a couple of months ago science told me it would increase my risk of cancer significantly. What should I do, hmmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Only right wingers claim the earth was made 6,000 years ago, and we should let the children decide...Quote:
Only liberals claim it's omniscient.
And, that's going to HELP 'em score higher on college science exams. That's going to help 'em build rocket ships... DUDE!
So, BACK to cdad's post. It's clearly YOUR side who's DUMBING down this great country of ours.
Excon
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