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I received this email this morning and I now know the lunatic fringe is loose again

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For the attention of the Australian Media.

I have been doing quite a lot of research into the manipulation of weather for military purposes and I would like to invite people to read the articles provided. I have reason to believe that Hurricane Sandy and Cyclone Evan may have been manufactured (Weather Warfare). I also have reason to believe that Cyclone Oswald (2013 East Australia Floods) was also manufactured, but unfortunately I can't prove this. Cyclone Oswald occurred around the same period as Hurricane Sandy and Cyclone Evan. Take some time to read what I have written about Sandy and Evan. Hopefully what I have written will persuade people to turn their attention to this cause.

Article #1: Hurricane Sandy, Weather Warfare?
Hurricane Sandy, Weather Warfare?

Article #2: Weather modification, why we should be concerned
Weather modification, why we should be concerned

I also have reason to believe that the use of weather modification is severely effecting our climate. NASA states that:

“Even small changes in the abundance or location of clouds could change the climate more than the anticipated changes caused by greenhouse gases, human-produced aerosols, or other factors associated with global change.“

This statement suggests that weather modification has a great deal more of an effect on climate then greenhouse gases and human-produced aerosols. Why isn't this effect discussed publicly? Why isn't the effect of weather modification on climate part of the climate change debate?

Article #3: Cyclone Evan, a direct attack on Samoa and Fiji?
Cyclone Evan, a direct attack on Samoa and Fiji?

Article #4: The Environmental Modification Convention, ENMOD
The Environmental Modification Convention, ENMOD

Richard Dunn

The Resistance

I can understand an attack on the US and even Australia but Samoa and Fiji, it's a long bow, what is to be gained?

I think Richard Dunn needs to go back on whatever medications he went off.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I think whomever wrote that originally needs to go back on whatever medications they went off of.

Yes they certainly seem fixated on finding a new cause (not climate change) for unusual weather, I need to change the sensitivity of my spam filter

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Originally Posted by paraclete

yes they certainly seem fixated on finding a new cause (not climate change) for unusual weather, I need to change the sensitivity of my spam filter

Actually you just need to pay attention a little closer to what is going on. They do talk about forcing the weather to change and ways of doing so. Also it has already been proven by scientific study how clouds and contrails affect the tempratures at ground level. They are facts that can be repeated. Im not saying anyone attacked anybody but we do need to keep a leash on science and make sure it is used properly as we move into the future.

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Originally Posted by cdad

Actually you just need to pay attention alittle closer to what is going on. They do talk about forcing the weather to change and ways of doing so. Also it has already been proven by scientific study how clouds and contrails affect the tempratures at ground level. They are facts that can be repeated. Im not saying anyone attacked anybody but we do need to keep a leash on science and make sure it is used properly as we move into the future.

Without being a wet blanket, man has been trying to change weather with activities like cloud seeding, but to suggest we have the power to control the track of hurricanes and cyclones requires a leap of faith that is not suggested by the competence of any of our sciences

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Originally Posted by paraclete

without being a wet blanket, man has been trying to change weather with activities like cloud seeding, but to suggest we have the power to control the track of hurricanes and cyclones requires a leap of faith that is not suggested by the competence of any of our sciences

The way I see it is that your statement is true for today's times. But they do have technology to increase the size (rating) of a hurricane already. And when they figure out how to influence the upper atmosphere enough to change winds direction then you could in theory steer one. That is why I said what I did. We need to keep an eye on things and be openminded when it comes to science and its progression.

What would you have said if I told you 5 years ago that we (USA) would be monitoring and saving all of the communications for our citizens on a daily basis? Im sure you would have had a good laugh. But look where we are today and just think of what tomorrow brings.

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Originally Posted by cdad

The way I see it is that your statement is true for todays times. But they do have technology to increase the size (rating) of a hurricane already. And when they figure out how to influence the upper atmosphere enough to change winds direction then you could in theory steer one. That is why I said what I did. We need to keep an eye on things and be openminded when it comes to science and its progression.

What would you have said if I told you 5 years ago that we (USA) would be monitoring and saving all of the communications for our citizens on a daily basis? Im sure you would have had a good laugh. But look where we are today and just think of what tomorrow brings.

HAARP and other sundry nightmares, you have sure lost the plot if you think this is a good thing

I'll put on my tin foil hat... The National Hurricane center accurately predicted Sandy's path... ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh!! This flies in the face of their traditionally inaccurate predictions of heavy hurricane seasons like they predicted for this year. (I'd show you the actual forecast ,but the web site has been deemed non-essential )
NOAA Status Alert

Then again ;given their prediction ,perhaps some of their activities are non-essential .
2013 hurricane season quiet, but not over, experts warn | NOLA.com

It isn't over yet... they can save themselves by firing up ole - HAARPy

Better get used to it, in spite of the science that says we aren't warming the IPCC says our only hope is geo-engineering the climate. What could go wrong?

Evidently the working group report that came out this week differed from the political summary that was trumpetted last week.It says they have no data from which to express strong confidence in anything. The climate stopped warming 15 years ago; stalled; now cooler in some places. None of the IPCC models successfully predicted that. In fact, plug the models in to 1900 and they still don't predict what we already know occurred.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

HAARP and other sundry nightmares, you have sure lost the plot if you think this is a good thing

What I had said was that we need to keep an eye on things so nobody gets the idea of going there. Science is moving at a much faster pace then we can understand. That's not a bad thing but bad things can come from it. That is why we need to be diligent and keep our eyes open. It may not be happening now but 20 or 30 years from know and who knows. Strech back to the 80's and look where we are now. Technology is booming around us.

No more Manhattan projects, well I don't see how we can stop it, like the Sorcerer's Apprentice we always mess with things we don't understand and then say OOPS!

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Originally Posted by paraclete

no more Manhattan projects, well I don't see how we can stop it, like the Sorcerer's Apprentice we alwyas mess with things we don't understand and then say OOPS!

I know and imagine how the Swiss feel.

Sorry, I must have missed something. What do the Swiss have to do with it?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

sorry, I must have missed something. What do the Swiss have to do with it?

Ring any bells for you now ?

The Large Hadron Collider | CERN

Lol

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Originally Posted by cdad

Ring any bells for you now ?

The Large Hadron Collider | CERN

lol

Still not on the same page are you suggesting the collider is used to manipulate weather?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

still not on the same page are you suggesting the collider is used to manipulate weather?

No, Im saying that its one of those places where science can have an Opps. And the world will know. Like you were saying earlier.

Originally Posted by paraclete
no more Manhattan projects, well I don't see how we can stop it, like the Sorcerer's Apprentice we alwyas mess with things we don't understand and then say OOPS!

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Originally Posted by cdad

No, Im saying that its one of those places where science can have an Opps. And the world will know. Like you were saying earlier.

Originally Posted by paraclete
no more Manhattan projects, well I don't see how we can stop it, like the Sorcerer's Apprentice we alwyas mess with things we don't understand and then say OOPS!

Yes I get it now, it could start a chain reaction, create a mini sun or some such

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes I get it now, it could start a chain reaction, create a mini sun or some such

Oh man ! The chances that smashing a single atom will cause a mini-sun is nil to zero

There was a time Tom when smashing an atom was a dream but it became a reality and out of that came 50 years of fear and suspicition, You cannot tell where this reseach will take you but they are trying to create fission. We are always dealing with forces we don't understand, as I said before the sorcerer's apprentice

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they are trying to create fission.

They are looking for the Higgs boson... the so called "God Particle " . This is more like the Tower of Babel than sorcerer's apprentice .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

They are looking for the Higgs boson .... the so called "God Particle " . This is more like the Tower of Babel than sorcerer's apprentice .

They found that months ago

Nahh they think they did . I am no expert in physics by any means . But I think the claim that the neutrino travelled faster than the speed of light was a premature and false report.The margin of error for that experiment was far greater than what was reported at CERN. Besides , it has not been replicated so by their own scientific standards it is still in the hypothesis stage.

Yes machines like that take a lot of maintenance makes you wonder why bother

Hello again,

Climate change is NOT whether. It does EFFECT the whether, though. I wonder how my right wing friends view these once in a century storms that are hitting us these days.

Now, I dunno if they mean anything... But, I know the gamble you take if you DENY climate change, is with our destiny. Given that being WRONG would be cataclysmic, I'd rather err on the side of living. You? Not so much.

Besides, the oil is gonna run out pretty soon, and we'll have to DO something THEN.. Why not start now? You DO know that we're gonna run out of oil, don't you??

Actually, I'm not sure you do.

excon

Whether you believe in climate change is irrelevant because what we do know for fact is mother nature can wipe out whatever man builds and it costs money to rebuild it. MUCH money. So rebuilding stuff until it happens again is a losing proposition, and expensive.

Solutions, besides more tax breaks and shrink the government and tough luck.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Climate change is NOT whether. It does EFFECT the whether, though. I wonder how my right wing friends view these once in a century storms that are hitting us these days.

Now, I dunno if they mean anything... But, I know the gamble you take if you DENY climate change, is with our destiny. Given that being WRONG would be cataclysmic, I'd rather err on the side of living. You? Not so much.

Besides, the oil is gonna run out pretty soon, and we'll have to DO something THEN.. Why not start now? You DO know that we're gonna run out of oil, don't you??

Actually, I'm not sure you do.

excon

We are doing something, we're covering the planet in giant bird-whacking windmills, solar panels and toxic batteries.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Climate change is NOT whether. It does EFFECT the whether, though. I wonder how my right wing friends view these once in a century storms that are hitting us these days.

Now, I dunno if they mean anything... But, I know the gamble you take if you DENY climate change, is with our destiny. Given that being WRONG would be cataclysmic, I'd rather err on the side of living. You? Not so much.

Besides, the oil is gonna run out pretty soon, and we'll have to DO something THEN.. Why not start now? You DO know that we're gonna run out of oil, don't you??

Actually, I'm not sure you do.

excon

What we do know is that available reserves of oil and gas will last this century . However ,it's not likely that humans will still be relying on oil at the end of this century. Oil is getting more expensive to find and extract and that alone is a good reason for the marketplace to explore alternatives. The reserves are there and will last a long time . Cheap oil's days are over.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

What we do know is that available reserves of oil and gas will last this century . However ,it's not likely that humans will still be relying on oil at the end of this century. Oil is getting more expensive to find and extract and that alone is a good reason for the marketplace to explore alternatives. The reserves are there and will last a long time . Cheap oil's days are over.

Why?

Why what ?

Why are the day of cheap oil over?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Why are the day of cheap oil over?

Increasing world wide demand ....and the rising cost of production, thanks to more complex and expensive extraction processes, means oil prices are expected to continue to rise in the future.There was cheap oil when it was located relatively on the surface . That oil supply has been depleted .

Anti-pipeline protesters gather in Calgary to decry climate change | Calgary | News | Calgary Sun

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Dozens of anti-pipeline and oilsands activists gathered Saturday in downtown Calgary as part of a nation-wide protest focusing on climate change.

The peaceful gathering in Calgary, held inside the Plus—15 walkway between the headquarters of Enbridge and TransCanada Corp. was part of the Defend Our Climate protest that took place in 130 communities across Canada.

Chantal Chagnon with the Idle No More movement, said they're trying to get the attention of the energy industry and the Canadian Parliament to the growing global opposition to “pipelines, tar sands expansions and other polices that contribute to runaway climate change.”

“We're seeing the effects of global warming and we can't keep denying it because obviously something is happening,” Chagnon said.

“We have to take advantage of our knowledge at this point and really change our behaviour, change our way of development.

“We can't keep developing infinitely on a finite world.”

Chagnon said it was important to hold a peaceful gathering in Calgary, because the city is home to the headquarters of several energy giants.

The protest was held as world leaders in Poland for the United Nations Climate Change Conference discuss plans for international co-operation on the issue.

Protestors in Calgary said the Harper government is refusing to take meaningful action when it comes to climate change.

Originally about 300 people were slated to participate in the Calgary protest, but due to a snow storm only about 50 showed up.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Anti-pipeline protesters gather in Calgary to decry climate change | Calgary | News | Calgary Sun

Well, who wants to come out in the cold to whine about global warming?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Well, who wants to come out in the cold to whine about global warming?

Why don't I whine about somethingelse. Every time there is a natural disaster we are told that it is caused by climate change, as if there were no natural disasters before climate change was "discovered". I am fed to the back teeth with this idea that we can control the weather, with the idea that reducing carbon emissions is going to stop these events and restore us to pre-climate change conditions. The evidence is not in a thousand years. Any action we take is tokenism taken to the extreme.

The disaster in the Philippines is terrible, but only avoidable if people do not build their homes at the waters edge and construct buildings that can withstand catastrophic events. As each nation experiences these events, there is change. What is needed is concerted action to educate whole populations of the risks. Did they learn from the tsunami and move back from the beach, the reality is they didn't and no amount of whining about climate change will do anything for them

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Why don't I whine about somethingelse. every time there is a natural disaster we are told that it is caused by climate change, as if there were no natural disasters before climate change was "discovered". I am fed to the back teeth with this idea that we can control the weather, with the idea that reducing carbon emissions is going to stop these events and restore us to pre-climate change conditions. The evidence is not in a thousand years. Any action we take is tokenism taken to the extreme.

That's because it's all agenda driven. Weather happens.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's because it's all agenda driven. Weather happens.

Yes and catastrophic events play to the agenda. I'm waiting for the clamour as a shopping centre was torn apart by a tornado here the other day. No doubt it will be the fault of climate change even though I remember a similar event in the 70's. Only last month we had catastrophic fires, caused not by climate change, but military stupidity and fire bugs, but climate change got an outing on that one too.

Your nation and mine have played their part in reducing emissions while others continue to grow unabated but is the debate in our nations deminished? No? The climate lobby will not stop until we are back in the dark ages, living as they do in third world countries. We cannot go back to 1990, that hallowed benchmark, because our populations continue to grow

Greenhouse emissions at record levels with China the leading contributor

We met and bettered our Kyoto target, current projection suggest we will halve our emissions by 2030, I would like to see China halve its emissions and I would like them to match this plan

Beyond Zero Emissions

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Originally Posted by paraclete

The climate lobby will not stop until we are back in the dark ages, living as they do in third world countries.

Yep. I volunteer all of the climate lobby to take the lead on that. We can start with Al Gore. Hell, I'll even buy him a yurt.

Never happen, they will save themselves long before they save us

Hello again,

When a Chevy Volt crashes, or a Tesla catches fire, one side of the debate snickers and uses these examples to show us that this stuff will NEVER work. My side, however, uses these examples to show how this stuff absolutely WILL work.

What??? Right wingers don't understand the scientific rule saying that you have to break a few eggs?? Would they rather we didn't look at things that MIGHT get us off fossil fuels??

excon