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I see gun violence is back on the agenda and yet no one wants to talk about it
After Navy Yard shootings, has America grown numb to gun violence? - Courant.com)
Once again innocents have been slaughtered and someone please tell me that if pistol packin Pete had been there he would have stopped it before anyone got hurt
Nobody is surprised when a black guy kills people... its expected. If he was alive he'd probably be blaming it on something that ended over 170 years ago.
Look at Chicago's crime stats...
If you read the reporting that has come out about the Navy Yard shooting ,there is a clear link to mental health issues. Part of the reason that there is silence I suppose is that the killer didn't use a so called assault rifle . He started with the gun that Joe Biden thinks is a better alternative... a shot gun.
Chicago shooting: 13 people shot at South Side basketball court - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Yes the Chicago crime stats are appalling and I doubt the end of slavery is to blame or are you one of those who think if you could keep blacks employed in that way your social problems would be at an end
I understand that there is a certain anger that surrounds the unemployed and the disenfranchised but there is also violence that surrounds drugs and gangs. Even the work of your own President couldn't stem the tide in Chicago and a fresh approach is needed, one that starts with coralling the guns and other weapons and putting cops in the streets.
Wherever you have disadvantage you have a breeding ground for these problems but they are only symtermatic of a wider problem, the idea that any person has a right to use a gun, just because 230 years ago someone thought it was a good idea.
In NY a judge ruled that stop and frisk was unconstitutional . We have had an immediate uptick in gun violence as a result .
Seriously Tom it doesn't matter what weapon he used, what matters is that it has happened again, and again and no one does anything about it. You are desensitised to it and your politicians are parrallised by the gun lobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Did he use a multishot shot gun? Would there have been less casualties if his choice of weapon was restricted and you want to hide behind mental health issues, in today's society because of drugs you have to know that mental health is a serious issue everywhere, all the more reason to connect the dots and remove the guns to an arsenal
It is time to give your judges some sensible guidelines or refer all such issues to the Supreme Court so local judges cannot stick their beak inQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's not the problem... you've got blacks that liberals have been teaching for generations that they are entitled to a free ride... and nothing they do they are responsible for.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And most of them aren't even eligible to own a gun in the first place.
If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife... if it wasn't a knife it would be a club, if it wasn't a club it would be with their fists...
Your problems stem from social disadvantage after all it is only fifty years since you truly started liberating them and with most of the jobs exported by your Job Creators you are reaping the whirlwindQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So you are saying is blacks are an unruly lot, a xenophobic and racist statement, but perhaps your argument has merit. That they might not be entitled to guns in a nation that doesn't restrict gun ownership in a manner that prevents them from owning and using a gun is a moot point.Quote:
And most of them aren't even eligible to own a gun in the first place.
If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife... if it wasn't a knife it would be a club, if it wasn't a club it would be with their fists...
One point though Tom is it somewhat difficult to attack twelve people with a knife, you have to be in a frenzy.
What you don't see is the general availability of guns makes it possible for them to get one, legally, or illegally, much more easily. We have blacks here too, but they rarely settle their differences with guns or lash out against their circumstances with guns because it is much more difficult to obtain them. No, they use clubs, shovels and axes but only against their own. By the way we also restrict the ownership of large knives
Before anyone ridicules the messenger ;they should read the op-ed and consider it.
As Freedom Destroys Itself | National Review Online
A decent and moral society is guided by voluntary self-restraint. The less moral we are, the more legalistic we become. But more laws can't protect a civilization that has lost its way. At most, they're just tiny speed bumps for a runaway truck.
And it's hard to shove the toothpaste back into the tube.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Let us dissect this for a momentQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The very absence of self restraint tells us something about the quality of society, therefore that which sees itsself as decent and moral is dilluded and as the piece says laws don't have impact because only decent and moral people abide by them. How this relates to the gun debate is the society that thought there was a public good in a right to bear arms was decent and moral but is long gone, replaced by a heddonist, largely lawless society that is very legalistic to preseve rights they are not entitled to. They are about to be hit by the runaway truck if it hasn't already happenedQuote:
A decent and moral society is guided by voluntary self-restraint.
The alternative is the steady decline to either anarchy or tyranny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Tom I'm unsure how you define either of those but 50,000 deaths a year must surely beg the question as to whether a red line has been crossedQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
From the op-ed
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The first thing politicians ask after these tragedies is essentially: “What can we do to limit the freedom of the people?”
And that is the wrong question. The question we should be asking is: “What can we do to nurture and support a people capable of living in freedom?”
So by your definition you view countries with gun laws as having people with little freedom? Seems they enjoy a freedom from a non-stop barrage of american style mass killings.
The killing in Chi town was done with illegal guns . So much for your gun laws .
Guns can easily be gotten outside that small enclave and brought in. Is that your only argument?
In your opinion all killings are done by illegal guns so on that basis there is no reason to possess legal gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Regardless of laws americans will always find ways to be violent to each other.
Yes lawlessness abounds, I wonder why? Too many freedoms?
Lol yeah that's the ticket... for a post constitutional society
Pre-constitutional society as well. Not really that funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You are already in a post constitutional society
What the gun grabbers aren't smart enough to grasp. Is how easy it is for anyone with the most basic of metalworking skills to make a gun from scratch using scrap metal that works.
And quite frequently the criminals did exactly that even through the 1960's.
Why on earth would anyone want to make a gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Because they can? Because they work? Lots of reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Research Zip guns... or improvised firearms.
Lots of people made them... a lot of them weren't even criminals. A 12 year old could make one.
They sometimes aren't safe... they are never legal... but they are easy to hide because depending on how crude you make it... they can look like something else.
Just pointing out the futility of disarming the public...
Nah. I'd rather teach them quilting or how to sew on buttons correctly (or decent grammar and spelling).Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Just saying the average 12 year old with any mechanical aptitude can figure it out on their own... WITHOUT the internet or plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And I know they were pretty common in the 50's from what my dad told me. And he wasn't even one of the criminal element even in his youth.
He needs to learn how to make brownies instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Kids will be kids... and what you don't know they are doing sometimes would scare the hell out of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Like my class of third grade boys who were avidly studying the encyclopedia (much to my happiness), until I figured out they were looking up Renaissance portraits of nude women.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Charles Krauthammer: The real Navy Yard scandal - The Washington PostQuote:
On Aug. 7, that same Alexis had called police from a Newport, R.I. Marriott. He was hearing voices. Three people were following him, he told the cops. They were sending microwaves through walls, making his skin vibrate and preventing him from sleeping. He had already twice changed hotels to escape the men, the radiation, the voices.
Delusions, paranoid ideation, auditory (and somatic) hallucinations: the classic symptoms of schizophrenia.
So here is this panic-stricken soul, psychotic and in terrible distress. And what does modern policing do for him? The cops tell him to “stay away from the individuals that are following him.” Then they leave.
Shame the president couldn't take time out from his apolitical, non partisan rant to acknowledge the tragedy. Or that the media didn't take time to get the facts before starting their anti-assault weapons narrative or that the SWAT team was told to stand down, or especially as tom noted the cops didn't see a problem with this guy's mental state.
But which one?Quote:
acknowledge the tragedy
Lets hope this is one import we can stay away from.
59 killed in Kenya mall attack, 49 missing
"import"?
What does that mean?
Import means to "bring in". As in I hope they don't decide to try this here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
This sort of thing happens all over, suicide bombers targeted a church in Pakistan killing as many and any refugee or migrant can be a potential attacker. How do you stop it, with porous borders and millions of refugees world wide
University of Kansas associate professor David Guth had something to special to add to the discussion, wishing death on the children of NRA members.
Never fear, KU officials took swift action and put him on paid leave. And Guth had more to say...Quote:
#NavyYardShooting The blood is on the hands of the #NRA. Next time, let it be YOUR sons and daughters. Shame on you. May God damn you.
— David Guth (@DWGuth) September 16, 2013
I see, Yes, "Next time, let it be YOUR sons and daughters. Shame on you. May God damn you" is just too nuanced . He also added this about his 'punishment.'Quote:
"If you look at how I structured the statement, I didn’t really bring [the NRA’s) children into it,” he said, according to Fox4KC. “I carefully structured the statement to make it conditional, but apparently it was too much of a nuance for some people.”
“I don’t want anybody harmed. If somebody’s going to be harmed, maybe it ought to be the people who believe that guns are so precious that it’s worth spilling blood over,” Guth added, according to Fox4KC. Guth did not immediately respond to a request for comment from HuffPost.
And that's how many ant-gun zealots want to 'discuss' a guaranteed right, with a little 'nuance.' Of course I expect many of you to also brush off the fact that too many tenured professors like Guth are 'educating' our children and there's usually not much universities can do about it, even if they wanted to.Quote:
"I have had conversations with the university and have agreed to this action -- an administrative leave with pay -- in light of the abusive email threats I and others have received. It is in it the best interests and peace of mind of our students that I remove myself from the situation and let cooler heads prevail. It is unfortunate that my comments have been deliberately distorted. I know what I meant. Unfortunately, this is a topic that generates more heat than light. I don't think any further comment would be appropriate at this time."
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