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Democrat aversion to reality

Or is it just blatant dishonesty? Like the mythical "war on women" Democrats just can't seem to have an honest discussion. Frankly I'm more than a bit fed up with it, particularly the aforementioned meme and the never ending explanations on why Republicans hate Obama.

And now a word from Mimi Pelosi.

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Throughout a 50-minute interview on Thursday in her second-floor Capitol office, where the late Speaker Tip O’Neill used to receive supplicants, Pelosi was sharply derisive about the scorn Republicans have for this president.

“You know why it is,” she said. “You know why it is. He’s brilliant, … he thinks in a strategic way in how to get something done … and he’s completely eloquent. That’s a package that they don’t like.”…

Then she added a line that she has used before, that drives Republicans batty: “He has been … open, practically apolitical, certainly nonpartisan, in terms of welcoming every idea and solution. I think that’s one of the reasons the Republicans want to take him down politically, because they know he is a nonpartisan president, and that’s something very hard for them to cope with.”

If were drinking a beer right now I would have spewed it all over the floor.

By all means, please tell us how the guy who couldn't take a break from railing on Republicans while people were being shot in DC, whose IRS has targeted conservative groups, the guy of the "attack watch" fame - the most political, partisan, divisive president of my lifetimes is as Nancy says "open", "apolitical" and "non-partisan."

No Orwellian BS please, let's get real here.

They have a way with words to totally side step issues and facts

People believe what they want to believe, they give Noble Prizes to prize idiots... but I digress

You noticed that too about the nobel peace prize?

I notice many things, sometimes it helps to be a little further away from the problem, sometimes not

Will you parse your second sentence for me?
There seem to be 3 premises in it that I can't grasp.

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Democrats just can't seem to have an honest discussion

Well neither can republicans, therein lies your political problem.

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Originally Posted by joypulv

Will you parse your second sentence for me?
There seem to be 3 premises in it that I can't grasp.

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I notice many things, sometimes it helps to be a little further away from the problem, sometimes not

I expect you are speaking about this statement

1st Part responding to NOhelp4U, 2nd Part referring to the fact that I am at some distance to events in the Northern Hemisphere and Washington in particular and therefore can be more objective, 3rd Part suggesting sometimes you need to be close to the issues to understand the nuiances

Non-partisan ? This is the guy who made an address on Monday while the bodies of the victims of the Navy Yard shooting were still warm to lambast the Repubics .Oh he gave lip service to the shooting ,and his bumbling and incoherent handling of Syria . Then he wasted no time to trash talk about the House Repubics :

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The problem is at the moment, Republicans in Congress don't seem to be focused on how to grow the economy and build the middle class. I say “at the moment” because I'm still hoping that a light bulb goes off here. (Laughter from the drones in attendance.)

Other gems from his speech .....they're willing to tank the entire economy.....Are they really willing to hurt people just to score political points?....(they ) haven't put forward serious ideas .....I put forward ideas for tax reform—haven't heard back from them yet. (a complete lie )
The same bs we hear on these boards... but I have no expectation of negotiating with anyone here to do the job the people elected me to do .

She is right about one thing... the apolitical thingy . He doesn't have a clue about how to conduct politics in a town that practices nothing but politics. In the emperor's mind ;everyone must conform to his thinking . He says I will not negotiate .But that is not completely true . He is willing to negotiate with the 12ers in Tehran . He's willing to negotiate with Putin and Assad. He'll negotiate with every likeminded person on the planet . But he won't negotiate with the Repubics in the House . They are the enemy that Alinsky said must be isolated and ridiculed .

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The mythical - ?
"war on women" - ?
Democrats just can't seem to have an honest discussion.
You are saying that the war on women, whatever that is, but maybe it isn't because it's mythical, can't have an honest discussion?
Or is the word 'like' meant in that valley girl way.

That all is what I was hoping to get sorted out.

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Originally Posted by joypulv

Like
the mythical - ?
"war on women" - ?
Democrats just can't seem to have an honest discussion.
You are saying that the war on women, whatever that is, but maybe it isn't because it's mythical, can't have an honest discussion?
Or is the word 'like' meant in that valley girl way.

That all is what I was hoping to get sorted out.

I sorry there seems to be a disconnect here like a distant echo from another thread or perhaps you are not speaking to me. I see now you are referring to the OP.

The war on women is mythical, there is no glass ceiling, those who have ability rise, just not as quickly as their over inflated egos would have them. Reality steps in sometimes, but the ones who hold women back are women themselves, get over yourselves. There I've put the cat among the pigeons...

I give up. My point about premises isn't getting across.

I can see it but who wants to debate BO's personality. If you have points to make make them but we have come not to expect explanations

I've discovered the video that explains Liberals everywhere... its their medication.

MinusIQ | The pill to lower your IQ permanently - YouTube

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I've discovered the video that explains Liberals everywhere....its their medication.

MinusIQ | The pill to lower your IQ permanently - YouTube

I'm sure it is very droll unfortunately the speakers on my PC aren't working

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I'm sure it is very droll unfortunately the speakers on my PC arn't working

Its actually a comedy skit...

Well right in line with politics then

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Originally Posted by tomder55

non-partisan ? This is the guy who made an address on Monday while the bodies of the victims of the Navy Yard shooting were still warm to lambast the Repubics .Oh he gave lip service to the shooting ,and his bumbling and incoherent handling of Syria . Then he wasted no time to trash talk about the House Repubics :

Other gems from his speech .....they're willing to tank the entire economy.....Are they really willing to hurt people just to score political points?....(they ) haven't put forward serious ideas .....I put forward ideas for tax reform—haven't heard back from them yet. (a complete lie )
The same bs we hear on these boards ... but I have no expectation of negotiating with anyone here to do the job the people elected me to do .

She is right about one thing ...the apolitical thingy . He doesn't have a clue about how to conduct politics in a town that practices nothing but politics. In the emperor's mind ;everyone must conform to his thinking . He says I will not negotiate .But that is not completely true . He is willing to negotiate with the 12ers in Tehran . He's willing to negotiate with Putin and Assad. He'll negotiate with every likeminded person on the planet . But he won't negotiate with the Repubics in the House . They are the enemy that Alinsky said must be isolated and ridiculed .

More from the emperor yesterday... We're not some banana republic. This isn't some deadbeat nation[...he accused the GOP of threatening to blow the whole thing up... Now they've gone beyond just holding Congress hostage. They're holding the whole country hostage... They're focused on trying to mess with me.

Is this some of the apolitical stuff that Madame Mimi speaks of ?

Yeah I got more . The emperor said : "We don't run out on our tab" because we are not a "banana Republic" . Does a nation that is not a banana republic run up a tab without ever attempting to pay it down ? When does the bar tender say enough is enough ?
The emperor said : Raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt.
I don't even know what that means . I do know that when an agency like the FDA has $182,000 to study whether they are "liked" on Facebook then the government has not even begun yet streamlining it's budgets to sequester levels .
FDA spends to monitor Twitter, Facebook - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com
I'll tell you what is banana republic... unleashing the IRS on your political opponents is banana republic.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

more from the emperor yesterday ....We're not some banana republic. This isn't some deadbeat nation[...he accused the GOP of threatening to blow the whole thing up...Now they've gone beyond just holding Congress hostage. They're holding the whole country hostage.....They’re focused on trying to mess with me.

Is this some of the a political stuff that Madame Mimi speaks of ?

Interesting premeses there we are not a banana republic, beg to differ you spend more than you earn this isn't a dead beat nation, well mass killings and 50000 dead a year from gun violence would suggest otherwise. they are holdong the whole country hostage then why don't all those good gun owners rise up in the name of liberty

Hello again, Steve:

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Or is it just blatant dishonesty? Democrats just can't seem to have an honest discussion. Frankly I'm more than a bit fed up with it

Apparently, you think our discussions over the years, HAVEN'T been in good faith... That's a pretty sh!tty thing to say.

If you're fed up, why don't you try the flower page? I'm sure it's less upsetting.

Excon

I love flowers, I'm fed up with imaginary wars on women and discussing all the manufactured reasons we hate Obama and such. I do think you believe that war on women thing, but since there isn't one I fail to see how that furthers the discussion.

Do you believe we hate Obama? Has he been apolitical, open and nonpartisan? Did he not begin his presidency by telling Republicans "I won" while shutting them out then proceeding to ask for snitches that dared to disagree with him then proceeded to push his agenda through without any Republican input? Are we going to continue this sham Mimi speaks of? I've had the distinct impression that we're supposed to just shut up and go along with whatever disaster dems want to impose on us, like it and be thankful for our eloquent, apolitical leader or face the consequences.

We don't need any more dishonest lectures from people like Pelosi and we are not helpless children in need of a nanny rapping our knuckles and putting us in our proper place

Hello again, Steve:

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Do you believe we hate Obama?

We, is a lot of you. But, let me see if I can break that down.. I don't believe that YOU, personally hate Obama. I believe that tom hates him a little bit, and I think smoothy hates him a lot.

The three of you represent a pretty good cross section of the Republican party.

Now, I don't know if he uttered the words, "I won", in the context of, it's going to be MY way or the HIGHWAY... IF he said it, you believe that was the context, and not just a statement of fact.

But, if he meant what you believe he did, then I don't believe he would have burdened his health care law with loads and loads of provisions put IN there specifically to attract Republican support.

If he meant it YOUR way, he actually WOULD have rammed it down your throat by passing SINGLE PAYER.

Over to you, winger.

Excon

PS> I'm sorry you have to listen to the likes of Nancy Peloci.. But, I have to listen to the likes of smoothy.

Exactly what provisions did he put in there to get support from exactly zero Republicans, against the wishes of a clear majority of Americans? As I recall he promised an executive order to persuade a handful of pro-life Democrats into supporting it, and something like 34 dems joined Republicans in voting against it.

Now, the challenge is exactly how has he been apolitical, open and nonpartisan? I haven't seen it, he is clearly this week being anything but such things so what world are these Dems putting on this charade living in?

Hello again, Steve:

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Exactly what provisions did he put in there to get support from exactly zero Republicans, against the wishes of a clear majority of Americans?

You opened this thread talking about blatant dishonesty... Having accused the left of such prevarications, you should be PARTICULARLY careful about NOT engaging in it yourself.

Alas and alack, you failed.

Here's some TRUTH. While most Americans oppose the law, what you NEGLECT to reveal is that a sizable portion of those who oppose the law do so because they don't think it goes far enough, not because it goes too far. A May CNN/ORC poll found that 43% of Americans favored the law while 54% opposed it. But it also found that of those polled, 16% opposed the law because they thought that it wasn't liberal enough. Put another way, 59% of Americans support the law or want it to be more liberal.

Over to you, Mr. Honest Broker of the Truth.

Excon

Nice spin there, the question was if you oppose it why? 16 percent who oppose it do so because it isn't liberal enough. You don't get to add the two together to come up with a majority in favor.

But you don't get to ignore it either.

What part of 16 percent of those who oppose it do so because it isn't liberal enough am I supposed to get worked up ove?

Why get worked up? Just recognize that if 16% want more of it, don't assume it's a sign that they want it gone completely.

Its you guys that say most Americans want the ACA repealed. That may not be true because as I point out, democrats don't have the outrage that republicans have for the law. Nor are they hollering to shut the government down unless it is repealed.

And since when does one third of the governing body dictate to the other two thirds? In truth you guys have a narrow majority in one third of the governing body.

That's reality dude, and if you guys stick together you can defeat whatever the senate sends back to the house to vote on. That too is reality, and how it works and contrary to the title of this thread democrats have no aversion to that reality.

We thrive on the challenge.

And that's more aversion to reality, a minority of Americans want Obamacare and you complain about those trying to give the majority what they want being dictators. What the..?

Hello again, Mr. Honest Broker:

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a minority of Americans want Obamacare

Let's review, shall we. Not 6 months ago we had a BIG poll. It was a NATIONAL poll.. It WASN'T a small sample. EVERYBODY participated. ONE side of that poll said his FIRST job was to repeal Obamacare.

He LOST.

So, I don't think you really want to be honest here.. You just want to SPIN, SPIN, and then SPIN some more.

Excon

When you get your right wing conservative house, senate, and president, then you can repeal the whole country if you want but until then you can squeal until the pigs come home. Luckily you don't have long to wait, 7 days to be exact.

Let me know when that honest debate gets here.

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Hello again, Steve:

Here's some right wing reality:

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Mr. Honest Broker:
Let's review, shall we. Not 6 months ago we had a BIG poll. It was a NATIONAL poll.. It WASN'T a small sample. EVERYBODY participated. ONE side of that poll said his FIRST job was to repeal Obamacare.

He LOST.

So, I don't think you really want to be honest here.. You just wanna SPIN, SPIN, and then SPIN some more.

excon

This coming from the side who tried to tell American Romney wanted to take their tampons away.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Here's some right wing reality:

No, they really don't think that way. But thanks for giving us a perfect example of what this thread is about.

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No, they really don't think that way. But thanks for giving us a perfect example of what this thread is about.

Then why are they VOTING that way?

House Republicans vote to cut $40 billion from the food stamp program was 'heartless' - NY Daily News

This is a part of congress YOU guys control. Actions speak louder than thoughts.

Left thinking... a hungry child wouldve been better if killed before birth.
Left thinking... spend $500 million on a program that will seek to solve the problem of 5 year old children that “can't sit still in a kindergarten classroom.
Left thinking... spend $30 million on a program designed to help Pakistani farmers produce more mangos.
Left thinking... spend $1.8 million on a “museum of neon signs” in Las Vegas
Left thinking... spend $630,000 (State Dept) advertising to get "likes" on Facebook.

Then Pelosi today tells us the budget is cut to the bone.
Rep. Nancy Pelosi: Nothing left to cut in budget

Hello again, Steve:

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No, they really don't think that way.

It's true. I WAS being a bit hyperbolic... But, now that the conversation is started, where do you think children, who are being FED on food stamps TODAY, are going to get lunch TOMORROW if the $40 Billion CUT in food stamps your party proposed, passes??

I know... I know... They can get ALL the food they want at church... Just like they can get ALL the health care they want at the ER.

Bwa, ha ha ha..

Excon

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Then why are they VOTING that way?

House Republicans vote to cut $40 billion from the food stamp program was 'heartless' - NY Daily News

This is a part of congress YOU guys control. Actions speak louder than thoughts.

While the claim may be somewhat true it's just more fear-mongering. Food stamps have doubled under Obama, he eliminated the work requirement and eligibility loopholes have "swelled" the rolls. Even the allegedly non-partisan Politifact admits "CBO analysis largely supports the food stamp rolls reduction."

No one wants to take food from children and seniors, we want it to go to those who actually need the assistance and promote a robust economy where people enter the workforce instead of abandoning it and become productive. Welfare is not the path to prosperity, and neither is a nation of part-time workers, another byproduct of your precious Obamacare.

Right wing thinking - Make enough noise and nobody will notice them destroying America for everyone but THEM.