Hello:
Well, we're certainly NOT cracking down anymore... The Justice Department is making an end run around the mandatory sentencing laws. I think it's great.. I think it portends the END of this silly war. You?
excon
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Hello:
Well, we're certainly NOT cracking down anymore... The Justice Department is making an end run around the mandatory sentencing laws. I think it's great.. I think it portends the END of this silly war. You?
excon
I'm OK with a push to not send Spicolli to prison for smoking a joint. Interesting point made in the article...
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Advocates of change point to Texas and New York as leaders in the effort to reduce sentences, particularly for lower-level drug crimes. Although California has modified its strict "three strikes" sentencing laws, the state has made fewer changes than many others. The state's prisons currently are under court order to reduce the number of inmates by nearly 10,000 this year to cope with overcrowding.
Hello again, Steve:
Texas didn't come to the table because of sympathy for druggies.. They came because of MONEY. But, that's fine. I don't care WHY the drug war is ending.. Just as long as it ends.
excon
Now if the federal government can come to their senses about something over money it doesn't have we might get somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Judge rules New York police's 'stop and frisk' tactics unconstitutional | Reuters
Wonder how those law and order tough on crime liberals will get their loot now? Raise taxes on Wall Street cocaine users? They never get stopped, frisked, or go to jail.
What war?? EVERY SINGLE addict and drug dealer in my hood is thrown in jail one day out the next. Called the revolving door. Stay a month occasionally called 'on vacation'. Fictitious war on drug because the government is the biggest middle man.
Been watching too many Michael Douglas movies... There hasn't been a culture of coke use on Wall Street since the 1980s . As for stop and frisk ;the judge put constitutional limits on it. The system will be appropriately modified .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Good day for the Choom Gang
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My question is this... isn't it true that most drug busts of users comes at the state and local levels and that the Feds mostly bust the pushers and the cartels ? So how will Holder's dicates ;even if he's only picking and choosing which Federal laws he enforces ,make any difference ? I think that the total Federal lock up for any crime represents only about 10% of the total prison population... and most of the Federal lock ups aren't there because they puffed on a magic dragon. So what are we talking about ? A couple hundred prisoners ?
Hello again, tom:
At this juncture, yes... But, WHAT a juncture. It's a SEA CHANGE juncture. No politician over the last 40 years would dare suggest we get softer on crime, yet Holder did, and Rand Paul agreed. The conversation has SHIFTED from lock 'em up, to let's see here.Quote:
So what are we talking about ? A couple hundred prisoners
It may take several years yet for the drug war to wind down, but it's OVER.
Excon
How do you know since NONE of them get stopped and frisked? They may even have evolved into dealing since they have the loot. How do you know, link please.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's okay I got one,
Wall Street turns a blind eye to drugs | Blanca Torii
The drug war looks more like class war to me. The poor are in the wrong class.Quote:
The word among current employees, psychologists, and counselors, according to an article by Dealbreaker written in the past year, is that drug usage has not dropped. The numbers from the drug usage are results of the tests being announced before they are conducted, resulting in people cheating the system and causing discrepancy in the data. Cocaine stays in the body for only two or three days, according to Web MD.
“Our drug test is not so much a test of whether you actually take drugs as it is an intelligence test to see if you can figure out how long it takes to get traces of the drug out of your system,” said an anonymous hiring manager at a major New York bank, in a conversation with Reuters in 2007.
Rehab facilities, such as Seabrook House in Pennsylvania, have been crammed with Wall Street coke addicts. According to Seabrook Clinical Director William Heran, the Wall Street investors pay an average of $24,000 for a three month rehabilitation program.
Too bad that Holder has no authority to make that call. But if the cause it right ;who cares if the there is an imperial Presidency.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Sure he does. It's called proprietorial discretion. All prosecutors have it, and he's the HEAD prosecutor.Quote:
too bad that Holder has no authority to make that call.
Excon
Guess it isn't his job to "faithfully execute " the laws of the land .
Just because you don't like him or how he does his job doesn't mean he isn't faithfully executing the law of the land. Congress sure isn't faithfully executing their job either. To even be functional everybody has to work together and correct the glitches, big and small.
Squeal Repeal Defund Block Obstruct just adds to the dysfunction, and creates a big gridlock. But if I wanted to replace elected government with corporate masters, that's how I would do it too.
For the record.. the legislative branch doesn't execute the laws and THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOESN'T MAKE THE LAW.
Was that the view you lefties took with Alberto Gonzales? I don't remember it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
This guy started by dismissing an obvious case of voter intimidation (called it a "made-up controversy" - a pattern for this admin. He then followed up with Fast & Furious for which he got executive privilege so he wouldn't have to answer for it, he's been spying on reporters, the guy doesn't have any respect for the law.
As for Congress, yeah they suck but it wasn't the House that failed to pass a budget for four years and quite frankly, the less they do the better.
Details, details...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
On the same not, a DC appeals court just gave Obama a smackdown for refusing to follow the law.
Let's see, where else might that apply?Quote:
In a rebuke to the Obama administration, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has been violating federal law by delaying a decision on a proposed nuclear waste dump in Nevada.
By a 2-1 vote, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ordered the commission to complete the licensing process and approve or reject the Energy Department's application for a never-completed waste storage site at Nevada's Yucca Mountain.
In a sharply worded opinion, the court said the nuclear agency was "simply flouting the law" when it allowed the Obama administration to continue plans to close the proposed waste site 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The action goes against a federal law designating Yucca Mountain as the nation's nuclear waste repository.
"The president may not decline to follow a statutory mandate or prohibition simply because of policy objections," Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh wrote in a majority opinion, which was joined Judge A. Raymond Randolph. Chief Judge Merrick B. Garland dissented.
The appeals court said the case has important implications for the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches of government.
"It is no overstatement to say that our constitutional system of separation of powers would be significantly altered if we were to allow executive and independent agencies to disregard federal law in the manner asserted in this case by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission," Kavanaugh wrote. "The commission is simply defying a law enacted by Congress... without any legal basis."
Hello again, tom:
So, you DON'T believe a prosecutor should be given the discretion to decide whether to prosecute in the very first place, decide which charges to bring, determine whether a defendant should be tried as an adult or a juvenile, how the trial is to be conducted, whether a plea bargain should be negotiated, what the TERMS of the plea bargain should be, what sentence to recommend, and what position he should take on parole and probation??Quote:
guess it isn't his job to "faithfully execute " the laws of the land
Now, of course, you think a prosecutor should have that discretion. What you object to is the HEAD prosecutor having it.. I have NO idea why.
Excon
This isn't a case of discretion like some cop deciding to not see a pot smoker . This is the Attorney General of the United States deciding that he is going to make law (actually I don't believe for one second that this is his call) .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Now I have no beef with the effort to end mandatory sentencing . In fact I applaud the efforts of Dem Sen.Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Republic Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky to introduce legislation to give judges the discretion. But I am sick and tired of this emperor and his minions running roughshod over the laws and telling us they will pick which laws are worthy of them doing their sworn duty .
That's not what he did. He outlined how AG's across the country could/should exercise their discretion to address a problem (overcrowding in prisons, and mandatory and unfair sentencing, based on race and income, and the cost of those policies) the congress has yet to address or solve.
Of course less prisoners means less profits for the private prison industry which is the only concern of many on the right.
Wow, you can take that profit motive/special interest narrative and apply it to any situation to b*tch about conservatives. Shame you can't bring yourself to have the same intense outrage when it comes from your side.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Open your eyes Tal, your side, with your president leading the way is as bad as anyone in that regard.
Most of my family and friends are staunch conservatives, so your outrage, and squeal points are nothing new. Open your eyes why don't you and recognize everyone is not a stanch conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.
I already recognize and respect that, when will you realize not every greedy rich guy and politician is not a "staunch conservative?"Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He says while throwing rocks...Quote:
You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.
No every greedy rich guy has one objective and he will support which ever politician will assist him to achieve his objectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Quote:
He says while throwing rocks...
Scientists are working on genetically altering Cannibis to induce irreversable impotence in human users.
Hasn't the idea of breeding them out been tried before, if your idea gets up your nation will disappear in a generation. Who thinks up these bad ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
We weed out the weak ones... the Strong will take over... and everyone doesn't rely on pot... alcohol or some other drug to get through life. There will be plenty that remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes but many of your youth experiment so anyone who uses it falls in the trap, when the population falls it creates problems look at Detroit as an example. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?
I remember you tried prohibition unsuccessfully that should have taught you something about behaviour and the general weakness of the human condition
And before that the eugenics movement came out of the American progressive movement and the Harvard / Ivy League elites ,with the likes of Charles B. Davenport and Harry Laughlin ( he authored the 'Model Sterilization Law' that was adopted in many states. In 1936, the Nazis honored him by awarding him an honorary doctorate from Heidelberg University).Eugenics was wholly compatible with the progressive era's faith in science, the future, the regulatory potential of the state, and human perfectibility.It attracted such notable lefties as Emma Goldman, NAACP founder W.E.B. Dubois, H.G. Wells, John Maynard Keynes, George Bernard Shaw, World Wildlife Fund founder Julian Huxley, SCOTUS justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Here is a quote from Justice Holmes...
It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for the crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.... Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
Over 60,000 Americans were sterilized long before the Nazis .Of particular note was Margaret Sanger who is now celebrated by the left . She added a racist tone to her advocacy . She set up clinics specifically with the goal of controlling black "breeding " (Negro Project) . Here is a quote that sums up this policy
“The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.”
Planned Parenthood lives on as a tribute to her life's work and the American eugenics movement's legacy is the 50 million + American babies legally snuffed .
Mao for all his numerous faults... had a very effective anti-drug program...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.
Hello smoothy:
I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for?? I think so.Quote:
One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.
Excon
It seems to be that - he wants bigger government overseeing everything the people do.Quote:
A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??
Hello again,
Now, I don't know about you, but when a potential Republican presidential candidate APPROVED pot for CHILDREN, the drug war is over..
Chris Christie approves medical marijuana for children – conditionally.
excon
I wonder what other prescriptions get approved through executive action. I thought the FDA controlled the approval process.
Cristie is in the middle of a mental breakdown.
Actually the drug problem in N Korea is Crystal-MethQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
North Korea Grapples With Crystal Meth Epidemic - Korea Real Time - WSJ
Are you still ranting about things you don't have a clue about?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I think habitual drunks should be lumped in with them as well. Since such a large percentage of crime is committed under the influence of something other than Mountain Dew and Gummi Bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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