Hello:

What do you think about the big bonus legislators gave themselves in the Farm Bill & what they say about food stamps?

Republican Fincher, TN has received over $3 MILLION since 1999 in farm subsidize. Last year he received $70K plus. He will get more next year. On food stamps? "If you don't work you don't eat" "This is other people's money" Yeah his...

The second biggest recipient was Representative Doug LaMalfa, a California Republican and agriculture panel member who, along with his wife, Jill, is part owner of a farm that received direct payments of $62,857. On food stamps? The poor, disabled, children, veterans, and the elderly don't need them.. They should get private help or go to a church.

Here's what the American Conservative website said.

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Christians need to seriously reconsider uncritical support for a political party that prioritizes lavishing subsidies on the agribusiness rich while telling the poor to sit quietly and wait for scraps.

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Is the right wing beyond embarrassment?

Excon

That's only 1 reason I am all for everyone being 3rd party. I refuse to support crooks, liars and hypocrites that get away with murder bit throw the book at us if we were to steal an apple to keep from starving.

Hello again,

Right wing CATO Institute says,

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Whenever Republicans cut social welfare spending, Democrats claim that Republicans dislike poor people. By passing the farm bill this week — after stripping out spending for the food stamp program — House Republicans showed that the stereotype is largely true.

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Anybody?? (crickets chirping)

Excon

CATO is Libertarian, but conservatives have been calling out both sides for their irresponsibility in both of these areas and still are.

GOP to Taxpayers: We're Against Subsidies, Except If They're For Rich Farmers

We agree ,the farm bill is a scam on many fronts including bogus credits to non-working farms ,destructive ethanol credits ,sugar beet subsidies ,and the food stamp program.

Are you telling uus something about your agricultural policies we don't know? You adopted the same socialised approach you complain about in Europe. Isn't it interesting the rest of us manage to compete with you without the handouts

Yes I am ;our farm policies are a failure and have been since Roosevelt.

I wonder how much was thrown in for rabbit disaster planning.

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Watch him pull a USDA-mandated rabbit disaster plan out of his hat - The Washington Post

In OZARK, Mo. — This summer, Marty the Magician got a letter from the U.S. government. It began with six ominous words: “Dear Members of Our Regulated Community . . .”

Marty Hahne, 54, does magic shows for kids in southern Missouri. For his big finale, he pulls a rabbit out of a hat. Or out of a picnic basket. Or out of a tiny library, if he’s doing his routine about reading being magical.

To do that, Hahne has an official U.S. government license. Not for the magic. For the rabbit.

The Agriculture Department requires it, citing a decades-old law that was intended to regulate zoos and circuses. Today, the USDA also uses it to regulate much smaller “animal exhibitors,” even the humble one-bunny magician.

That was what the letter was about. The government had a new rule. To keep his rabbit license, Hahne needed to write a rabbit disaster plan.

“Fire. Flood. Tornado. Air conditioning going out. Ice storm. Power failures,” Hahne said, listing a few of the calamities for which he needed a plan to save the rabbit...

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Full disclosure, this was not an Obama admin reg, it was borne out of the post-Katrina response. If only they'd had an animal disaster plan perhaps so many animals wouldn't have been abandoned. Fortunately, the USDA magic-rabbit licensing enforcement division may be scaled back.

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... Or maybe not. Late Tuesday, after a Washington Post article on Hahne was posted online, the Agriculture Department announced that the disaster-plan rule would be reexamined.

“Secretary [Tom] Vilsack asked that this be reviewed immediately and common sense be applied,” department spokeswoman Courtney Rowe said in an e-mail message.

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You can't make this stuff up.

Apparently it is possible over there

Awesome, the benefits that are supposed to be going to hungry Americans are being shipped to Jamaica in 55 gallon barrels.

NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti - m.NYPOST.com

It takes lot of caloriesand time for welare queens to be popping out one kid after another every 9 months. They don't have time to get a real job.

You can't make this stuff up or is it just another stuff up

People that can afford Iphones and cell phone data plans for everyone in the home.. can afford food too.

So you are saying you can swap food stamps for iphones, is that a successful marketing campaign

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Originally Posted by paraclete

so you are saying you can swap food stamps for iphones, is that a successful marketing campaign

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They swap food stamps for booze and drugs... Casino gambling... sex from crack ho's...

Everything but food. Showing there really isn't a need for it at all.

And for pennies on the dollar since they didn't earn it. It was free money to them.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

They swap food stamps for booze and drugs....Casino gambling....sex from crack ho's...

Everything but food. Showing there really isn't a need for it at all.

And for pennies on the dollar since they didn't earn it. It was free money to them.

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I don't doubt you have identified what some do, but where is the proof that the vast majority of those who rely on food stamps misuse the program. It could all be changed by insisting that food stamps can only be negotiated for food at selected sales points

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't doubt you have identified what some do, but where is the proof that the vast majority of those who rely on food stamps misuse the program. It could all be changed by insisting that food stamps can only be negotiated for food at selected sales points

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Doesn't work.. legally they can only be exchanged for food now... doesn't stop them. A few crooked store owners in the hood and you have a racket going where more "food" is sold to people with food stamps than they have merchandise on the shelves.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Doesn't work..legally they can only be exchanged for food now...doesn't stop them. A few crooked store owners in the hood and you have a racket going where more "food" is sold to people with food stamps than they have merchandise on the shelves.

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Well the dishonest are always among us. I used to distribute food to the needy and no way did we give out certificates, you got your parcel and what it contained was food, no cash for ciggies or items not on the menu. Those who wanted something else went somewhereelse. We did a roaring trade in potatoes and cans with no labels and yesterday's bread

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Originally Posted by paraclete

well the dishonest are always among us. I used to distribute food to the needy and no way did we give out certificates, you got your parcel and what it contained was food, no cash for ciggies or items not on the menu. Those who wanted something else went somewhereelse. We did a roaring trade in potatoes and cans with no labels and yesterday's bread

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I think that's a far better system... like the homeless begging for money... you find out how hungry they really aren't if you offer to buy them some food... but not hand them cash.

I don't give beggars money, I know these people have a pension. This isn't the third world

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't give beggars money, I know these people have a pension. this isn't the third world

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And around here there are enough soup kitchens... none of them go hungry. Most of them are mental patients off their meds... alcoholics or drug users... the ones panhandling anyway.

Sure not all are but most are. I see homeless smoking (roughly $5.00 a pack).. and with cell phones. So you know they are eating.

I don't give them anything either... I do donate to charities that help the poor... and that also run some of those soup kitchens.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

And around here there are enough soup kitchens...none of them go hungry. Most of them are mental patients off their meds...alcoholics or drug users...the ones panhandling anyway.

Sure not all are but most are.

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Yes like you would have to be off your head to want to live on the street. Yes we don't handle mental patients well these days, just leave them to their own devices.

There are lots of people helping out but the way to solve the problem is to provide places for them to stay and care, sadly, governments don't see any votes in it

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes like you would have to be off your head to want to live on the street. yes we don't handle mental patients well these days, just leave them to their own devices.

There are lots of people helping out but the way to solve the problem is to provide places for them to stay and care, sadly, governments don't see any votes in it

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Why should WE pay for places for them to destroy... We used to keep them in institutions were they got their meds... I'm sick and tired of paying for public housing for the terminally lazy... I'm not paying for the terminally insane too.

They should open the Asylums back up... would help reduce the crime rate too... at least the part they are responsible for.

Petty crime only the real problem is the drug dealers and gangs look you have a prison system keep them there wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Petty crime only the real problem is the drug dealers and gangs look you have a prison system keep them there wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway

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The one thing Mao actually did well... was deal with the issue of drug abusers... cured them once and for all.

Yes a little work cures a lot of social ills

The food stamp program also allows ADM and the other major food companies to peddle processed corn chips and high fructose corn syrup beverages to the poor on the taxpayer's dime. It's a multi-level scam.

Tom the way I see it the food industry is a total scam but what are you going to do when you let capital tell you what to eat

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Tom the way i see it the food industry is a total scam but what are you going to do when you let capital tell you what to eat

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We can let the Socialists grow their own food to feed themselves.

THe problem will take care of itself inside of a year. Most of them will starve.

Your farmers might make huge profits... but ours don't. The middlemen make all the money, and even then supermarkets run at a very slim profit margin.. But then.. look at how many of the younger generation really know how to cook. And by cook I don't mean take something out of the freezer and put it in the microwave,

End the raisin subsidies... or maybe we can put them in 55 gal blue plastic drums and sell them direct to the Dominican Republic by passing the Food stamp recipients who are scamming the system.
EXCLUSIVE: Dominican Republic scammers sell welfare food bought in NYC and shipped in barrels - NYPOST.com

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A Florida congressman has introduced a bill that would eliminate one of the U.S. government's most unusual institutions: the Raisin Administrative Committee, keepers of the national raisin reserve.

The raisin reserve is a program established by the Truman administration which gives the Agriculture Department a heavy-handed power to meddle in the supply and demand for raisins.

To limit the supply of raisins on the market, the government can simply take tons of raisins from the farmers who grew them. The raisins go into a “reserve.” They are often kept off the U.S. market: sold overseas, perhaps, or given to needy schoolchildren.

Sometimes, the farmers don't get paid a cent in return.

A decade ago, California farmer Marvin Horne defied the reserve, refusing to hand over his raisins to the government. The Agriculture Department took him to court, and this year the case reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

The high court sent Horne's case back to an appeals court in California, which will soon hear Horne's argument that the Constitution prohibits government from taking his raisins without just compensation. Horne's case was featured in a Washington Post article in early July.

On Thursday, Rep. Trey Radel (R) introduced a bill that would eliminate the reserve's legal underpinnings. It would end the 1949 rule, Marketing Order 989, that created the Raisin Administrative Committee and the reserve.

“In my opinion, this is nothing short of theft,” said Radel, a freshman member from the Fort Myers area. He said he had no ties to the raisin industry or to raisin farmers, mainly located thousands of miles away in Northern California.

“I think it violates the Fifth Amendment [principle] of just compensation,” Radel said. “Because there's no compensation. Because they just go in there and take the raisins.”

Radel's bill has been referred to the House Agriculture Committee, of which Radel is not a member.

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Florida congressman’s bill would do away with U.S. raisin reserve - The Washington Post

Raisin Administrative Committee?? Really?? Nahhh the government isn't too big!

I posted earlier about one raisin grower that refused to cooperate. Of course the feds are not happy about that.

Can't get all those DC fruitcakes without raisins I suppose

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Originally Posted by tomder55

can't get all those DC fruitcakes without raisins I suppose

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That explains it.

Just read an article about the case where the author claims that the selfish farmer is practicing
Free-market absolutism and doesn't care if he hurts the collective with plummeting prices.

Their absolute dedication to the collective is why Democrats get a pass on their personal behavior. It's why the Humas of the world and the Gosnell victims can be sacrificed, they'rejust taking one for the team. What's a few individual casualties for the cause?

Hello again,

Well, if this has devolved into your ordinary b!tch section, nobody sucks worse than right wingers. I don't have to list the reasons. Everybody knows them.

excon

Well done ex you were able to discern something positive out of that diatribe

Raisin protectionism would most likely benefit blue state Kalifornia more than any other . I've already taken positive action . I boycott raisins in favor of craisins .

I've always boycotted raisins, can't stand the things, especially when someone hides them in a cinnamon roll.

Hello again, Steve:

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I've always boycotted raisins, can't stand the things, especially when someone hides them in a cinnamon roll.

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Pssst.. Them ain't raisins... Kalifornia raisin growers substitute rabbit turds in the boxes headed for Texas.

Excon