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Hello:
Right wingers are looking for scandal everywhere they can. But, I got one I'll bet they won't embrace. Remember when they were yelling and hollering about the Senate NOT passing a budget? THAT was their scandal of the day...
Guess what? The Senate DID pass a budget, but can you imagine who's blocking the budget conference committee?? That's right. It's right winger Ted Cruz..
I thought right wingers WANTED the Senate to pass a budget... No, huh? What DO they want?
excon
I don't believe there was ever a call for the Senate to finally get off their a$$es and pass an IRRESPONSIBLE budget. Thank God for Cruz, someone needs to protect our interests and he seems to have the balls to do it. Love the guy.
Hello again,
Darrell Issa rips Jay Carney on IRS abuses: A 'paid liar' While the right wing is rubbing their hands in glee, the rest of the world sees a partisan BEING partisan, and is NOT to be trusted to run an investigation..
The problem with his partisanship, is if he DOES uncover corruption, nobody is going to believe it. Of course, you wingers ALREADY believe it.
A Sam Irvin, he's NOT.
excon
I think you misunderestimate the public's disdain for the IRS, especially if they've been screwing us over more than normal.
Hello again, Steve:
I think you misunderstand what Issa is trying to do.. And, I don't disagree with YOU, at all. If Issa uncovers bad conduct, there will be NO sympathy for the IRS. The public will believe ANYTHING about them. The IRS sucks, and everybody knows it, with the millions they waste..
But Issa doesn't want the IRS. You don't either.. He wants Obama. But, when he says stuff like:nobody, who ISN'T a rabid right winger, will believe him.Quote:
My Gut Tells Me That Too Many People Knew That This (IRS) Wrongdoing Was Going On'
Excon
I think it's the right who misread the publics disdain for the IRS. It's a lot more stuff that's a lot more important to ordinary people and is only one department of government that needs fixing.
The more important question everyone wants to know is the solutions that come from it. Impeaching Obama and throwing rocks is what you guys do, but implementing fixes isn't something you righties have ever done.
As dysfunctional as this government is I can't help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything. But I get it, you're just following the rulebook.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Name three things they have fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
These people don't watch the Sunday shows, and MSNBC only has a half million viewers on a good night.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hello again, Steve:
These people?? You're talking about the American public. I don't think Issa is going to fool 'em.Quote:
These people don't watch the Sunday shows, and MSNBC only has a half million viewers on a good night.
As I said, YOU are the ones who believe Obama is up to his neck in scandal. It FITS your narrative from the beginning. But, YOU are the ONLY ones who believe it.
If you want to convince the American public, like Sam Irvin convinced them about Nixon, you're going to need a serious attack dog, and Issa is a joke...
Excon
Ah, as I thought. You can't, can't you, because there aren't even three.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, the American public. You aren't going to get much traction with that line of attack because a) most didn't watch Issa and b) they're going to side with him against the IRS. Toss in the fact that the administration's defense seems to be "we're stupid and incompetent" and you're going to need to find another argument to sway the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know what's so hard, here. The public HATES the IRS. They DON'T hate Obama.
excon
I made no argument for anything being fixed by anyone, I laughed at Tal's logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't know what's so hard here, if they didn't hear Issa it ain't going to matter and if they did it ain't going to matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
But you said:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I see you're sticking with making a fool of yourself. Have fun with that, I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ah yes, the right-winger tactic: "if you repeat something often enough it makes it true".
I think its gotten to the point that you totally forget what you type 10 minutes after you type it - then you get offended when people show it to you.
Dude, I keep trying to help but you insist on being an idiot. Quoting me out of context and assigning your own interpretation to it doesn't make it true. Now leave me the hell alone, troll.
People should be held accountable for what they say.
At no point have I hurled personal insults at you but that's all you throw back at me. So much so that you get posts deleted.
The quote totally in context BTW.
Good, because that's what I'm doing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh, boo hoo, cry me a river. The personal insult you hurled at me is your constant attacks on my integrity, consistently misrepresenting my remarks and if this were ion real life, bordering on harassment, which is apparently OK with the mods here as long as it's you doing so .Quote:
At no point have I hurled personal insults at you but that's all you throw back at me. So much so that you get posts deleted.
Not even closer Bucko, I referred to the PRESENT administration, a fact you omitted.Quote:
The quote totally in context BTW.
Your version: "I can' help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything."
What I actually said: "As dysfunctional as this government is I can't help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything."
The only ones in position to fix things are Democrats and they've FAILED miserably so it's laughable to whine about Republicans not fixing things considering how dysfunctional the present administration is. Got it?
Now, I'll thank you for ceasing to pretend you know and understand better than I do what I've said and if you continue to stalk me I'll continue to humiliate you.
Then I will rephrase my question that seems to be under discussion -- "what have the righties EVER fixed? Name three things."Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ended slavery, ended Jimmy Carter's presidency and won the cold war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Republican Party of the 1800's, when it was the liberal, progressive party of the North, was the party that took a stronger stand against slavery, while the racist, southern Democrats wanted to appease the South, and let slavery continue. Thank god for liberal, progressive ideas.
Ah, I see you got the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Did you get this memo yet?
Um, that was not rocket science. I mean geez Tal, after 12 years of a liberal indoctrination only to go to the people's republic of higher education what would you expect? I give you guys that much, you've done a damn good job of brainwashing our children. Shame on you, but you do it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Maybe for a brief period during Teddy Roosevelt's term... other than that the Republican party has never been accused of being liberal progressive. But nice revisionist history .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's a fairly short list, what have they done lately? Oh! I know the answer to that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Im not sure that is true. It was Richard Nixon that got civil rights laws passed and also he led the way for the passing of Roe v Wade. At the time it was seen as hyper progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Good point dad . And to that point ;the GOP moderate movement has been an extension of Nixonianism.
Your right wing faction is the one challenging the moderates of the GOP, and making any compromise impossible. They require much attention and red meat and holler rather loudly if they don't get it. Repubs have little choice but to feed the beast or have no voting base to build on in the congress.
I think we all suffer when there is no compromises possible to solve our national issues, no matter how reasonable and small they may be.
Compromise to the Dems means Republic concessions and none from the Dem side. It's always
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For the Dems .There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending (except military ) that is acceptable.
Same for the republicans. They will not do what you want them to do, you need to realize that.Quote:
There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending (except military ) that is acceptable.
Hello again, tom:
For the Republicans, there is NEVER a tax increase on the richest of the rich, to PAY for the spending.Quote:
for the Dems .There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending
Look.. The spending isn't for hammers @ $400 each like Reagan was paying. It's so children can EAT. I'm all for eating. Bummer that you're not.
It's also important to note that the richest of the rich, have gotten MUCH richer over the last 30 years, while YOU and ME are getting poorer and poorer every day. So, there's NO QUESTION that they can AFFORD to give back.
Excon
Back to actual scandals, the most transparent administration EVER seems to have a fairly widespread habit of using secret email accounts... and demanding $1 million for the release of FOIA info to the media.
I don't know about you but I find the excuse lame and the claim that these accounts are included in requests for info is obviously a lie. I want to know why there is even ONE secret account being used for official business.Quote:
Some of President Barack Obama's political appointees, including the secretary for Health and Human Services, are using secret government email accounts they say are necessary to prevent their inboxes from being overwhelmed with unwanted messages, according to a review by The Associated Press.
The scope of using the secret accounts across government remains a mystery: Most U.S. agencies have failed to turn over lists of political appointees' email addresses, which the AP sought under the Freedom of Information Act more than three months ago. The Labor Department initially asked the AP to pay more than $1 million for its email addresses.
The AP asked for the addresses following last year's disclosures that the former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency had used separate email accounts at work. The practice is separate from officials who use personal, non-government email accounts for work, which generally is discouraged - but often happens anyway - due to laws requiring that most federal records be preserved.
The secret email accounts complicate an agency's legal responsibilities to find and turn over emails in response to congressional or internal investigations, civil lawsuits or public records requests because employees assigned to compile such responses would necessarily need to know about the accounts to search them. Secret accounts also drive perceptions that government officials are trying to hide actions or decisions.
"What happens when that person doesn't work there anymore? He leaves and someone makes a request (to review emails) in two years," said Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, an open government group. "Who's going to know to search the other accounts? You would hope that agencies doing this would keep a list of aliases in a desk drawer, but you know that isn't happening."
Agencies where the AP so far has identified secret addresses, including the Labor Department and HHS, said maintaining non-public email accounts allows senior officials to keep separate their internal messages with agency employees from emails they exchange with the public. They also said public and non-public accounts are always searched in response to official requests and the records are provided as necessary.
The AP couldn't independently verify the practice. It searched hundreds of pages of government emails previously released under the open records law and found only one instance of a published email with a secret address: an email from Labor Department spokesman Carl Fillichio to 34 coworkers in 2010 was turned over to an advocacy group, Americans for Limited Government. It included as one recipient the non-public address for Seth D. Harris, currently the acting labor secretary, who maintains at least three separate email accounts.
Google can't find any reference on the Internet to the secret address for HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Congressional oversight committees told the AP they were unfamiliar with the non-public government addresses identified so far by the AP.
Ten agencies have not yet turned over lists of email addresses, including the Environmental Protection Agency; the Pentagon; and the departments of Veterans Affairs, Transportation, Treasury, Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Homeland Security, Commerce and Agriculture. All have said they are working on a response to the AP.
White House spokesman Eric Schultz declined to comment.
The size of government has shrunk, so has the debt, but of course those facts are never acknowledged at all on the right. Nor is the fact that kids and old people are being cut from food, and education programs.
Congress is investigating scandals and service women get raped and assaulted. The right hollers rights, and denies everybody else's rights. Politics over people and mo' money for the rich guys while nothing trickles down.
No one wants women getting raped anywhere, so you fix that while we demand accountability from the government crooks. And by the way, your guy in the White House and the Dems in charge are as bad as anyone if not worse at both enriching themselves and their cronies. And you and ex are both right that it ain't trickling down, but you refuse to blame those actually running the show - who by the way continue to be exposed as more and more corrupt by the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
Blame?? The buck stops at their desk. They need to FIX it.Quote:
but you refuse to blame those actually running the show - who by the way continue to be exposed as more and more corrupt by the day.
But, if you mean blame, as in they DID it, then I'd need a little proof first.. Just a tad will do. I've asked, and asked and even asked again, for some. But you ain't got any. All you got is right wing flapping gums.
Excon
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