Ask Me Help Desk

Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum.php)
-   Current Events (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=486)
-   -   Panic on the left, aka KDS (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=745894)

  • Apr 24, 2013, 02:43 PM
    speechlesstx
    Panic on the left, aka KDS
    Seems the Koch brothers are interested buying some newspapers via a purchase of the Tribune Company. One WaPo columnist wonders What would the Koch brothers do to the Los Angeles Times? Perhaps the most ridiculous line is “Given the nature of the Kochs’ investment in grass-roots activism and politics, that doesn’t bode well for the kind of fact-based journalism that most American newspapers strive to practice.”

    Honestly I didn't know most papers here practiced journalism at all much less anything "fact-based." See Benghazi, 2012 election, Fast and Furious, etc.

    The Courage Campaign Daily Kos apparently tried to run had an ad campaign trying to get the Tribune Company to refuse to sell to the Kochs. The ad?

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-productio...png?1364594938

    OK, what are these objective news sources they refer to? Is there any real reason not to sell to the Kochs or any real reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own a media company? Afraid of a little competition or what?
  • Apr 24, 2013, 02:59 PM
    tomder55
    Here is a book about one of the 'gatekeepers of truth' .

    Amazon.com: Buried by the Times: The Holocaust and America's Most Important Newspaper (9780521607827): Laurel Leff: Books

    An in-depth look at how The New York Times failed in its coverage of the fate of European Jews from 1939-1945. It examines how the decisions that were made at The Times ultimately resulted in the minimizing and misunderstanding of modern history's worst genocide. Laurel Leff, a veteran journalist and professor of journalism, recounts how personal relationships at the newspaper, the assimilationist tendencies of The Times' Jewish owner, and the ethos of mid-century America, all led The Times to consistently downplay news of the Holocaust. It recalls how news of Hitler's 'final solution' was hidden from readers and - because of the newspaper's influence on other media - from America at large. Buried by The Times is required reading for anyone interested in America's response to the Holocaust and for anyone curious about how journalists determine what is newsworthy.
  • Apr 24, 2013, 03:06 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Buried by The Times is required reading for anyone interested in America's response to the Holocaust and for anyone curious about how journalists determine what is newsworthy.[/I]


    Re that last line, I forgot to include the stellar coverage of this front page story in reference to the fine journalistic efforts of media giants such as the NY Times..
  • Apr 24, 2013, 03:08 PM
    tomder55
    I wonder if the Tribune will accept the Koch bucks ,or take the high ground and sell to' Al Gorezeera' If the Koch Bros. buy it expect to see some Journ-0-lists looking for new work.
  • Apr 24, 2013, 03:17 PM
    Tuttyd
    Objective new source? What is the worst that can happen? It will go from a left wing propaganda news sheet to a right wing propaganda news sheet.

    Of course they are involved in grass-roots activism. They are smart business people. If you see a growing popularity of a niche market then you buy into it.You don't really think grass-roots activism would get anywhere without corporate involvement. Do you?
  • Apr 24, 2013, 03:33 PM
    tomder55
    Tutt I'll ask George Soros and get back to you,
  • Apr 24, 2013, 04:01 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Tutt I'll ask George Soros and get back to you,


    Who's George Soros? Part of the ruling elite?
  • Apr 24, 2013, 04:49 PM
    paraclete
    You don't know who George Soros is? Dude

    George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • Apr 25, 2013, 07:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Here's yet another story that a Koch-owned newspaper might publish... I just hope none of the perps ever has a child... er, I mean never has a child with autism

    Quote:

    Animal-rights activists wreak havoc in Milan laboratory

    University says loss of animals and lab records may ruin years of work on psychiatric diseases.

    Alison Abbott

    22 April 2013

    A University of Milan lab raided by animal-rights activists hosted rodents used in psychiatric research.

    Activists occupied an animal facility at the University of Milan, Italy, at the weekend, releasing mice and rabbits and mixing up cage labels to confuse experimental protocols. Researchers at the university say that it will take years to recover their work.

    Many of the animals at the facility are genetic models for psychiatric disorders such as autism and schizophrenia.

    No arrests have been made following the 12-hour drama, which took place on Saturday, although the university says that it will press charges against the protesters. The activists took some of the animals and were told during negotiations that they would be permitted to come back later and take more.

    The attack was staged by the animal-rights group that calls itself Fermare Green Hill (or Stop Green Hill), in reference to the Green Hill dog-breeding facility near Brescia, Italy, which it targets for closure. Five activists entered laboratories in the university’s pharmacology department on Saturday morning. The lack of signs of a break-in suggests that the activists may have used an illegally acquired electronic card, says pharmacologist Francesca Guidobono-Cavalchini, who works there. They prised open the reinforced doors of the facility on the fourth floor, and two of them chained themselves by the neck to the main double doors such that any attempt to open the doors could have endangered their lives.

    They posted pictures of themselves on their organisation’s website, where they also declared that they would stay for as long as it took to get agreement to leave with all the animals. The facility hosts around 800 animals, mostly genetically modified mice but also some rabbits, according to Martino Bolognesi, a structural biologist at the university. The activists had brought supplies of food and sleeping bags.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of animal-rights sympathizers demonstrated outside, according to reports in the Italian press.

    Researchers who turned up at the lab to work on their experiments found dozens of civil and military police at the scene, says Guidobono-Cavalchini.

    Paola Viani, deputy director of the pharmacology department, worked with police to negotiate with the activists. By evening they had reached a compromise whereby the activists left with fewer than 100 animals, with the understanding that they could return for the rest later; negotiations about whether they may do so are still continuing, according Bolognesi.

    Some of the mice they removed were delicate mutants and immunosuppressed ‘nude’ mice, which die very quickly outside controlled environments.

    In addition to mixing up animals and cage labels to ensure that ongoing experiments would be ruined, the activists also took the names of the experimenters from the cage labels, some of which they later published on their Facebook page.

    The university is now calculating the damages and deciding what charges it will press, according to Guidobono-Cavalchini.

    Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

    “It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says.
    Yeah those darn scientists got what was coming to them.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 03:10 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You don't know who George Soros is? dude

    George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Apparently he also bank-rolls grass roots organizations. It is comforting to know that people such as Soros and the Koch brothers are,"do'en it for the average bloke"
  • Apr 26, 2013, 06:53 AM
    tomder55
    Soros is a criminal .The Koch Bros. are not.
    Soros Insider-Trade Appeal Rejected by Human Rights Court - Bloomberg
    He's a pirate who brought down the Bank of England and created financial panics in Thailand,and Malaysia.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:00 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Soros is a criminal .The Koch Bros. are not.
    Soros Insider-Trade Appeal Rejected by Human Rights Court - Bloomberg
    He's a pirate who brought down the Bank of England and created financial panics in Thailand,and Malaysia.

    Well, that makes all the difference then. I'll pass that onto the 90% of the population.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:05 AM
    talaniman
    Yeah those Koch brothers are upstanding citizens all right.

    Kochs: Under the Radar, Lawsuits, Violations, and Other Bad Deeds | Watchdog Progressive
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:15 AM
    Tuttyd
    Very good Tom. Is this some sort of attempt to defend the ruling elite? I am sure if you defend hard enough there will be a proper seat for you at the table, while the rest of us accept the crumbs.

    They play by their own rules and we are the spectators. Too big to prosecute, too big to fail. I am sure this group is acting in your best interests.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    And this: Koch Brothers Exposed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:32 AM
    speechlesstx
    Exactly what crimes have the Kochs committed besides being wealthy conservatives?
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:44 AM
    NeedKarma
    Tal's link list many of them.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 07:55 AM
    speechlesstx
    A lawsuit is not a crime and damn near everyone that works under federal regulations, especially EPA or DOT, has been cited at some point. Take a look for yourself.

    I repeat, exactly what crimes have the Kochs committed besides being wealthy conservatives?
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:04 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Very good Tom. Is this some sort of attempt to defend the ruling elite? I am sure if you defend hard enough there will be a proper seat for you at the table, while the rest of us accept the crumbs.

    They play by their own rules and we are the spectators. Too big to prosecute, too big to fail. I am sure this group is acting in your best interests.

    NOBODY is bigger that Soros. The Koch Bros don't represent the ruling elite ,not even close . Soros has been funding them since the Clintoon reign .
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:04 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Tal's link list many of them.

    Apparently none of these people actually do a crime.These types of indiscretions are regarded as misdemeanors. You pay the fine or penalty and go about your business as usual. Committing a crime is for the rest of us Plebs.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:08 AM
    tomder55
    It's almost impossible to avoid some violation of the volumes of rules and regulations governing business in this country . All it really takes is an auditor looking to climb up the heirachy ladder ,with a unique interpretation of a rule that 90 % of the other regulators would over-look.
    Soros on the other hand is a criminal who lost criminal cases in the French justice system ,and appeals at the World Court.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:09 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Apparently none of these people actually do a crime.These types of indiscretions are regarded as misdemeanors. You pay the fine or penalty and go about your business as usual. Committing a crime is for the rest of us Plebs.

    Your colors are showing again, relying on a left-wing blog's spin . "These men should be in jail" is obviously objective journalism.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:11 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    NOBODY is bigger that Soros. The Koch Bros don't represent the ruling elite ,not even close . Soros has been funding them since the Clintoon reign .

    That's fine Tom you keep believing that.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:15 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Your colors are showing again, relying on a left-wing blog's spin . "These men should be in jail" is obviously objective journalism.

    I didn't say they should be in gaol. Did I?

    Tut
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:21 AM
    NeedKarma
    Here is a rundown with sources:
    Koch Industries - SourceWatch
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:35 AM
    speechlesstx
    If nothing else tit's clear that KDS is a real affliction.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 08:37 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    It's almost impossible to avoid some violation of the volumes of rules and regulations governing business in this country . All it really takes is an auditor looking to climb up the heirachy ladder ,with a unique interpretation of a rule that 90 % of the other regulators would over-look.
    Soros on the other hand is a criminal who lost criminal cases in the French justice system ,and appeals at the World Court.

    While running the risk of being influenced by the Blogs; didn't the article say that criminal charges weren't pursued by the regulators? Your clarification on French jurisprudence would be appreciated.
  • Apr 26, 2013, 01:07 PM
    talaniman
    While prosecutors filed criminal charges, French stock market regulators didn't pursue Soros, saying insider-trading laws were too vague to determine whether he'd broken them.

    “The conviction is so old it has been expunged pursuant to French law,” Soffer said.
  • Apr 27, 2013, 04:00 AM
    tomder55
    All I know is that the NY Slimes has vindicated Andrew Breitbart and his investigation into the massive Pigford settlement fraud by the Obama Agriculture and Justice Dept . The Soros funded 'Media Matters' smeared Breitbart for years because of his investigation into the illegal and unconstitutional money transfers that resulted in a $4.4 billion theft by the Obots for payouts to anyone who falsely claimed they were a minority farmer who had been against .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us...anted=all&_r=0

    The Soros Media Matters didn't give a damn about the truth . Their role was to give cover to the corrupt Obama Adm.'s pilfer of the public funds.
  • Apr 27, 2013, 08:03 AM
    talaniman
    Too bad Brietbart never went back far enough to get all the facts. This crap started with discrimination back in the 20's but never came to light until the 70's. Even your article sites 3600 of 4400 claimants have won their cases in a court of law, and many more will follow.

    I know you guys are really mad that ordinary people can have a day or two in court, and win. Burns conservative butts don't it?
  • Apr 27, 2013, 10:40 AM
    excon
    Hello,

    My rich guy is better than YOUR rich guy.. NO, he isn't. Yes, he is.. Oh, NOOOO he isn't... Ohhhhh, YESSSSSS, he is..

    You've managed to fill 3 pages with this BS..

    excon
  • Apr 27, 2013, 11:13 AM
    tomder55
    So the Obama Agriculture and Justice Dept theft of money that wasn't allocated to the program doesn't bother you at all. And it doesn't bother you that they gave much of this money to 'fake farmers ' that had no real claim to it... ie $1.33 billion to compensate not just the 91 plaintiffs but thousands of Hispanic and female farmers who had never claimed bias in court.

    I assume you are aware that bribery is one of the two specific crimes listed in the Constitution that a sitting President can be impeached for. And if this wasn't vote buying I don't know what is.

    From the article :“From the start, the claims process prompted allegations of widespread fraud and criticism that its very design encouraged people to lie: because relatively few records remained to verify accusations, claimants were not required to present documentary evidence that they had been unfairly treated or had even tried to farm. Agriculture Department reviewers found reams of suspicious claims, from nursery-school-age children and pockets of urban dwellers, sometimes in the same handwriting with nearly identical accounts of discrimination.”
    So don't talk about discrimination going back to the 1920s . That is completely irrelevant to the issue unless you are now telling me that this massive fraud and theft of the public treasury was justified as some form of reparations conducted by executive action.

    And of course you are aware that the original farmers, who actually had a case for discrimination, haven't gotten a damn thing yet .

    As for your distortion about the number of successful claims ;the article addresses that too :
    In 16 ZIP codes in Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi and North Carolina, the number of successful claimants exceeded the total number of farms operated by people of any race in 1997, the year the lawsuit was filed. Those applicants received nearly $100 million.....Former federal officials said the bar for a successful claim was so low that it was almost impossible to show criminality. .
  • Apr 27, 2013, 03:33 PM
    talaniman
    So the courts were in on it to huh?
  • Apr 27, 2013, 04:04 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Former federal officials said the bar for a successful claim was so low that it was almost impossible to show criminality. .
    That is a direct quote from the Slimes expose . Here are some other revelations... SCOTUS narrowed the legitimate claims to 91 plaintiffs . How is it then that thousands of plaintiffs were paid off ? No it's not the courts ;its the fraud in the Obama Adm that is at issue.
    The deal according to SEVERAL CURRENT and FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS said, was fashioned behind closed doors in White House meetings over the vehement objections of career lawyers and agency officials who argued that there was no credible evidence of widespread discrimination;and that the template for the deal had proved a magnet for fraud.
    Stop defending the indefensible .
  • Apr 27, 2013, 04:12 PM
    tomder55
    And not only does the Ag Dept give " farmers" settlement money for never farming... they also promote giving free food to illegal immigrants.
    Shocking US government leaflet tells Mexican immigrants they can collect food stamp benefits without admitting they're in the country illegally | Mail Online
  • Apr 27, 2013, 04:39 PM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    they also promote giving free food to illegal immigrants.
    OMG!

    Excon
  • Apr 27, 2013, 04:56 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That is a direct quote from the Slimes expose . Here are some other revelations ..... SCOTUS narrowed the legitimate claims to 91 plaintiffs . How is it then that thousands of plaintiffs were paid off ? No it's not the courts ;its the fraud in the Obama Adm that is at issue.
    The deal according to SEVERAL CURRENT and FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS said, was fashioned behind closed doors in White House meetings over the vehement objections of career lawyers and agency officials who argued that there was no credible evidence of widespread discrimination;and that the template for the deal had proved a magnet for fraud.
    Stop defending the indefensible .


    Tom, you are confusing good journalism with bad journalism. The whole idea of having a left wing media and a right wing media is so they can demonstrate that they don't give a dam about the truth.

    This is when you took up the line that my rich guys are more honest that your rich guys. To pursue that line is an exercise in futility. What you have come up with now is an exercise in good journalism.
  • Apr 27, 2013, 07:08 PM
    tomder55
    My point was the Breitbart was practicing good investigative journalism 2 years ago ;and the Soros funded 'Media Matters ' smeared him for daring to expose the fraudster in the White House .
  • Apr 27, 2013, 07:41 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    My point was the Breitbart was practicing good investigative journalism 2 years ago ;and the Soros funded 'Media Matters ' smeared him for daring to expose the fraudster in the White House .

    No doubt that this is true, but it only serves an example of how the left wing media are not interested in the truth. In exactly the same way as it is easy to find examples of how the right wing media are not interested in the truth.

    What's the point of trying to demonstrate that your rich guys are more honest than my rich guys. Many of them are dishonest when it comes to the truth regardless of their political leanings. Why? Because they run left and right wing media.
  • Apr 28, 2013, 02:44 AM
    tomder55
    I'll tell you why... because it is the left that demonizes the rich .They decry their influence at the same time they embrace their influence . They call for punitive redistribution at the same time they carve out exceptions for their rich. The true goal which they fail to acknowledge is to keep the club exclusive by eliminating any chance of anyone else joining the club... all the while using the language of egalitarian. You see it here ;the language they use. When we point out the hypocrisy of someone like Soros who owns 1.9 million shares of Halliburton (a company they hate ) or Gore and the Hollywood elites flying around on gas-guzzling, atmosphere-polluting private jets while railing against global climate change ,or the clowns at Wall Street and their revolving door between Wall Street and Washington they defend their actions while at the same time railing against them .
    They killed Romney over his off shore investments while being funded by Soros who moved his headquarters to the tax free Caribbean country of Curaçao to avoid paying the US taxes he supports . If the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson is funding campaigns they scream about campaign finance reform while turning a complete blind eye to the Democracy Alliance, a secretive organization of progressive millionaires and billionaires who finance a spider's web network of foundations and Super PACs that operate with undisclosed “dark money.”
    Democratic super PACs get jump on 2014, 2016 - POLITICO.com Print View
    According to their narrative ,money in politics is corrupting only because rich Republican businessmen trade campaign donations for low taxes and fewer environmental regulations.
    Then they call for 100% public financing of elections which not only would pick the pocket of the commoner ;but cement in place the permanence of a ruling elite that would have their grubby paws on all the money allocated to campaigns .
    This foundational idea that Republicans act out of self-interest while Democrats act out of the public interest is the keystone to the mythology of your everyday Democrat. It's simplistic and bogus ,and I will continue to point it out no matter how many times they dismiss their participation in it as no big thing.For every Sheldon Adelson ,there is more than one Jeffrey Katzenberg . But of course he ,and Al Gore ,and George Soros are only doing it for altruistic reasons as their own coffers get ever larger.

  • All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:54 PM.