Hello:

Nationally, the GOP is reconsidering how it should approach people who were disaffected by them during the last election. Primarily, that would be women and people of color... Yet, on the STATE level, the GOP is disaffecting them even HARDER.

Irrespective of the long waiting times for people to vote, 30 state legislatures have enacted laws to make it even HARDER. Those same state legislatures are virtually, and unconstitutionally, ELIMINATING abortion in their state.

The war on women and people of color (I MEAN the disaffection of people), CONTINUES.

What's the end game? Will there be abortion? Will there be easy voting?

excon

How about taking a look at your own side... that if they go any further left... they are going to come back around as the far right.

Damn, if only we had taxpayer money that should be used for cancer research to smear liberals we might get somewhere.

Long lines and long waits were the rare exception, and usually occurred in early voting sites, and not on election day. That is because the Dems pumped and promoted early voting .So on the 1st day of early voting there were long lines in urban areas. The President in his SOTU address higlighted Desiline Victor ,an 80+ woman who stood in line for six hours But Zero omitted that she voted on the first day of a seven day early voting period.Had she chose another day ,including election day ,she would not have waited that long. The main reason for this of course is that there are FEWER early voting locations open than on election day. Most communities uses school auditoriums ,libraries that are closed on election day as their polling place. Obviously you can't shut them down for a week or more during the early voting period. To call long lines at early voting locations an attempt at voter repression is a patently absurd notion.

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Those same state legislatures are virtually, and unconstitutionally, ELIMINATING abortion in their state.

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There is nothing unconstitutional in their actions .Roe v. Wade found that states have a “compelling” interest in protecting a fetus that “presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb.”
The problem here is that the science has advanced and we now know that those babies have the capacity of meaningful life outside the womb(aka viability ) at a much earlier age than was imagined in 1973. The flaws of the Roe ruling are catching up with it.

Funny how if the woman kills the fetus... its "her right"

But if another person does something that results in killing that same fetus... its called murder.

The hypocrisy is eliminating poor women choices, as well to do and upper income woman have the resoures and options that are not affected by this debate at all. Again the issue is not abortion, but poverty. We all share blame in a system that allows poverty to grow when the ecomomy struggles because of poor circulation.

47 million people on food stamps, 20 million people out of work, or working part-time with no benefits, gas and food prices doubling every 3 years since Obama became President, and no jobs to speak of for college graduates. In 2010, 11, and 12, less than half of all college graduates found jobs, many just part-time.
Democrats gave 6 Trillion dollars, almost, to Big Banks CEO's, and have nothing to show for it. Now, Obama and the Dems want to give mortgages to those who can't afford them, just like what started all the recessions in the first place.
Over half the people in America now like being "taken care of" by the Big Federal Gov't. with unemployment money being given way past the original 22 weeks.
Sure, they will vote Democrat, cause they like it... not having to work and still draw money!
Unless the Republicans can come up with some way to create jobs, without Democrat interference, America is lost.

Hello fred:

George Bush broke economy. It was almost as bad as the great depression.. Some right wingers think we can just bounce back from that. Others know it takes some doing.

It HELPS if you have a congress willing to participate, but Obama has been met with pure obstructionism. Nonetheless, as the chart shows, he's done pretty good.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The hypocracy is eliminating poor women choices, as well to do and upper income woman have the resoures and options that are not affected by this debate at all. Again the issue is not abortion, but poverty. We all share blame in a system that allows poverty to grow when the ecomomy struggles because of poor circulation.

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Blah, blah, blah, I'm sick of hearing you guys talk about choices, you only defend the choice you agree with.

Generally I defend the your right to your choices.

Perhaps you should teach that principle to others.

The right wing doesn't have to move at all, the federal government is simply declaring it so. The Department of Defense now classifies evangelical Christians and Catholics as "religious extremists" alongside al qaeda. But hey, aren't there more than quite a few liberal evangelicals and Catholics? Didn't know you were akin to al qaeda did you?

DoD labels Catholics and evangelical protestants 'extreme' | Washington Free Beacon

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“Religious extremism is not limited to any single religion, ethnic group, or region of the world,” the slide explains, in language that closely resembles the text of a Wikipedia page on “extremism.”

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You may as well read the whole thing before you take the authors opinion as fact.

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/ExtremismPresentation.pdf

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Extremism is a complex phenomenon; it is defined as beliefs, attitudes, feelings, actions, or
Strategies of a character far removed from the “ordinary.” Because “ordinary” is subjective,
No religious group would label itself extreme or its doctrine “extremism.” However,
Religious extremism is not limited to any single religion, ethnic group, or region of the
World; every religion has some followers that believe that their beliefs, customs and
Traditions are the only “right way” and that all others are practicing their faith the “wrong
Way,” seeing and believing that their faith/religion superior to all others.
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Pretty obvious the DOD presentation was specific enough as not to include all protestants, or catholics so why is the author getting his panties in a bunch? Why would you even say the DOD meant ALL you religious types?

Hello Steve:

Do you think extremists KNOW they're extremists?? I don't think they do. I think THEY think they're patriots. Let's take your side for a minute... In terms of guns, there's a viewpoint among some, that they NEED their guns to FORCE a solution on America that can't be won at the ballot box. That's EXACTLY what Sharron Angle meant, when she spoke of using her second Amendment remedies...

It's true, she lost.. But, she DID win the Republican nomination, so her views are held by LOTS of right wingers. It may EVEN be held by you. In any case, I promise you that NONE of those people think they're extremists, yet they're UNBELIEVABLY extreme. They're an RCH away from being Tim McVey type extremists..

excon

An Army spokesperson said the presentation “was produced by an individual without anyone in the chain of command's knowledge or permission.” The Army removed the offending slide after receiving complaints.

The person responsible for the presentation, the spokesperson said, “was not a subject matter expert, and produced the material after conducting Internet research.”


Huh?? Someone who is not an expert in the subject is preparing slide presentations for Army Reservists about potential domestic terrorists ?
Why don't I buy that line ?

I don't buy it either. Bad enough that embellishment changes the whole intent, and purpose but even worse when it's a call to action for the nut job crowd.

Tal don't get me wrong.. there is zero justification for the grouping... it was more a Sesame Street exercise in which of these groups do NOT belong... put together by someone that must have had an agenda ( the same types that smear conservatives as potential domestic terrorists ) . I just don't buy that someone responsible in the DOD chain of command had NO knowledge of the presentation ,or it's contents ,until it was called out.

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Hello Steve:

Do you think extremists KNOW they're extremists??? I don't think they do. I think THEY think they're patriots. Let's take your side for a minute... In terms of guns, there's a viewpoint among some, that they NEED their guns to FORCE a solution on America that can't be won at the ballot box. That's EXACTLY what Sharron Angle meant, when she spoke of using her second Amendment remedies...

It's true, she lost.. But, she DID win the Republican nomination, so her views are held by LOTS of right wingers. It may EVEN be held by you. In any case, I promise you that NONE of those people think they're extremists, yet they're UNBELIEVABLY extreme. They're an RCH away from being Tim McVey type extremists..

excon

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Yes, by all means we need liberal idiots to label us all. And I thought libs hated profiling. This is stupid and irresponsible, not to mention 'extremely' divisive.

Hello again, Steve:

Touched a nerve, huh? Does it make it better that I think I'm an extremist too? As quickly as you'd take up arms against tyranny, is as quickly as I would. We just don't agree on what's tyranny.

excon

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Yes, by all means we need liberal idiots to label us all. And I thought libs hated profiling. This is stupid and irresponsible, not to mention 'extremely' divisive.

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Some of you guy with guns are dangerous, and kill people. Need a link to Kaufman Co. TX?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Some of you guy with guns are dangerous, and kill people. Need a link to Kaufman Co., TX?

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Just what do I have to do with what happened in Kaufman? You trying to link me with extremists like our own government keeps trying to do?

Stop being sensitive and defensive. Stop taking it personal and about YOU. I personally don't associate YOU with a right wing extremist group.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Stop being sensitive and defensive. Stop taking it personal and about YOU. I personally don't associate YOU with a right wing extremist group.

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"You guys" is personal my friend.

Since you libs don't seem concerned about the media blackout of the year, how about some relevant news in the “war on wimmen” mentioned in this thread? VA's Republican governor signed legislation with bipartisan support requiring abortion clinics be regulated more like hospitals and surgery centers.

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Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) has approved health regulations that impose strict, hospital-style building codes on Virginia abortion clinics

McDonnell's decision to certify the regulations, made without public announcement Friday, was publicized by an abortion-rights group Monday. His approval was expected and is not the final word on the matter, but it triggers the next step in a review process expected to conclude in March with a final vote by the Virginia Board of Health.

After one the most contentious debates of the 2011 General Assembly session, legislators voted to regulate abortion clinics like outpatient surgical centers. It fell to the health board to implement the new rules, which call for costly physical renovations, such as widening hallways and doorways, that some clinic officials say could put them out of business.

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Predictably NARAL is outraged.

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“After two years of shocking backroom deals and bullying public health servants, Governor Bob McDonnell is clearly proving his disregard of Virginians' opinions about women's health care,” Tarina Keene, executive director of the group, said in the e-mail.

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I'm just guessing here, but ensuring women don't become victims as in Delaware and PA, where the turning a blind eye to the neglect of women's health and safety was “by design”, by requiring clean, safe facilities is a war on women. Am I right?

Hello again, Steve:

Never heard of TRAP laws?? It's targeted regulation of abortion providers. Read about it here. It's NOT about health and safety.. It's about ending abortion..

excon

Interesting twist . A liberal that doesn't want regulation.

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interesting twist . a liberal that doesn't want regulation.

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Mixed messages.

Ex, ever heard of MURDER and abuse of women and children? Talk about a trap, a death trap. Read about it here

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"You guys" is personal my friend.

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No you, or you guy, is personal, the "s" makes guys collective, as in more that just YOU. OOOPs, typo, my bad.

I know you will be shocked but I think standards should be high for any clinic, but a reasonable time to get them up to standards is also expected as well as in the case of doctors having admitting privilege in case of emergencies which is crap by the way since its an emergency. Non resident doctors seldom get admitting privileges, though their patients are seldom turned away.

Its like the voter ID thing I agree with and you GUYS have confirmed yet again your implementation SUCKS, so I can only conclude the real goal is furthering an agenda that victimizes, destroys rights, and isn't purely on health, and safety.

Strange for guys who don't want change but rather change back instead. Just be honest. HMMM, maybe its not so strange for you guyS.

In VIrginia they have been talking about raising the standards for several years now... it wasn't something they came out with last week.

And besides.. the state has a right and a vested interest in controlling such thiings... as they do for restaurants... and hospitals.

See... I live in Virginia... I know for a fact its been discussed and fought for the last several years... because its been on the local news and papers for that long. They ALL knew it was coming and had years to prepare for it.

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No you, or you guy, is personal, the "s" makes guys collective, as in more that just YOU. OOOPs, typo, my bad.

I know you will be shocked but I think standards should be high for any clinic, but a reasonable time to get them up to standards is also expected as well as in the case of doctors having admitting privilege in case of emergencies which is crap by the way since its an emergency. Non resident doctors seldom get admitting privileges, though their patients are seldom turned away.

Its like the voter ID thing I agree with and you GUYS have confirmed yet again your implementation SUCKS, so I can only conclude the real goal is furthering an agenda that victimizes, destroys rights, and isn't purely on health, and safety.

Strange for guys who don't want change but rather change back instead. Just be honest. HMMM, maybe its not so strange for you guyS.

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Ah, so what exactly is an acceptable timetable to ensure women's health is protected in an abortion clinic?

I don't know as that's a local thing but a month or too to change a whole structure is unreasonable and impossible don't you think? I mean it may take 30 days to even take bids or get estimates to widen more than one door way. What if there are 6? MORE?

I think you are trying to justify catching people up in a new rule you just made up. Funny coming from someone that can do nothing about murdered kids at schools and neighborhoods except holler about YOUR rights. You defend some babies but not others.

Your moral outrage seems to be limited to the scope of your prejudice.

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I don't know as that's a local thing but a month or too to change a whole structure is unreasonable and impossible don't you think? I mean it may take 30 days to even take bids or get estimates to widen more than one door way. What if there are 6? MORE?

I think you are trying to justify catching people up in a new rule you just made up. Funny coming from someone that can do nothing about murdered kids at schools and neighborhoods except holler about YOUR rights. You defend some babies but not others.

Your moral outrage seems to be limited to the scope of your prejudice.

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THe fact is it wasn't a month or two (which is nothing but propaganda)... its been several YEARS they knew it was coming.

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I don't know as that's a local thing but a month or too to change a whole structure is unreasonable and impossible don't you think? I mean it may take 30 days to even take bids or get estimates to widen more than one door way. What if there are 6? MORE?

I think you are trying to justify catching people up in a new rule you just made up. Funny coming from someone that can do nothing about murdered kids at schools and neighborhoods except holler about YOUR rights. You defend some babies but not others.

Your moral outrage seems to be limited to the scope of your prejudice.

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You're projecting, tal. It isn't pretty.

Just calling it like I see it.

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You're projecting, tal. It isn't pretty.

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Not to mention how HIS side is trying to force the rest of us to pay for 14 year old ho's to get free abortion on denand every few months because condoms and birth control are too much of an effort... and anything else.. WITHOUT the parents right to know or decide.

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Funny coming from someone that can do nothing about murdered kids at schools and neighborhoods except holler about YOUR rights.

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As I recall we offered some 'common sense ' solutions to kids getting killed at school.

I haven't see any consistancy from the left calling for knife registration and liscensing... and mandatory background checks before someone is allowed to have a sharp object... since the stabbing spree by yet another mentally unballanced lefty.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Just calling it like I see it.

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Need some new glasses?