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The year in hate?

The Southern Poverty Law Center has released it's "year in hate" review of alleged dangerous right-wing extremists again. Among their list of terrorists, the "Granny Warriors."

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For example a North Carolina-based group calling itself "Granny Warriors" appears on the SPLC list of active "patriots."

But founder Linda Hunnicutt says her organization is harmless.

"I am deadly!" she joked. "I'm 74 years old. I have COPD. I have congestive heart failure. I'm sewing a quilt."

Hunnicutt acknowledges she's no friend of the federal government, but, she wishes no harm on anyone.

"All these people that want to bomb places and kill children, come on," she said. "Who would be in sympathy with them?"

Hunnicutt said she and her group just want Uncle Sam to leave them alone. When Granny Warriors showed up on the SPLC list, Hunnicutt said she wasn't surprised. But it made her wonder, "Is this all they have to do?"

Nonetheless, Hunnicutt's thankful to be on the list because she said it increases her group's notoriety.

Yeah, we better look out for those 74-year-old's with COPD sewing quilts.

After feverishly and erroneously linking Sarah Palin's "crosshairs" map and (virtually anything else a conservative has done or said) to the Giffords shooting, the left and their media somehow are awfully disinterested in the Family Research Council shooter picking his target from the SPLC list.

Oddly enough, the SPLC failed to list the hate crime of shooting up the FRC office, wounding a guard that likely prevented a much worse tragedy, in their list of hate crimes.

The SPLC: "Fighting Hate • Teaching Tolerance • Seeking Justice"

Really? By listing the targets of your own hatred?

They do this garbage every time they are having a fund raiser.

Hello:

I don't know. From coast to coast, the gun stores are empty, but don't look at that.. There's nothing to see. Move along.

excon

Well duh, is there still something you don't get about Americans - not just those on the SPLC's pathetic hate list - disliking the idea of their rights being threatened?

There actually was a point to this thread by the way, if you can discern it.

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After feverishly and erroneously linking Sarah Palin's "crosshairs" map and (virtually anything else a conservative has done or said) to the Giffords shooting, the left and their media somehow are awfully disinterested in the Family Research Council shooter picking his target from the SPLC list.

Oddly enough, the SPLC failed to list the hate crime of shooting up the FRC office, wounding a guard that likely prevented a much worse tragedy, in their list of hate crimes.

The SPLC: "Fighting Hate • Teaching Tolerance • Seeking Justice"

Really? By listing the targets of your own hatred?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

I dunno. From coast to coast, the gun stores are empty, but don't look at that.. There's nothing to see. Move along.

excon

That is only because of speculation. There is a huge greed running rampant in the gun/ammo industry right now.

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Originally Posted by cdad

That is only because of speculation. There is a huge greed running rampant in the gun/ammo industry right now.

Bad enough they cannot be sued, but can hide behind he NRA as it enriches itself on the fears of the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Bad enough they cannot be sued, but can hide behind he NRA as it enriches itself on the fears of the rest of us.

Sued for what? There are people buying on the thought that it is going to be of greater value then what they paid for it. The rise in ammo alone has more then doubled making it harder for those that shoot to maintain the best possible shot if the situation should arise.

Hello dad:

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Sued for what?

A BB gun manufacturer can be held liable for his product. A REAL gun manufacturer can't. Don't make sense to me... But, of course, I'm a liberal.

Excon

And naturally as a liberal you think someone else should be sued for others misuse of a product that worked as intended. What is it about personal responsibility you libs don't get?

They could make a product that a talented kid could not modify.

Hello again, Steve:

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What is it about personal responsibility you libs don't get?

The cigarette manufactures argued the same thing. But, as a nation, we found out their "freedom" to sell POISON bumped up against our right NOT to be poisoned.

BECAUSE we, as a nation, took ACTION, 100 MILLION people don't smoke today, and might be DEAD if we didn't... Now, you can argue about personal responsibility, but in the face of reality, it falls flat.

I don't know how you stand on OUR war against tobacco, but from your arguments here, I'll bet you think lots more of us should be smoking.. Don't make sense to me... But, of course, I'm a liberal.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

The cigarette manufactures argued the same thing. But, as a nation, we found out their "freedom" to sell POISON bumped up against our right NOT to be poisoned.

BECAUSE we, as a nation, took ACTION, 100 MILLION people don't smoke today, and might be DEAD if we didn't... Now, you can argue about personal responsibility, but in the face of reality, it falls flat.

I dunno how you stand on OUR war against tobacco, but from your arguments here, I'll bet you think lots more of us should be smoking.. Don't make sense to me... But, of course, I'm a liberal.

excon

I don't know of any instances of a gun or a cigarette spontaneously harming anyone, do you?

Back to the point, why shouldn't the SPLC be held liable for their irresponsibility? Was the FRC shooting, target picked from their list of "hate" groups, somehow not a hate crime? Those haters at FRC had it coming, huh?

Hello again, Steve:

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I don't know of any instances of a gun or a cigarette spontaneously harming anyone, do you?

Back to the point

So, you DO think millions more of us should be smoking!! That IS the point... You simply don't believe the federal government has a role in protecting us from whatever the free market decides to bestow upon us.

I fundamentally disagree with that position.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, you DO think millions more of us should be smoking!!! That IS the point... You simply don't believe the federal government has a role in protecting us from whatever the free market decides to bestow upon us.

I fundamentally disagree with that position.

excon

In other words you refuse to answer my questions in favor of assigning positions to me I haven't taken. I understand, either you have no answer or you really think the SPLC should not be held accountable and those haters at FRC deserved it.

The FRC shooter admitted on video that he targeted them because the Southern Poverty Law Center listed them as a hate group.

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Family Research Council (FRC) officials released video of federal investigators questioning convicted domestic terrorist Floyd Lee Corkins II, who explained that he attacked the group’s headquarters because the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified them as a “hate group” due to their traditional marriage views.

“Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups,” Corkins tells interrogators in the video, which FRC obtained from the FBI. “I found them online, did a little research, went to the website, stuff like that.”

The Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard reported that Corkins, who pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, said in court that he hoped to “kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-Fil-A sandwiches in victims’ faces, and kill the guard.” As Bedard explained, “the shooting occurred after an executive with Chick-Fil-A announced his support for traditional marriage, angering same-sex marriage proponents.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center still lists FRC as an “anti-gay” hate group on the “hate map” Corkins used. “The SPLC’s reckless labeling has led to devastating consequences,” said FRC President Tony Perkins. “Because of its ‘hate group’ lists, a deadly terrorist had a guidemap to FRC and other organizations. Our staff is still reeling from the attack, and the chilling effect this could have on organizations that are simply fighting for their values is outrageous.”

Waiting for the left to connect the dots...

There are no dots to connect in a reasonable way for the actions or motives of a LOON! You believe him if you want, I chose not to.

LOL, talk about denial.

Hello again,

Was listing them as a hate group the same thing as Sarah Palin putting targets on a map? Six of one, half dozen of another...

You guys have problems with the MESSENGER, but none with the MESSAGE... Pssst.. You're concentrating on the WRONG thing.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Was listing them as a hate group the same thing as Sarah Palin putting targets on a map?? Six of one, half dozen of another...

You guys have problems with the MESSENGER, but none with the MESSAGE... Pssst.. You're concentrating on the WRONG thing.

excon

Except for one thing, there is no connection to that silly, harmless crosshairs map to anyone getting shot. You guys are really great at connecting dots that aren't there to right-wingers but can't connect the obvious dots connected to violent left-wingers. Actually you do see them, you just won't admit it.

Hello again, Steve:

No connection, huh? I don't know.. One of Palins targets was Tuscon, and Gabby Gifford got shot.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

No connection, huh? I dunno.. One of Palins targets was Tuscon, and Gabby Gifford got shot.

excon

Coincidence. Would you mind showing us where that wacko was inspired by the map? You know, actually connect some dots.

Hello again, Steve:

So, a wacko has to SAY what inspired him, huh?? Nahhhh...

excon

You of all people know what motive is. The FRC shooter's motive is clear, dots connected. What was Loughner's motive? Come on, connect the dots if you can.

Don't wackos get their motives from all kinds of sources, real or imagined?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Don't wackos get their motives from all kinds of sources, real or imagined?

Yes, so?

Hello again, Steve:

Some people don't need to be hit over the head with dots in order to connect them..

In any case, the purpose of this thread is to show how BAD the left is for instigating wackos... I COULD agree with you, but not when you DENY that Sarah Palin did the same thing - EVEN if the outcome may have been different...

So, I'm NOT going to agree. Why would I? It's ONE way and it's BONKERS.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Some people don't need to be hit over the head with dots in order to connect them..

In any case, the purpose of this thread is to show how BAD the left is for instigating wackos... I COULD agree with you, but not when you DENY that Sarah Palin did the same thing - EVEN if the outcome may have been different...

I've never denied she had a map that you guys call "crosshairs", but what exactly did it instigate besides left-wing knees jerking all over the place to connect dots to the Tucson shooting that aren't there?

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So, I'm NOT going to agree. Why would I? It's ONE way and it's BONKERS.

I agree, it IS one way and it IS bonkers. In your view everything is the right-wing's fault even when it isn't, and nothing is the left's fault even when it is. That's as bonkers as it gets.

Hello again, Steve:

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but what exactly did it instigate

You missed it again.. The OFFENSE, if there was one, is publishing the targets/year in hate - NOT the outcomes or lack thereof..

You think one was wonderful and the other not so wonderful. I don't make those distinctions.

Excon

Laughner counts the "Communist Manifesto" among his favorite reads and a video of the American flag burning as his favorite YouTube post.
Yeah clearly he's a right wing nut .

Hello again, tom:

Whatever he believed is NOT the issue. The ISSUE is whether Sarah Palins TARGETS guided him.

Or more specifically, why is the SPLC so bad and Sarah Palin so good?? They BOTH published incendiary stuff.

excon

And you've been offered quite some time to show the map guided him. I've done my. Part, time for you to stop bloviating and prove the link to the map. Otherwise you got nuthin' no matter how try to spin it.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Whatever he believed is NOT the issue. The ISSUE is whether Sarah Palins TARGETS guided him.

Or more specifically, why is the SPLC so bad and Sarah Palin so good??? They BOTH published incendiary stuff.

excon

The problem with your narrative is Floyd Lee Corkins specifically stated he drew inspiration from the SPLC list . Laughtner has never mentioned Palin's campaign map. It is all a fabrication in the left wing mind to try to make the connection.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Or in other words reality doesn't matter.

Whose reality are we speaking about? I have no clue of what yours is that blames others for the acts of the criminally insane.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the problem with your narrative is Floyd Lee Corkins specifically stated he drew inspiration from the SPLC list . Laughtner has never mentioned Palin's campaign map. It is all a fabrication in the left wing mind to try to make the connection.

Your statement is not accurate. Nowhere does the individual talks about, "inspiration". Instead the limited interview talks about a means to an end. Any line of reasoning that pursues "inspiration" can not be substantiated from the information available.

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Your statement is not accurate. Nowhere does the individual talks about, "inspiration". Instead the limited interview talks about a means to an end. Any line of reasoning that pursues "inspiration" can not be substantiated from the information available.

His inspiration was Chik-Fil-A standing for traditional marriage, taking revenge on "anti-gay" groups. He admittedly picked his target from SPLC's irresponsible list of alleged hate groups.

Excon contends the Tucson shooter did the same from Palin's "crosshairs map" even though there is no evidence to support that, it was manufactured outrage trying to paint the guy as a right-wing wacko inspired by Palin's "hate."

Only the first scenario is true.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

His inspiration was Chik-Fil-A standing for traditional marriage, taking revenge on "anti-gay" groups. He admittedly picked his target from SPLC's irresponsible list of alleged hate groups.

Excon contends the Tuscon shooter did the same from Palin's "crosshairs map" even though there is no evidence to support that, it was manufactured outrage trying to paint the guy as a right-wing wacko inspired by Palin's "hate."

Only the first scenario is true.

Of course it is irresponsible. But one groups irresponsibility does not necessarily translate into "motivation" for another person or groups of people.. It can, but there is no evidence from what has been made available that this is the case.

Inspiration and motivation aren't exactly the same things, Tut. But your colors are showing again. Instead of taking issue with those making a connection that doesn't exist and downplaying one that does, you're nitpicking on word selection.

You seem to be nit picking your own narrative and dismissing those that don't fit your narrative. Hard to be objective in evaluating facts that way.