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Hello:
I've wondered WHY Democrats and Republicans can't come together. Then I remember how it was with my ex-wife.
Will cutting 3% of the budget cripple us as Obama says, or are we going to cruise? Before you say cruise, let me ask you this: If YOUR grocery store starts selling meat that ISN'T inspected, are you going to buy it??
excon
Rand Paul for 2 years in a row returned 20% of his operating budget back to the Treasury .
Like the President ;you cite extreme examples to demagogue the issue. The world will not end with a 2% cut in the expected growth in spending . Let the President do his job and direct his staffers in the bureaucracy to trim 3% of the fat out of their budgets . But he won't do that because he thinks ,with the trillions in red ink... that we don't spend enough .
Hello again, tom:
Rand Paul is running for president.Quote:
Rand Paul for 2 years in a row returned 20% of his operating budget back to the Treasury .
Excon
Don't they inspect their meat in the UK?
Maybe if you gave it a better name it would be understood, like cutting the budget that doesn't exist doesn't sound logical, how about the close shave, or towards smaller government, everyone can embrace that
I think "The Big Lie" sounds appropriate.
Hello again,
The right wing FORGETS why they voted for Sequestration in the first place... It was DESIGNED to be SOOOO onerous, SOOOO bad, and SOOOO painful, that nobody in their right mind would LET it happen... It's a poison pill law. NOBODY wanted it to go into effect. That's why they wrote it in the first place.
And THAT'S what the right wing forgets, because NOW they're saying the cuts are cool.. Liberals aren't saying that... They saying it'll be a DISASTER, which is what it's designed to BE, after all.
What I DON'T understand, is how you could think they're cool, when there are NO cuts to entitlements, and PLENTY of cuts to defense?? ALL the other cuts will be in discretionary spending, like the TSA and the FDA. That'll mean longer lines at airports and UNINSPECTED meat in your local store...
Me? I ain't going anywhere and I'll eat tofu till we regain our senses.
excon
More scare tactics. As much as I don't like the defense cuts, (defense has already been slashed by this administration that ONLY thinks defense cuts are cool) , the reality is that the defense dept could easily absorb the cuts with some management ;just like the rest of the government could survive a 2% cut in the rate of increase in spending with some basic management discipline. What is so scary is that even with these cuts ;the government will still be spending more than they did when it was proposed in 2011;and yet the left fear mongers them.
Yes the food will still get inspected ;and yes the TSA will still grope at airports. These are all lies . Even the President is backing down from his "Howard Beale", "chicken little" act . He now admits that there will be very little immediate impact of the cuts.
This is typical "Washington Monument ploy " .
Washington Monument Ploy
Hello again, tom:
Yeah?? You talk a good story, but you ain't going to be buying any meat either.
excon
Currently,while the government is fully funded ,we still had spinach contaminated ;peanut butter contaminated and many other incidents of similar contaminations .Every day in the US about 200,000 people become sick, 900 are hospitalized due to symptoms related to food poisoning . Annually ,food poisoning kills 5,000 people, and sends 325,000 to the hospital each year.
So I should be worried now that the inspection process can be any worse ?
You may have a point ex if Obama wasn't fear mongering about his own plan. Or are you saying he's too dumb to understand the consequences of his own policies?
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course. Obviously the ag industry has a huge stake in injuring or killing off their customers. Isn't it the FDA that says nothing wrong with the pink slime everyone freaked out over?
Hello again, Steve:
I'm not sure you quite understand the Sequester.. It is NOT a policy.. It's a poison pill that they SAID nobody in their right mind would LET happen. When I say they, I mean EVERYBODY!! It was MEANT to FORCE them to come to an agreement. It didn't.Quote:
Or are you saying he's too dumb to understand the consequences of his own policies?
And, NOW it's going to happen.. Because the Republicans are happy with the cuts... I don't know WHY... It doesn't cut entitlements, and makes deep cuts in defense.. I don't why any respectable right wing would like that.
Excon
Except that the Repubics already ponied up with the tax increases the President wanted. He's reneging on his end of the deal.
The Dems are using the wrong deal to bargain on loop holes . If they want that ,then it should be in connection with an overhaul of the whole income tax system... a trade for simplification ,flattening ,and rate reduction.
As for entitlements... tell me when the Dems were ever in favor of entitlement cuts .
Ah, so Obama was just bluffing. Well that's a pretty stupid way to run a country. I didn't drink the Koolaid like you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Besides what tom said, it doesn't CUT spending at all. And funny how Pew/WaPo missed offering the real culprit as a choice in a recent survey...
http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-conten...w-question.jpg
Senate Dems haven't passed a budget in nearly 4 years and have no plan to avoid sequestration. Had they passed a budget like the House it would have gone to committee and been worked out and the sequester would not be an issue. That's a fact, Jack.
Here is the Federal regulations of the ag industry in a nut shell :Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Manure Management Planner (MMP) of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA is part of the Comprehensive Nutrient Management Plan (CNMP) which is required of farmers with Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs.)
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CNMP planners are strongly encouraged to use Manure Management Planner(MMP) because it was designed to simplify and hasten the CNMP development process. MMP was developed on a state-by-state basis to include each state’s unique data and circumstances important to CNMP development and acceptance by state authorities. MMP automates the generation of high quality CNMP reports
USDA NRCS - Natural Resources Conservation Service
Imagine the savings getting rid of cr@P like that !
In Oklahoma, tiny airport attracts federal money, but few planes - The Washington PostQuote:
Along a country road in southern Oklahoma, there is a place that doesn't make sense. It is an airport without passengers.
Or, for that matter, planes.
This is Lake Murray State Park Airport, one of the least busy of the nation's 3,300-plus public airfields. In an entire week here, there might be one landing and one takeoff — often so pilots can use the bathroom. Or none at all. Visiting pilots are warned to watch out for deer on the runway.
So why is it still open? Mostly, because the U.S. government insists on sending it money
Bet you would have no wait at this airport's TSA line. Maybe this is one of the Air Traffic controller towers the President is threatening to shut down.
Nah, he'll make sure the cuts are as painful as possible so he can blame Republicans for hating kids and poisoning you with tainted meat.
P.S. White House Report Claims Sequestration Will Affect Federal Department That No Longer Exists
I left out Obama unleashing illegals on our streets because we can't afford to enforce immigration laws and how Republicans refuse to protect us from terrorists.
Can this administration possibly be any more shameless and derelict? I don't want to know the answer to that...
Hello again, Steve:
What part of EVERYBODY passed the bill don't you understand??Quote:
Ah, so Obama was just bluffing.
Excon
His strategery is fundamentally flawed.
If he wants a 2nd term and a legacy he better start learning to like dealing with the Repubics. That or he'll be remembered as the president who presided over an 8 year recession.
Hello again, Steve:
You guys DO have a problem with math, don't you?? Suffice to say, you believe that even though we're going to spend LESS on stuff, you expect the SAME level of service... And, when you don't get it, it's Obama's fault..Quote:
Can this administration possibly be any more shameless and derelict?
Only in right wing world is this true..
Excon
As long as you remember who started the recession/depression, thing is, Tom, despite the pretensions the president isn't God, he can't wave his hand and it all goes away, but it is good you have someone with a heart during such a period. Just remember your job creators have done nothing to lift you out of recession/depressionQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Now what I have seen so far is you have blamed him for the mortgage crisis, you have blamed him for the bailout, you have blamed him for giving more americans health insurance and you want to blame him because the republican captains of industry won't get off their buts. Be thankful it is not a totalatarian state or they would all have been shot
lol ,Amazing how New York and the major industrial centers vote consistently Democrat. Amazing how Obama got the majority of corporate contributions in the last 2 Presidential cycle.Quote:
republican captains of industry
Regardless of when the recession started ;the truth is that his policies have sucked ,and do suck . If he continues down this path we are destined for a decade long recession with brief periods of sluggish recovery.
You talk about national socialist health care as if it's a good thing. I remind you that Italy went from a prosperous nation to a basket case that has a GDP/debt ratio over 100% after they instituted their national health care system in 1978 . Now they have a cast of clowns competing for the right to run their country completely into collapse. The United States should look at them as the canary in the coal mine.
Republicans aren't releasing illegals for political theatre. And I repeat, if Dingy Harry had done his job and passed a budget there would be no sequester, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
My math, my history and grasp of reality are fine.
Your grasp of reality is skewed to far right literally and precludes alternatives and other options you just don't understand.
Case in point, the concept of continuing resolution, that is a budgetary agreement, and sequester, that requires action by the new congress first with the house and senate. By law anything passed by these bodies previously is null and void, and has to be reintroduced to be valid.
Your grasp of reality is skewed too . The House passed 2 sequester motions that the Senate did not act on . If you want to blame anyone ,blame the do nothing Reid led Senate.
Now in an act of posturing... the President has set up a meeting to take place Friday... the day AFTER the sequester goes into effect. Now that's leadership!!
Back to condescension I see. I just don't understand, blah, blah blah. Grow up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh get over yourselves with the gloom, doom, blame game that failed to make Obama a one term president, and do YOUR job, and not tell someone else what to do. Truth is the new congress has done nothing since being sworn in and the far right won't let it.
Bonehead is already in hot water on his right flank and has to get permission to wipe his own arse after bringing and passing bills with democratic support, and if he did it again with the sequester, the far right would be up in arms and looking for his blood.
Nothing works without the permission of the far right? That's cool, just stop lying about it and blaming the president because he ain't kissing your raw right butts. I mean how many times are you going to use this fiscal crisis stuff as an excuse NOT to do your job?
Right back at you . How many times will the President blame the Repubics for not bowing to his every command ? He got his tax hike on the rich . The only reason he is afraid of the cuts is because he knows how insignificant they are ;and how little impact they will have on most..
What part of the Republican-led House has done their job don't you get? The only ones refusing to do their job are the other two Democrat-controlled segments. Geez, Tal, you're the one excusing inaction and tossing blame while Obama is not only spreading doom and gloom, he's unleashing it on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again,
It's time for stimulus anyway.. NOT austerity.. Austerity will turn us into Europe. I thought you guy's HATED Europe.
excon
I thought you were Europe, you have a Europe credit rating, a Europe style QE plan, You have Europe style ineffective government, Oh Wait, you are on the left hand side of the AtlanticQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'm beginning to appreciate a few principled liberal journalists, Bob Woodward has been acting like a journalist and it seems to have pi$$ed off someone at the WH. Damn him for exposing his lies and hypocrisy.
Well what do they do to him? Revoke his White House Press Pass? If it was good enough for him to get Nixon, it might be good enough for him to get Obama
The sequester was OBAMAS idea. Now his chickens are coming home to roost and he is trying to blame the repubs.
This country NEEDS to cut spending and will NOT do so.
If this is what it takes... I am all for it.
Obamas acting EXACTLY like a petulant kids throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get his way... there are lots of worthless research programs nobody would miss if they never happened. But no.. Obamas going to smash all his toys and tear up the house throwing a fit.
Instead of just taking out the trash... like he was asked.
Anyone willing to guess the total amount of money cut from the welfare program? Which does nothing but pay lazy people to get fat and have babies...
My guess is a big fat ZERO.
No what is being cut is the military welfare program, might get a few contractors off the teat and just maybe they will get real about the F35 and enforce quality instead of cost. I think this is a great ploy by Obama, get the republicans to agree to cut the military and then sit back and watch it happen
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