Moveon runs an ad threatening violence if Romney wins...
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Moveon runs an ad threatening violence if Romney wins...
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Really?
Well what you need over there is another revolution
Ignore the extremists - on both sides. This is a very vitriolic election. We all stir the pot when we repost and engage in discussion about the extremists but amplifying their voices.
What is the opposite of an extremist, a conservative, no I will ignore the conservatives
I'd say this is a typical US election . This is neither more vitriolic than in the past ,or more divisive. The US is like that . What we consider a landslide is plus or minus 55% of the electorate voting for one ,and 45% voting for the other candidate.
Lyndon Johnson received the largest percentage of votes any president has ever had in 1964, taking 61.5 percent of the vote. Three other presidents broke the 60 percent mark: Warren G. Harding in 1920, Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1936 and Richard Nixon in 1972. Except Roosevelt ,none of them are considered exceptional Presidents.
By contrast ; Lincoln ,Kennedy , Woodrow Wilson (twice ),Clintoon (twice ) ;a total of 18 Presidential elections were decided by the winner receiving LESS than 50% of the vote...
Five times with 45 percent of the vote or less.
26 U.S. presidential elections, the winner received less than 52 percent of the vote. Add to that , a significant segment of our population registers their preference by not voting at all.
We are a divided nation by nature;political parties having been formed by Washington's 2nd term.Only once did the issues fracture the nation.(not surprising... the 1860 election had one of the highest voter turnouts) .
Ideologues have always played a role in our politics;but the vast majority of both political parties are moderates and vote that way. Elections are decided by Reagan Democrats ,and Clintoon Repubics.
This election there is a centrist who had to schmooze the right before swinging back to the center against an ideologue lefty who pretends to be centrist.
Many times I've documented the rhetoric used in campaigns in our history to show that there is nothing new in the way the game is played. Again I'll refer to the 1800 Jefferson v Adams election between 2 of our most famous founders. Their contest best illustrated the philosophical divide that is still present today. They were bitter rivals but remained best of friends until they both passed away on July 4,1826 ,the 50th Anniversary of the day they both signed the Declaration of Independence.
But when they campaigned ,they or their surrogates rhetoric was much nastier than anything we see today.
Jefferson's campaign said that John Adams was a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." Adams' campaign said that Jefferson was "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw sired by a Virginia mulatto father."
That Michael Moore video production is comically infantile .I would expect nothing less from the Moore-on. It just shows the desperation of the left.
Desperation of the left? Gee, I thought it was Tea Party desperation (and desperate people are never witty) that's been hyping the few random threats any campaign elicits, and this little satire is a funny response.
PS: thanks for those interesting tidbits of American history.
If it was satire it is doubly strange in that it is mocking left wing scares about Republican voter suppression etc. It also threatens violence ,something you are not hearing from Tea Party factions. When taken together with the Obama favoring ads that included a young women equating voting for Obama with losing virginity ;Samuel Jackson telling us to "Wake the F up " ;it shows a big contrast to the soaring rhetoric of the 2008 campaign. Vulgarity is a sign of desperation .
What tom just said. Contrast the left's filth (or most any Obama ad to Romney's) to this ad by an openly gay Republican in Massachusetts. Yeah, that's what I said...
Been to the Gloucester , Rockport ,and the Cape Ann area. I highly recommend it as a place to take a restful retreat or vacation. Gloucester is also famous as the home port of the Andrea Gail ;the boat depicted in the movie 'The Perfect Storm'.
http://www.barenakedfamily.com/Visua...h_memorial.jpg
Hello:
Filth?? FILTH?? This morning I woke up to to adds telling me that my president ARMED Al Quaida, the people who killed 3,000 of us, by GIVING them weapons... The implication, of course, is that our president is a Muslim, terrorist, traitor.Quote:
Contrast the left's filth
And, I found out that because we're about to make gay marriage legal in Washington, that homosexuality WILL absolutely be TAUGHT in Washington schools...
The fact that you will most likely AGREE with these two outrageous propositions, removes ANY credibility YOU have to DISS the other side...
Excon
I know nothing about any such ad, you'd have to post it.
P.S. Again putting words in my mouth, I've never implied Obama is a Muslim though I have defended him against such nonsense (here, here and here for instance) and I would never make such a dumb connection to teaching homosexuality in your schools... although PP would teach damn near anything if given the chance.
Hello again, Steve:
Anti prop 47 add.
I haven't heard you SAY Obama is a Muslim, but you're all over the "coverup" at Benghazi.. Now, I know what you THINK he covered up..
excon
Hello again, Steve:
And, I would NEVER foment VIOLENCE if Romney is elected...Quote:
I would never make such a dumb connection to teaching homosexuality in your schools.
But, you IMPLY that I would.. If you're NOT making that implication, WHY make THIS post? Therefore, I have NO problem IMPLYING that you wear your tin foil hat all day.
Excon
Good grief ex, I just gave you 3 links where I've rejected the Obama/Muslim connection, what do I have to do, beat you over the head with it?Quote:
I haven't heard you SAY Obama is a Muslim, but you're all over the "coverup" at Benghazi.. Now, I know what you THINK he covered up..
Is it really that impossible for a liberal to believe we don't like Obama for his policies and behavior, like failing to protect his own guys then lying out his a$$ about it?
P.S. the thread is about "Moveon runs an ad threatening violence if Romney wins...", not ex threatens violence. Geez dude, stick to the facts.
Do you understand the difference between "could be taught" and "WILL absolutely be TAUGHT?" You're so overly dramatic these days, are you in a panic like those pitiful rich white libs in San Fran?Quote:
And, I found out that because we're about to make gay marriage legal in Washington, that homosexuality WILL absolutely be TAUGHT in Washington schools...
And where's the ad about Obama arming al Qaeda?
Hello again, Steve
I agree with the old farts. If the Republicans STEAL this election, I'm going to burn this MF'er down.Quote:
It's come to this
Excon
You're all talk, you're just a big ol' teddy bear deep down.
I don't believe you guys are scared of some seniors in a nursing home! Them righty lunatics with the guns are the ones we better pay attention to.
Or maybe all the tweets calling for riots if the President loses.
Extremists are on both sides. I'd ignore all of them and look to the middle, which is where cooler and more rational heads normally prevail. Some good ideas on both sides, some bad ideas on both sides. Some goodness and some corruption on both sides. I do think this is the ugliest election I have ever seen in my lifetime, and I'm past middle aged.
Personally I think the middle is wishy-washy. Stand for something people.
If I say I'm a conservative then you have at least a general idea of my beliefs . What do I know about a moderate's beliefs ?
Get aalong?
In another "it's come to this" development, non-union crews from Alabama were turned away from assisting in the recovery.
Nonunion Ala. crews turned away from Sandy recovery
Really?
Alabama is full of stupid people?
Really?Quote:
Alabama is full of stupid people?
I guess so. Unions exists all over the place in different forms and in different countries and no one would refuse help after a natural disaster - the only variable here is the location, ergo Alabamians (or whatever) ain't the brightest in the bunch.
I'm quite sure utility workers in Alabama are just as capable as any other. The only variable is the union, and if I needed power and the union turned away help I'd be pi$$ed. But that's the union for you, arrogant a$$es that put themselves above people in need.
Time for Christie to show some REAL leadership ,and bring them into the state and provide the safety and appreciation they deserve .
Drove through Passaic County yesterday (not on the coast) ;and large swaths of the county are in the dark ;and residents are telling me that they are being told that they are 10-14 days away from getting power back.
Well ,this week we will get our first winter like event . The people on the 2 mile long lines for gas are not only filling their cars to go to work . Many are trying to fill gas cans to keep their generators operating . They are the lucky ones. The rest will be wrapping themselves in blankets in days.
To turn away people who drove 500 miles to assist is criminal .
dontknownuthin,
This election there is a record to examine. I'd argue that for a middle of the road ,no labels type of person there is no choice here but to vote for Romney based on performance and not ideology.
He was a Republican Governor of a very liberal Democrat State .He worked with an overwhelmingly Democrat state legislature and still achieved .
Contrast that with the current President ,the Great Divider .
His signature legislations stimulus ,Obamacare and Dodd-Frank will weigh on our economy for as long as they remain the law of the land. But more important ,they were rammed through without any reaching across the aisle and they destroyed any thought of bipartisanship from the guy who campaigned on the slogan that "there are no red states or blue states, only the United States of America." Even after the 2010 landslide election in Congress ,the President couldn't manage to pivot to lead the country.If anything ,his actions became even more partisan ,divisive ,and extremist.
He opposed Arizona's attempts to enforce Federal law on immigration to appease one constituency . He opposed Boeing's new factory in South Carolina to appease another . To get a czar of the new National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau installed he bypassed the Constitutional Senate authority for advise and consent. He killed 25,000 jobs to appease the environmental constitutency when he blocked the Keystone XL pipeline . I could go on ,but you get the idea.
If you are looking for a President that has demonstrated he can reach a consensus then Romney's you candidate.
No one was turned away according to the video by the General Manager of Decatur Utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
"Looking at some documentation or some requirements that were placed on our employees by the local union that work in those areas. So once we were able to try and obtain copies of that information. It was a quick decision. But those things that concerned us;placed requirements on our employees. Again, this was at the end of the day so our folks had been stalled and not been able to proceed that day. We had concerns it was going to take some time before we could resolve the questions about the requirements the union might place on us. And WE made the decision late last night to go ahead and bring our guys home. It was something WE felt like we needed to do because of the time our guys had been stalled"
The General Manager goes on to say that (in his opinion) it is not a union versus non-union issue.
My emphasis in the quote on the WE tells us that the union did not turn away the help.
Tut
Back to topic
Here is the latest :
Obama aide Kareem Dale, a partially disabled man who is Special Assistant to the President for disability policy, told a group of volunteers at DNC headquarters Thursday they should "win this motherf*****."
This is the overheated hyper-partisan vulgarity that dontknownutin is speaking of. Dale preceded this with a comment that suggest Romney wants to kill people with disabilities. It follows similar outrages from VP Biden and Michelle Obama suggesting that Romney wants to put blacks back on the plantation (Michelle... "back to the crop fields" and Biden... "They want y'all back in chains!").
Hey Dale ! Obamacare provides funding for 16,000 new IRS agents and not a single doctor ! Who's trying to kill you ?
There is audio somewhere (I'll find it) that shows the workers being confronted by unionized utility workers calling them scabs and to go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom, don't worry about finding it. I am not disputing what you are claiming.
I am disputing the accuracy of the claim that the workers were turned away by the union.
Tut
Well since I can't verify the veracity of the source of the audio I withdraw the comment anyway. The audio is real ;but there is nothing in the audio that clearly links it to this incident . Further ,I just listened to Goveror Christie's presser from yesterday ;and he said it was all a big misunderstanding .
There will be more on the 1800 election tomorrow evening on '60 Minutes'Quote:
Originally Posted by joypulv
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...worse-in-1800/
I noticed that part, too.Quote:
"because of the time our guys had been stalled"
Mr. Hopenchange, the guy who ushered in a new era of civility, wants Americans to get "revenge" at the polls.
Romney responded of course.
Again, one man is president and the other is presidential.Quote:
That evening, in West Chester, Romney responded, "Our big dreams will not be satisfied by his small agenda that already failed us. Today, did you see what President Obama said today? He asked his supporters to vote for revenge – for revenge. Instead I ask the American people to vote for love of country."
From Christie's presser yesterday :
"I've been on the phone with PSE&G [Public Service Electric and Gas Company], JCP&L [Jersey Central Power & Light] and the union, and they've all absolutely promised me they would never turn away a single worker whether they were union or nonunion, and I wouldn't allow it,” ......“I would invoke my powers under the Disaster Control Act to prevent that from happening, but they've assured me we don't have to.”
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