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Report: Never an Anti-American Protest in Benghazi, Only a Planned Attack

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CBS reports this morning that witnesses are saying "that there was never an anti-American protest outside of the consulate [in Benghazi, Libya]. Instead, they say, it came under planned attack. That is in direct contradiction to the administration's account of the incident."

"What's clear," the CBS reporter concludes, "is that the public won't get a detailed account of what happened until after the election."

Just another example of what we get for Obama's promise of an "unprecedented level of openness"? Could this be the beginning of the media doing their job? Naaa...

Some of us knew this the day it happened... I'm a bit surprised CBS is actually not burrying this completely like they have so many other things... maybe there is hope for them yet.

And they still lie about it in claiming that although it was a terrorist attack ,that it wasn't planned. Because if it was plannned then they'd have to admit that the Brotherhood in Cairo was complicit in the plot .And that would kind of ruin their narrative about the Brotherhood ;and this ridiculous diversion about some silly video .

The two former Navy SEAL heroes killed in the attack ,Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty, were not part of Ambassador Chris Stevens' official embassy security detail but took up arms in an effort to protect the counsellate and the Ambassadoer when they were overrun by insurgents .

. No ;in fact the Ambassador's protection was detailed to local Libyians with at best questionable loyalties (the insurgents knew of the safe house that the Ambassador attempted to escape to) ,who were hired by a British firm. Marines were not stationed at the embassy in Tripoli or the mission in Benghazi, as would typically have been the case.Why ? Because the US has tried to keep a low profile in Libya .
Daily Press Briefing - September 18, 2012

Just waiting for the rest of the media to do their job. Maybe Tapper will at least grill them on it.

NBC actually joined the fray over the now "manufactured outrage," although this line cracks me up:

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Much of the mainstream media has played it as a spontaneous reaction to a disgusting film clip which denigrated Muslims and happened to be made and promoted in the USA.

I would hope they consider themselves as part of that "much of the mainstream media."

This is only telling us what was apparent from the beginning

Then the administration has to answer for it's denials and continuing cover-up.

I've spent enough time in the State Dept and still know enough people in it to call BS the instant they started to lie on that day.

But it was patently obvious to most thinking people from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I've spent enough time in the State Dept and still know enough people in it to call BS the instant they started to lie on that day.

But it was patently obvious to most thinking people from the beginning.

Yes I don't know why they do that? Thinking that they don't want to give Al Qaeda any credit, don't want to expose their unpreparedness. The thing is the film trailer has been out there for months and yet, suddenly, it is an issue, the trailer didn't start a problem but as soon as the film became know it was used as an excuse to fermet trouble. I still ask, how come the Muslims in the US aren't protesting, aren't rioting? Are they being suppressed? Is this the result of an attempt to promote the film, if so the producer should be charged with public nuiance and promoting religious hatred

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes I don't know why they do that? thinking that they don't want to give Al Qaeda any credit, don't want to expose their unpreparedness. The thing is the film trailer has been out there for months and yet, suddenly, it is an issue, the trailer didn't start a problem but as soon as the film became know it was used as an excuse to fermet trouble. I still ask, how come the Muslims in the US arn't protesting, arn't rioting? Are they being suppressed? Is this the result of an attempt to promote the film, if so the producer should be charged with public nuiance and promoting religious hatred

I know a few Muslims well enough to consider them friends and know their personal and very private problems... they all mention their disgust with the troglodyte element over there any time they act up overseas.

That's why they left their countries to come here. Also I might add... none of the ones I call friends wear the crap the more extreme elements wear. And they have said there is no requirement in the Koran to do so.

There have been no mass protests here by the Muslims... (like the blacks are famous for, and to a lesser degree the Hispanics).

The producer of that film has every right to make it... and considering the behaviors of the mouth breathers overseas doing the protesting... its likely quite accurate.

Martin Scorsese wasn't lynched or prosecuted for "The last temptation of Christ" and this other producer shouldn't be either.

There was a time when the libs celebrated freedom of speech and supported artists . God knows they still support artistic freedom here when it's target is Christianity . But it wasn't that long ago when the world's libs stood in solidarity with Salman Rushdie ,and openly read chapters out loud , when he wrote a book that the Muslim world considered disrespectful.

Tom the Muslim world considers everything disrepectfull, any mention of Islam is disrespectfull. I have news for them; stop disrespecting my religion and I might consider not disrespecting a religion started by Mudhatmad. What do I want? I want the persecution to stop, the killings to stop. I want Muslims to allow us the same freedom they want for themselves. You know I applauded when I heard some Iranian girls had kicked the shlt out of an Iman who had a go at them about how they were dressed. The muslims are the fashion police, the thought police of this world and it needs to stop

Quick quizz.. Who is the current US National Security Advisor ? (don't look it up... if you don't know just admit it )

Not very high profile these days , O and Hill steal all the photo ops, I remember when it was Rice but isn't someone from the CIA

No ,a retread from the Clintonoon State Dept. His claim to fame before now was to help in the negotiations for the Bosnian peace agreement . Before that he like many Dems revolved between being a Fannie Mae exec padding his wallet ,and a lobbyist. . He is also formerly from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup... what Ex would call a "bankster ".

Point is , during these times he should be out front informing the public . Everyone should know his name.

Can't see he has the experience to Do That Tom does he know anything about National Security?

None that I know of except his time in the Clintoon State Dept as a negotiator . Obama's former National Security Advisor was highly critical of him for his lack of experience. Behind the scenes ,and under the radar ,he is very influential in shaping the Obama foreign policy.

Oh so he knows something then, like when to get out?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Can't see he has the experience to Do That Tom does he know anything about National Security?

Being qualified doesn't seem to be a matter of any importance to this administration... or the Democrat party for that matter these days.

Pakistan, where our State Dept. has spent $70,000 to run ads apologizing for the offending movie, is having a
"Day of Love." For Mohammad that is.

Apparently expressing love for Mohammad involves rioting, burning their own cars, banks and cinemas and cutting people in little bits publicly.

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Mohammed Tariq Khan, a protester in Islamabad, said: "Our demand is that whoever has blasphemed against our holy Prophet should be handed over to us so we can cut him up into tiny pieces in front of the entire nation."

I'm trying to follow the logic here but there is none. Seems some cartoons published in France stoked anger over the video made in California. So Pakistanis are pi$$ed at the video because the French published some cartoons and are tearing up their own stuff while we're apologizing for free speech. Is that about right?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Oh so he knows something then, like when to get out?

Yeah right... today is the last day of the "surge " in Afghanistan and Sec Defense Panetta called it a success.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah right ... today is the last day of the "surge " in Afghanistan and Sec Defense Panetta called it a success.

Particualrly since MORE people have died in the last three years under Obamas watch

Yes Afghanistan was successful war for the Taliban, they are undefeated by the greatest power on Earth, two down, who's next

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes Afghanistan was successful war for the Taliban, they are unfeated by the greatest power on Earth, two down, who's next

Problem is certain political types have never learned their lessons from Vietnam... if you go into a fight with one or both arms tied behind your back... and you opponent doesn't... you are going to lose. Yet they make many of the same mistakes in Afghanistan... measured response is a code word for we don't want to win.

We didn't win WW2 using that tactic.

Which part of WW2 are you speaking of. In Europe you were fighting a conventional enemy, not guerilla forces and it took the combined strength of armies numbering millions

In the Pacific you virtually had to dig the enemy out at great cost and you lost your patience and used weapons of annilhation

Using weapons of annilhation in Afghanistan wouldn't kill many, just covert the place into more of a wasteland than it already is, and you don't have the option of overwhelming numbers. There is one strategy, subdue Pakistan and you win in Afghanistan. Pakistan has shown itself to be a fair weather friend and may in fact be prosecuting the war

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Originally Posted by paraclete

which part of WW2 are you speaking of. In Europe you were fighting a conventional enemy, not guerilla forces and it took the combined strength of armies numbering millions

In the Pacific you virtually had to dig the enemy out at great cost and you lost your patience and used weapons of annilhation

Using weapons of annilhation in Afghanistan wouldn't kill many, just covert the place into more of a wasteland than it already is, and you don't have the option of overwelming numbers. There is one strategy, subdue Pakistan and you win in Afghanistan. Pakistan has shown itself to be a fair weather friend and may infact be prosecuting the war

Carpet bombing of cities might be frowned upon by the same people the believe in measured response... but it beat the Germans. And they WERE a formidable foe. Eventually they just didn't have enough men to fight... and had resorted to the very young and very old... in the end.

Put combat troops in a city... the city becomes fair game... stay behind and you are considered a combatant...

We did what we had to do... and that Included in Japan... they were warned enough times and had plenty of chances to surrender.

We did what we had to do... we would have beat them conventionally we were well on our way to do it... but it would have cost many more lives to do it. Actually far fewer died on BOTH sides because We DID use the bomb... than if we had continued conventionally.

I'm glad we did, I'm proud we did...

I had a great Uncle die during the Bataan Death March. I also had another uncle carried off Omaha Beach on D-Day with every bone in his body broken from a German artillery shell. I had a number of relatives in every war the last 100 years, including Afghanistan and Iraq.

I myself provided com support to the entire region during Desert Shield AND Desert Storm... yes I saw more than most ground commanders were privy to. Because I saw what many of them were being told to do and not just one of them before they even got their orders, daily. The work I did had me that close to everything. It didn't start there either and it didn't end there. See how I can comment on the BS you see on TV that's called news... and why I have zero respect for CNN... I saw it before they reported on it... or more like... told their version of what happened vs, what really happened.

And I've got a nearly 30 year history of seeing things before AND after the journalists get a hold of it and distort it.

I agree... Pakistan has been proven to be unworthy of trust.

You have said all that to say this

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I agree...Pakistan has been proven to be unworthy of trust.

I think you let them off too lightly, I couldn't help laughing when local television screened Rules of Engagement while the Pakistanis are beseigning the american embassy, I couldn't help wondering beyond the opportunistic programming whether it wasn't both pathetic and prophetic

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Originally Posted by paraclete

You have said all that to say this

I think you let them off too lightly, I couldn't help laughing when local television screened Rules of Engagement while the Pakistanis are beseigning the american embassy, I couldn't help wondering beyond the opportunistic progrgramming whether it wasn't both pathetic and prophetic

I don't see unfiltered info on every world event... and I haven't on this one... so I use an educated guess from what I have seen and who distorted it how to guess what might be closer to the truth in those cases I haven't... so I have no doubts reality is somewhat different that you are seeing from any news agency... colored by whatever slant would put their favored politicians in a better light.

I also know it happens in EVERY other country as well... and in most cases is skewed even worse by other countries news services.

Objective journalism is not only dead, its extinct... they are all run by Partisan Editors with political agendas to push.

Smoothy I have a particular interest in Pakistan, besides we get Al Jazzera here so we get more than one perspective. Things have been very bad there, they seem to have a very virilent form of islamism spilling into the political arena. No doubt the violence is orchestrated. The protests are more about american presence in the region than they are about a rediculously crude film

Tribal law rules and a president is no more than a mayor to the city in which he lives in some nations. Yes we get Al Jazeera here too, and nothing has changed the way those nations/tribes live and think. It is what it is.

Yes nutcase central

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Tribal law rules and a president is no more than a mayor to the city in which he lives in some nations. Yes we get Al Jazeera here too, and nothing has changed the way those nations/tribes live and think. It is what it is.

It is what it is?? I remember the sheer horror over the impending Bush theocracy and the mythical "Dominionist" plot of 2011. A widespread Islamist eruption where people are actually dying, a real war on women is being waged and a battle for global domination under Sharia law? It is what it is...

Hey, as long as it's over there, right?

You are absolutely right speech, we can't have freedom for everyone now can we? Fact is we have got to stop being the thought police no matter how wrong we think it is. Someoneelse's culture is their culture and as long as they don't impose it on us, we shouldn't impose ours on them. It takes a long time to change things and we have to accept that.

In some of these places people are centuries apart from us. England has a civil war four hundred years ago, The US two hundred years ago but some of these places have just reached that stage now

Hey, if Muslims want to whack each other perpetually then maybe they'll eliminate the problem themselves, but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that instead of wasting their time fretting over "extremist" Republicans.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that

Hello Steve:

Oh, I agree with you, and I'm a lib. The only difference is that I don't think we should start WARS over it... It's a great IDEA to make the world over in our image. It's just not doable.

excon

3 words for you that has replaced all our policies starting with the Obama Adm...
"Responsibility TO Protect " . They used it in Libya ;and they will use it in Syria.

Hello again,

I entered this thread late because I was trying to figure out what the fuss was all about. I STILL don't know.. Yes, the Middle East erupted again. What?? That's NEW? That's Obama's fault? Yes, he miscast a terrorist attack. He should have done it sooner?

Are you saying that he's SOFT on terrorism?? What ARE you saying?

excon

The whole point of this thread is the Obama administration, the guy who promised unprecedented transparency has once again lied through their teeth to the American people, people keep dying because of their incompetence, incoherent foreign policy and total lack of leadership and they need to be finally held accountable. You guys won't do it.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You guys won't do it.

Hello again, Steve:

Will this do it for you? It was a terrorist attack. He should have KNOWN sooner. He's a bad man...

excon

LOL, no.