Hello:
Clinton killed, didn't he?? Romney doesn't stand a chance. When you actually apply the 2 + 2 formula, he's out of gas.
excon
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Hello:
Clinton killed, didn't he?? Romney doesn't stand a chance. When you actually apply the 2 + 2 formula, he's out of gas.
excon
Only if you drank the Koolaide.
There is more truth to L. Ron Hubbard s books and The Church of Scientology than was uttered during the ENTIRE Democrat Convention.
I agree Ex Clinton was spot on, but he was talking to true believers and he isn't the one facing election
let's see... Monica + Jennifer + Paula + Kathleen +Juanita = Democrat war on women.
I thought his speech was a self serving nostalgia tour that did not much apply to the Obama Adm. In fact ;I think he intentionally highlighted his "successes " in contrast to the President's failures. He tried to transfer his own economic record after the Republican Congress forced him to do budget cuts as workfare , to the current president.His singular message was 'vote for Obama if you want Clintoon redux' . But we know Obama couldn't carry Clintoon bags (as Clintoon told Teddy Kennedy) .
He has always had a clever line of bs at his reserve ;and I usually have to download the text because his performances are usually mesmerizing . Lucky for me I was watching the Gnats blow a home game to the Cowboys ,and read the transcript as I listened to an audio download .
He took a shot at Mittens for not being specific enough when he knows d@mn well that the President will not touch on specifics in his address tonight.
His knock on Romney's budget math may have had a grain of truth ;but compared to Obama's double counting on his claims to Medicare savings ? Not even close . Obama uses the same cuts to pay for both an extension of Medicare's trust fund and ObamaCare's new insurance subsidies.
So here is some math that Clintoon forgot to mention :
1. National Debt increased from $11.9Trillion in 2009, to over $16Trillion today (the highest dollar amount increase in history).
2. From 2009 – 2011, U.S. trade deficit with China increased by over 30%
3 .Food Stamp participation increased from 33.5 Million in 2009 to about 47 Million today (the highest participation rate in history) ;all during the Obama recovery.
What Clintoon also failed to mention was that the Obama budget got ZERO support for passage in Congress by either party . Why was it rejected by the Dems ? Because they prefer to blame the Repubics for the impass than splitting their coalition between the stimulus hawks ;and the deficit reduction hawks .
Bottom line is that this President can't lead from behind... or from the links (104 rounds played to date ) .
All in all ;yesterday reminded me of the bibilical passage (paraphrase ) . 'You will deny God 3 times before the cock crows .'
Clinton was always a great public speaker, his charisma is unique.
I met him back when he was still in office... and it wasn't publicly... a true born used car salesman if there ever was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Met Hillary too at another time... jeeze what a shrew she is when the camera isn't around.
Tom those are marvelous statistics and only serve to reinforce how severe the situation was that Obama took over. Clinton spelt it out very well even if he took a long time to do it, Obama was handed a Crock and first he had to clean the bucket. By the time he got that done, the republicans were in a
Position to block what he might do.
He achieved some interesting things which might have not solved the problem
He put an end to the Bush Iraq war which was adding to the debt
He reformed Health care
He turned the auto industry around
He set a dead line for withdrawal from Afghanistan
He repositioned the US from the Atlantic to the Pacific
What he wasn't allowed to do was to reduce the debt by increasing taxation
Fact is Tom you are in deniel, the US is bankrupt and it takes time to work your way out of bankruptcy
Really, you believe all that propaganda? The deadline to leave Afghanistan was set under Bush...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
He didn't fix ANYTHING in healthcare... he made everything far worse.
He didn't turn the US auto industry around...
He didn't reposition the US from the Atlantic to the pacific... the bases that were there are still there...
And Contrary to the belief of the Idiot class known as Democrats... Iraq WASN'T the G W Bush war... any more than Korea is the Obama war... don't understand? Liberals have trouble grasping the concept of what a cease fire agreement is... there wasn't TWO Gulf wars... there was only ONE... with a cease fire agreement as an intermission... and that was there through BOTH Clinton Administrations too. It started when Saddam Hussein Invaded Kuwait. I know because I was involved in that daily and intimately through 1992 in ways I still can't talk about except in vague generalities.
Incidentally... do you think the Korea war actually ended in 1953? Well it didn't there is a cease fire agreement, there was no end to it... and there is no end in sight either.
I guess the left believes if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.. because their entire platform is based on that.
And Incidentally... the National debt when Obama too Office was 9 trillion, AFTER accounting for the wars... he turned that into a 16 Trillion dollar debt... and rising. Thanks to reckless spending under HIS administration.
And NO we aren't going to give him even more to waste.. we are already taxed too much... 47% of the working people NOW don't pay a DIME in federal income tax..
The new Bob Woodward book says otherwise. His was a 'my way or the highway' proposition for his 1st 2 years. He had no meaningful contact with the Republican minority leaders ;and even Madame Mimi Pelosi would take calls from him with the mute button pressed .Quote:
Obama was handed a Crock and first he had to clean the bucket. By the time he got that done, the republicans were in a
Position to block what he might do.
He turned victory into defeat when he failed to renew the status of forces agreement .US soldiers are still there dying.., except now they are dying while awaiting their withdrawal orders without any mission.Quote:
He put an end to the Bush Iraq war which was adding to the debt
He is destroying the one entitlement he vowed to preserve . This would require a new OP ;but suffice it to say that there are no savings to consumers ;and doctors are leaving the system in droves .Quote:
He reformed Health care
complete rubbish . Nothing was achieved that wouldn't have been achieved under regular bankruptcy procedures. What he did was strap the US taxpayer to an investment that has lost more than 50% of the taxpayer's money... and GM again closing down it's VOLT operation . He also managed to force Chrysler to sell to a foreign company.Quote:
He turned the auto industry around
He half hearted surged in Afghanistan .He announced a withdrawal date ;and has left our soldiers (and yours ) to be picked off by Afghanis that they are training to take over the "civil society" there.Quote:
He set a dead line for withdrawal from Afghanistan
I thought you opposed that . It is something I happen to agree with... but did you see how Evita got b*tch slapped by the cadres in Beijing on her way there ?Quote:
He repositioned the US from the Atlantic to the Pacific
Face it he is a disaster ;and Clintoon's speech only teased the Dems over what they once had (at least in their own mind... I of course have a different opinion of the Clintoon years ) .
Setting deadlines and taking action so you can implement them are two different things something about talk and action which you fail to understandQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Time and circumstance Tom policy is one thio\ng and implementation another something you don't understand. Must be a Republican thing. They have a so let it be written so let it be done mentalityQuote:
He didn't fix ANYTHING in healthcare... he made everything far worse.
He didn't turn the US auto industry around...
He didn't reposition the US from the Atlantic to the pacific... the bases that were there are still there...
He made healthcare available to more people, it all comes at a cost
If he hadn't taken the action he did your auto industry would be dead today
You will exit Europe because you are not needed there, you will exit the middle east because you are not needed there and you have become confrontational with China, you can't do that from the Atlantic.
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And Contrary to the belief of the Idiot class known as Democrats... Iraq WASN'T the G W Bush war..
Stop rewritting history without GW Bush there would have been no Iraq war
Ah an admission Iraq was bush unfinished business. Interesting thing US ceasefires, it seems the people who suffer are the civilians, that applies to both Korea and IraqQuote:
.any more than Korea is the Obama war... don't understand? Liberals have trouble grasping the concept of what a cease fire agreement is... there wasn't TWO Gulf wars... there was only ONE... with a cease fire agreement as an intermission... and that was there through BOTH Clinton Administrations too. It started when Saddam Hussein Invaded Kuwait. I know because I was involved in that daily and intimately through 1992 in ways I still can't talk about except in vague generalities.
For most of us Tom the Korean war ended in 1953 we don't want to revisit it, it is another of those wars the US didn't "win"Quote:
Incidentally... do you think the Korea war actually ended in 1953? Well it didn't there is a cease fire agreement, there was no end to it... and there is no end in sight either.
I guess the left believes if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.. because their entire platform is based on that.
And there is your problem, the Bush era tax system which created the debt blowout and you want to blame Obama for it. How can you run a country when the people who earn the money don't pay the taxes, what a rediculous policyQuote:
And Incidentally... the National debt when Obama too Office was 9 trillion, AFTER accounting for the wars... he turned that into a 16 Trillion dollar debt... and rising. Thanks to reckless spending under HIS administration.
And NO we aren't going to give him even more to waste.. we are already taxed too much... 47% of the working people NOW don't pay a DIME in federal income tax..
You know what TOM I don't have to agree and by the way arrogance will get you slapped down in this part of the world anytime. You don't belong here and you should understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't agree with US policy but that doesn't mean your administration hasn't achieved something, I'm not praising the method or the outcome just looking at what has been done. If I were doing it I would do it very differently but you could be assured my solution would include reform of tax, welfare, military, health and those doctors who are leaving, send them over here
When will you learn Clete to get out of the way when the righties get to rolling and rockin', and revising? They ain't serious, but they have to keep hollering to stay in shape for the day they really find something to holler about.
Tal that's like saying shut up, shush, the nazi are here. I will not shut up in the face of rabid right wing rhetoric. These guys exhibit no social conscious, no reponsibility for the messes they have made, no apology for their arrogance. They have never heard the word consensious, no idea what it means. Tom shouts against your social responsibility yet tells us he doesn't agree with republican platform. I want to know what does he believe in because the days of Grizzly Adams and Teddy Rooseveldt have gone forever
Typical liberal... social conscious to you means taking other people's money to fix societies ills.. ills that have been expanded by the society the progressives have constructed .
If you listened to the Dem convention speeches the last 3 days you could not help but notice that it was the Dems who were howling at the moon and foaming at the mouth full of hate and anger.
Well excuse me for not fitting into your box . I do not march in lock step with radicals who think their philosophy is main-stream. The world has tried your brand of progressive governance for a century and it is imploding on itself.
Smoke and mirrors Tom I'm more attuned to what we used to call One Nation than your idea of liberalism. The Dems as you call them are rightly aggrieved because their programs are blocked. The idea behind representative government is that each Party has an opportunity to implement their policies according to the will of the electorate. You have a system which is designed specifically to prevent such an outcome. This is not democracy, it is entrenched autocracy and as to our system imploding upon itself, far from it, we give you the lie Tom social welfare programs with small debt and sometimes even balanced budgets. How do we do it; fair taxation, balanced programmes and above all parliamentary and executive responsibility. You cannot do that because you don't understand consenciousQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It is a Republican government with checks written into it to guard against the abuses of a levithian state . I can't speak to your system ;but what you saw at the Dem convention was a bunch of 2% elites trying to salve their guilty conscious by taking money from other people to pay for their utopian experiments .Quote:
This is not democracy
No Tom what I saw were people who had a vision of a better, fairer nation, not a nation for the privileged 1% but for all. All you are complaining about is it might cost you some of your prescious money. Do you remember what happened to the Roman republic, to the French republic, they both became imperial states and tyranny reigned supreme. Cast aside your republican dream of a 1% utopia and embrace the people
Yes I have often quoted de Tocqueville's prescient warnings on what would bring that about.Quote:
Do you remember what happened to the Roman republic, to the French republic, they both became imperial states and tyranny reigned supreme.
A vision of a few elites who deplore our constitution and think fair is stealing from one to create a permanently dependent citizenry. I'll keep my freedom thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
He didn't make healthcare affordible to anyone... he made it far more expensive for everyone... and that's before the 1.5 TRILLION dollar cost PER YEAR is added in if its ever allowed to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And its going to dramatically REDUCE the availibility and quality of healthcare, because doctors are already planning on quitting their practices... some already have rather than work under that socialist mess.
I will give you a pass on not knowing this because you are on the other side of the planet and all you find out is through the highly biased rose colored glasses of Liberal partisans that jokingly call themselves Journalists.
THe average liberal here believes if they can't have something for free that you pay for... then nobody should be entitled to have it either.
THey will be outlawing BMW's and Mercedes Benz as well as other luxury brands next because most liberals can't afford those either so its unfair that those who can afford them be allowed to buy them.
And as far as Iraq... I figured you were a lot smarter person than someone who would utter that remark.
Contrary to your claims... I was there, was you?. that war did NOT start under G W Bush... it started before Clinton ever took office... It started under Dady Bush after Saddam invaded our Ally in the region Kuwait and threatened another ally Saudi Arabia.
And its willful ignorance to refust to accept that there was a UN brokered Cease fire agreement... and that a cease fire agreement by ANY acceptable definition is NOT the end of a war... and that was NO different than Korea... which still has millions of troops on both sides of the border waiting for someone to break the cease fire.
Saddam Hussein... DID violate that agreement a number of times... they also DID find like 240 METRIC TONS of yellowcake uranium IN IRAQ where the liberals claim it never existed that was publicly reported and transported to Canada where it was reprocessed. Its also well known by EVERY government that the stockpiles of Nerve gas Saddam had were transported into Syria where they remain to this time.
Ever wonder why no country has sent in troops to end that civil war over there? You got it, the stocks of WMD's, Nerve and Chemical agents Assad has.
Of course if you listen to the lefty media... the USA is the only country in history to possess such arms... not Russia, not North Korea, not any other country... because the left hates America.
You realize that yellowcake uranium is naturally occurring right?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
If you have a 10 by 20 metre lawn, then the top metre of soil will have around 1 kg of uranium in it.
Also if you check into this, you'll quickly find that the uranium a) was not weapons grade and b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam's government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.
Simmer down righties, we know you are only holding the door open for your oligarchs and religious leaders to extract wealth and be dependent on your idea of charity so you can justify being peed on from above is healthy rain.
I KNOW, liberal straw man arguments against conservative truth, justice and the conser... I mean... American way!
Blah, Blah, and more BLAH! Explain record profits and no jobs. I can fire the self proclaimed job creators, and hire back the REAL job creators... consumers!!
And leave Science and economics to people who are qualified and rational and not stuck in conservative mind set insanity.
Right... you find HUGE veins of yellow cake just like you find coal... right? No it's a lot more complicated than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Would YOU want to go play in a pile of it... or put some on your food? Ever hear of dirty bombs?
And incidentally... where do you live where you can find Uranium in those sort of high concentrations... because I don't want to live there or anywhere near there.
My entire property doesn't have anything like that on it and I own a LOT more land than that...
You don't find uranium in comerically recoverable concentrations in all that many places... just like you won't find, gold copper or silver either.
And in the places you do... its not even in concentrations that high.
Hello again,
What I find interesting, is that we appeared to have watched TWO different conventions... I WATCHED the Republican one. I understood it too.
Maybe liberals use too many big words. I don't mean to insult you guys. I know that you're smart... But, I didn't hear ANYONE say they want people to be dependent on government. You did, huh?
I think that's why you're going to lose. MOST of the people heard what was actually said...
excon
SO how many people did YOU hire the last four years, and what's your excuse for not hireing a lot more?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What do you think the ratio of business owners to employees is? I'm curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Consumers don't hire, they buy and create DEMAND often lost in your supply side economics. Demand is DOWN because consumers don't have any revenue streams thanks to the smoke and mirror, supply side, bubble driven, redirection of wealth upward for the last 30 years.
And aided mostly by tax cuts during a recession caused by the high class robbery that you righties approved of and held the door open for.
And keep your hands off my Medicare and social security, and that goes for my kids and grand kids to.
He claimed is the consumers that creat all the jobs... since he has never indicated he was rich in any thread I've read of his, he then implies HE is one of the job creators... therefor if the unemployment rates.. the REAL ones are so high.. then its Liberals such as him that are responsible for it... not the rich people they have been blaming it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Funny how the left blames the wealthy for NOT creating enough jobs then in the next breath claim the rich aren't the job creators that THEY actually are...
Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
WHo owns those businesses then, who took the risked and the choices to grow them? Its not the Things that infest Public housing projects?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama defuned Medicare by 750 BILLION dollars in the Obamacare mess... you better put the blame where it belongs... on YOUR messiah.
And iots the lefties that have been handing out SSI benefits to the fat and lazy who have never paid in or have paid little in... and to the immigrants that got handed green cards in their late 50's and 60's that never paid much in for the reason its gone bankrupt.
And you are a fool if you think the Democrats haven't done more than their fair share of raiding those fuds over the last 6 or 7 DECADES and spending it on other things... Don't lay that on the republicans. Obama did it, Clinton did it too... and so did Jimmy carter and every Democrat administration before them... as well as every Democrat controlled congress that has existed since SSI was created.
Yes we are well aware of your racial views.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Read Tal's post above yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Read the one he made further up that I was responding to.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Julia.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Nice rant, you guys are so good at it, but you have never mentioned not once how rich guys called themselves job creators and never created jobs but bonuses, golden parachutes, overseas accounts, and foreign sweat shops. Through a global fiscal crisis they continue to make wealth for themselves through extractions and financial schemes that created no value for any one but themselves.
Then they turn around and repeat the lies that hide there own culpability in screwing things up. That's why more tax cuts and smaller government work for them, and that's what they get with you guys, but of course that what you want. More wealth through tax cuts and corporate welfare while the shop owner, or consumer can't get a line of credit, without a really high interest rate, or collateral up the ying yang to keep his small business going.
Yeah, can't wait for Romney to stop lying so you guys can stop repeating the lies, and tell us the things he will cut to balance the budget and pay for his huge tax cut to himself. Or how he creates the opportunity to make more people less dependent on your BOGUS nanny state.
No I am not rich, but am experienced in thriving and surviving, and calling it like it is. And doing the math despite the sham you guys swallow hook, line, and sinker!
It's ARITHMETIC, Stupid
23 million Americans are out of work, have stopped looking for work, or are underemployed.If the number of people were in the workforce as there were when Obama took office ,unemployment would be 11.4% .The only reason the jobless rate fell in August(by a modest 0.2%,) was 368,000 people left the labor force, pushing labor force participation down to a 31-year low of 63.5%.And yet Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, praised the number as evidence of an improved economy. He must be a former Choom Gang member . There are 133.3 million Americans working .When Obama took office there were 133.561 million exposing the President's lie that 4.5 million new jobs were created under his watch.['You didn't elect me to tell you what you wanted to hear,you elected me to tell you the truth'. ]
The White House actually boasts about 96,000 new payroll jobs (less than 2000 per State and 4x the number of people who left the workforce giving up looking for work ) .Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said the U.S. must create 150,000 to 200,000 jobs per month to cover new workers coming out of school and providing jobs for the current job seekers.
We've had 43 straight months of 8% or higher unemployment... an infamous record. The CBO says that "under current law" (budgets passed by a Democrat dominated Congress and signed by Obama ) unemployment will surge to 9.1% next year ;and the U.S. economy will go into double dip recession. Why are we still operating under the failed policies of Pelosi /Reid /Obama ? Because the do nothing Senate has failed to act on either the President's proposed budgets submitted ,or budgets passed by the House since 2011.
Instead of detailed the 'truth' ,the President spead a litany of lies during his address promising everything to everyone who wants to dip into the taxpayers money .He did this despite the truth that we just topped $16 trillion in national debt (that's $50,000 for every American... an increase of $4.939 Trillion in the 3 1/2 years since Obama took office; It went up $4.899 Trillion during the 8 years of the Bush presidency. ); and we have unsustainable future entitlement obligations .
4 straight trillion dollar budget deficits in a row -- more than any other president combined-brought us to a national debt that is over 100% of GDP .He promised a $4 trillion reduction in the deficit over the next decade. But according to the CBO his budget ( submitted to Congress in February ) would add $3.5 trillion in deficits,NOT reduce them (no wonder Reid won't pass his plan) .
He promised FDR like 'bold experimentation ' without mentioning Roosevelt's record of failure. Under FDR the poor disastrous unemployment rate was virtually unchanged after 8 years in office,
On other OP's the phony social wars are being kept alive to deflect and distract from this arithmetic. But it is these numbers that will determine the result of this election.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah, yeah, yeah... What you say is TRUE, but it's STILL Bush's fault...
Let me ask you this... Let's say your daughter was RAPED, oh about 4 years ago. You send her to a good doctor to help her... But, it's taking a LONG time for her to recover...
Do you blame the doctor for that, or the rapist?? Never mind.. You don't have to answer.
excon
Is abortion the only issue the Obama supporters have left ? You have a new OP going and the one about the War on Women got over 500 replies. I've said all I have to say on the issue .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Abortion is the OTHER thread... I just used the rape thing to show you that it is similar to the economy and who to BLAME for it... You want to blame ONE guy, and I want to blame the other...
Show me one good reason to blame Obama, and I will. But, I'm not buying it's been 3 years, so he owns it now... That's pure unadulterated right wing CRAP!
excon
That was the argument used by the Dems on GHW Bush is 1988 after a mild recession.That was the argument used by Jimmy C in 1976 against Ford . So what you are telling me is that after 3 1/2 years of no improvement ,that he and his failed polices should be rewarded with another 4 years ? Yeah you did drink the koolaid, He says he is going to mimic the FDR plan ? But unemployment was almost 20% 8 years into Roosevelt's term . His policies prolonged the depression, just like Obama's policies are prolonging the recession. . So we know the path he's leading us on is a path to failure.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't know that... What I KNOW, is that MASSIVE government spending due to WW II, got us OUT of the depression and sent us on a 30 year wave of unprecedented prosperity.
excon
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