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  • Jul 27, 2012, 10:42 AM
    excon
    Mitts European Vacation
    Hello:

    So far, it's not going well... He's dufus II.

    He's going to Poland soon.. Is he going to tell them a polish joke?

    excon
  • Jul 27, 2012, 11:03 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello:

    So far, it's not going well... He's dufus II.

    He's going to Poland soon.. Is he gonna tell them a polish joke??

    excon

    Yeah that was an unforced error. Of course the hypocites in London are acting as if he insulted them by returning a bust of Churchill or gave thoughtless gifts to their queen .
  • Jul 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
    tomder55
    An example of the power of the incumbency was on display today. The President (in tal's words ) has peed on the head of Israel since he was sworn in .

    But today ;on the eve of the Romney visit to Israel ; the President made a big demonstration of signing into law ,a military aid bill for Israel.

    The Israelis will see through this demonstration. But it wasn't meant for their benefit . It was to shore up his Jewish support in Florida.
  • Jul 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
    NeedKarma
    He really doesn't like them over there:

    Quote:

    He wrote this in his 2010 book No Apology:

    England [sic] is just a small island. Its roads and houses are small. With few exceptions, it doesn't make things that people in the rest of the world want to buy.
    Quote:

    In 2007:
    The United States is in danger of becoming a "second-tier" nation like Britain and other European countries if Hillary Clinton wins the White House
  • Jul 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
    tomder55
    He was right in his book. When you read the rest of the paragraph it makes perfect sense.

    Quote:

    And if it hadn't been separated from the continent by water, it almost certainly would have been lost to Hitler's ambitions. Yet only two lifetimes ago, Britain ruled the largest and wealthiest empire in the history of humankind. Britain controlled a quarter of the earth's land and a quarter of the earth's population.
    That empire was built on the Navy ;a Navy the Brits cannot sustain at levels beyond a '2nd tier power. Today they would have problems defending the Falklands.
  • Jul 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
    NeedKarma
    I'm sure the UK is loving being called second-tier.
  • Jul 27, 2012, 12:03 PM
    speechlesstx
    Good thing Londoners don't vote in our election. Or do they? You guys let anyone vote.
  • Jul 27, 2012, 12:05 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I'm sure the UK is loving being called second-tier.

    Just like Salt Lake City loves being called "the middle of nowhere." Best retort of the whole affair from the SLC mayor's office:

    Quote:

    "(David Cameron) can stop by any time. We'd love to have him and are happy to send a map so he doesn't run into any trouble locating the middle of nowhere." — Spokesperson For Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker
  • Jul 27, 2012, 03:07 PM
    paraclete
    When you have a mouth and half a brain you just have to use both. Romney demonstrated both in Britain and was told appropriately how small his efforts had been. Let's hope he doesn't tell the Polish people how wonderful Dachau was, or let Isreal know his religious beliefs
  • Jul 27, 2012, 04:16 PM
    tomder55
    Or maybe he can go to Berlin and have rally at the Siegessaule column . Oh wait Obama beat him to it .
  • Jul 27, 2012, 05:00 PM
    paraclete
    I have a sense Tom that Obama may have beat him to other things and may prevail particularly if Romney continues his give me's.

    Romney wants to elevate the US at the expense of others, rather he should put his expertise to work elevating the US from its second string economic status and take a lesson from the British experience. When you overstretch your resources your inadequacies will one day become obvious
  • Jul 28, 2012, 02:57 AM
    tomder55
    His statement ,although clumbsy ,was not worthy of the over-reaction .All he did was point out some concerns that the Brit press has reported on since they won the bid to hold the games. Perhaps when they stop their over the top bloviating they may consider that Romney had tremendous success managing an Olympics .

    When he was called on the bail out the Salt Lake City games the project was a corrupt, bloated, and overbudget, organization that was $400 million in the hole .There were crimes that resulted in jail time for some of the organizers .He had exactly the same security concerns as the Brits have. His Olympics was in the wake of the 9-11 attack ,and there was not a whole lot of extra money to devote to security

    Still ,the games were held without a hitch .He transformed it into a spectacular success with a $100 million surplus.

    So unless the Brits are over sensitive panty waists ,their explosive reaction to his comments are way over the top.

    .
  • Jul 28, 2012, 04:05 AM
    paraclete
    You don't need to defend him because he is a republican, if Obama had said it you would have criticised him. There is a vast difference between the British press commenting on British shortcomings and an american wannabee doing the same to bolster his own ego and his political position..

    The Brits have done a marvelous job with the opening ceremony, and guess what? They didn't need Romney's advice. I predict they will find it will all turn out okay
  • Jul 28, 2012, 04:39 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    The Brits have done a marvelous job with the opening ceremony
    Except for the James Bond scene with the Queen ,the whole ceremony was a snoozer. They could've spared us watching workers strip sod off the field at least .

    But I'll be fair. The uniforms the US team wore was lame! How they allowed Ralph Lauren to dress our athletes in French berets ,and too large Polo logos on their suits is beyond me.
  • Jul 28, 2012, 05:22 AM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    you don't need to defend him because he is a republican, if Obama had said it you would have critised him. There is a vast difference between the British press commenting on British shortcomings and an american wannabee doing the same to bolster his own ego and his political position..

    The Brits have done a marvelous job with the opening cerimony, and guess what? they didn't need Romney's advice. I predict they will find it will all turn out okay

    Considering his social gafs I think it is apropos that the Brits call him 'mitt the twit'. I can't wait to hear what happens in Isreal!
  • Jul 28, 2012, 05:59 AM
    paraclete
    I think Mitt is shambolic
  • Jul 29, 2012, 03:13 AM
    tomder55
    Then again ;maybe Romney has a point. They weren't ready for the games .
    London 2012 Olympics: Empty seats on the opening day prompts investigation - Telegraph
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:21 AM
    tomder55
    http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...-SWIM-DAY1.jpg
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:34 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Point or not, it's NOT diplomatic to criticize a country you're about to visit...

    To ME, it's more important to see how Romney operates on the world stage. So far, he's failed, and he didn't bow to anybody either.

    excon
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:36 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Except for the James Bond scene with the Queen ,the whole ceremony was a snoozer. They could've spared us watching workers strip sod off the field at least.

    Roger Ebert caught all the allusions and droll humor in it and said it was a "gob smacker"!
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:42 AM
    tomder55
    I have to agree with Ebert. I thought the tribute to the National Health Care with hundreds of children in beds having terrible nightmares was hilarious.
    Then they made it a point to note that the audience in attendance could get a wiff of industrial pollution coming out of the smoke stacks.
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:43 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I have to agree with Ebert. I thought the tribute to the National Health Care with hundreds of children in beds having terrible nightmares was hilarious.

    And tying that in with "Mary Poppins"...
  • Jul 29, 2012, 09:51 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    And tying that in with "Mary Poppins"...
    representing the 'nanny state ' ?
  • Jul 29, 2012, 12:38 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    Point or not, it's NOT diplomatic to criticize a country you're about to visit...

    To ME, it's more important to see how Romney operates on the world stage. So far, he's failed, and he didn't bow to anybody either.

    excon

    " We knew we weren't prepared for this but we don't appreciate an upstart colonist bringing up the point!"
  • Jul 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    " We knew we weren't prepared for this but we don't appreciate an upstart colonist bringing up the point!"

    I will complain about my mother all I want, but don't you dare say one word against her!
  • Jul 30, 2012, 08:55 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    Romney Praises Israel's Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

    "If I'm President of the United States, we're going to get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

    But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can't get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel's gross domestic product compared to the United States:

    Quote:

    “Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”
    I wonder how THAT'S going to play..

    Excon
  • Jul 30, 2012, 08:57 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Romney Praises Israel’s Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

    "If I’m President of the United States, we’re gonna get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

    But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can’t get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel’s gross domestic product compared to the United States:



    I wonder how THAT'S gonna play..

    excon

    This needs its own thread.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:04 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Romney Praises Israel’s Universal Health Care System, Which Includes Individual Mandate..

    "If I’m President of the United States, we’re gonna get rid of Obamacare and return, under our constitution, the 10th Amendment, the responsibility and care of health care to the people in the states,” Romney said during a GOP presidential debate.

    But during his trip to Israel, Romney inadvertently praised the individual requirement and universal health care. “For an American abroad, you can’t get much closer to the ideals and convictions of my own country than you do in Israel,” he said. And according to The New York Times, Romney spoke favorably about the fact that health care makes up a much smaller amount of Israel’s gross domestic product compared to the United States:



    I wonder how THAT'S gonna play..

    excon

    Are you under the impression that we don't also believe health care is too expensive? No, we just have different ideas of how to fix that. You think government is the solution and I think government is the problem.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:06 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You think government is the solution and I think government is the problem.

    Mittens thinks government is the solution too. You stand alone. :-)
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:24 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Are you under the impression that we don't also believe health care is too expensive? No, we just have different ideas of how to fix that.

    Hello again, Steve:

    I'm under TWO impressions.

    IF you actually believe it's too expensive, your party COULD have offered its ideas back BEFORE the ACA. But, they didn't. I think it's because there WERE none...

    The second impression I'm under is that your cure is to offer vouchers to people and send them on their way... That's not going to FIX anything.

    excon
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:27 AM
    tomder55
    I wonder if the Israelis take in anyone and everyone from neighboring states ,and let them use the system for free. I wonder if the Israelis have free universal contraception and abortion. I wonder what part of the Israeli population live permanently on the dole ;or pay no income tax .
    Yeah ,if I believed that a US centralized system would effectively run a health care system at 8% GDP I may sign up too. But we all know it can't... not even close.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I wonder if the Israelis take in anyone and everyone from neighboring states ,and let them use the system for free. I wonder if the Israelis have free universal contraception and abortion. I wonder what part of the Israeli population live permanently on the dole ;or pay no income tax .
    Yeah ,if I believed that a US centralized system would effectively run a health care system at 8% GDP I may sign up too. But we all know it can't ....not even close.

    I guess you know more than your presidential hopeful. That doesn't bode well for him.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 09:54 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Mittens thinks government is the solution too. You stand alone. :-)

    At least I don't stand alone in my own reality.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 10:01 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I'm under TWO impressions.

    IF you actually believe it's too expensive, your party COULD have offered its ideas back BEFORE the ACA. But, they didn't. I think it's because there WERE none...

    The second impression I'm under is that your cure is to offer vouchers to people and send them on their way... That's not gonna FIX anything.

    excon

    OK ex, you tell me what Republican bills have been given consideration by Democrats since Obama basically told Republicans to suck rocks in January '09.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 10:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...66794128_n.jpg
  • Jul 30, 2012, 11:56 AM
    talaniman
    Mitt isn't the solution, he's the problem. Its embarrassing for the rest of the world to see we let the loonies out!

    Polish Solidarity distances itself from Romney visit | Reuters
  • Jul 30, 2012, 11:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    "Regretfully, we were informed by our friends from the American headquarters of (trade union federation) AFL-CIO, which represents more than 12 million employees ... that Mitt Romney supported attacks on trade unions and employees' rights," Solidarity said in a statement."

    I am shocked, SHOCKED that the AFL-CIO would try and make Romney look bad.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 12:25 PM
    talaniman
    It doesn't take much for Romney to look bad because all you have to do is give Solidarity the YouTube links and they can see for themselves what he says in his own words.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 01:25 PM
    speechlesstx
    "Solidarity is still known abroad because of its historic role in the collapse of Communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall. At home, it is now closely linked with Poland's biggest opposition party, which promotes conservative social values."

    Sounds like they and Mitt are a nice match.
  • Jul 30, 2012, 02:17 PM
    tomder55
    A Nobel Endorsement by former Polish President - 06:30 p.m. CET (11:30 a.m. EST) - Lech Walesa, the Nobel Prize winner and former Polish president, “has effectively endorsed Romney.”

    “I wish you to be successful because this success is needed to the United States, of course, but to Europe and the rest of the world, too. Gov Romney, get your success – be successful,” Walesa told Romney, according to a translator.

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