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The war on women

Hello:

We've had post after post about this alleged war on women. The right wing says, what war? There's nothing going on here. Look over there. Then they accuse the Democrats of pitting women against men. They just want to talk about jobs...

But, even after those discussion, the war on women persists... The Republicans want to exclude certain classes of women from the Violence Against Women Act. That seems pretty mean against women, and I don't know WHAT that has to do with jobs anyway.. The right wingers are AGAINST Paycheck Fairness Act. With a reported 77 cents to the dollar pay gap between women and men, respectively, the act will FIX it. Republicans are just fine with the discrepancy.

These are only two examples of the ongoing war. There are countless more. Does the right wing think they can continue to deny this multi-front attack?

excon

It is the Violence Against Women "reauthorization" Act, and Dems want to reauthorize it include provisions for illegal aliens to claim temporary visas and expand coverage to same sex couples. It's not a war on women, it's Democrats trying to paint Republicans in a corner. It's all politics.

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“I favor the Violence Against Women Act and have supported it at various points over the years, but there are matters put on that bill that almost seem to invite opposition,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, who opposed the latest version last month in the Judiciary Committee. “You think that’s possible? You think they might have put things in there we couldn’t support that maybe then they could accuse you of not being supportive of fighting violence against women?”

I'll care about your pathetic war on women meme when you liberals start talking about issues that really matter instead of all this pandering bullsh*t. By the way, did you notice the all woman panel on your Paycheck Fairness Act link were opposed to it 4-3? Probably not.

So how exactly are these two bills passage going to bring us out of this stagnant economy?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So how exactly are these two bills passage going to bring us out of this stagnant economy?

Hello Steve:

What? We can't protect women AND create a few jobs?? That may be something righty's can't do, but Obama CAN walk and chew gum at the same time...

The fact that there are right wingers who'll tow the party line doesn't impress me. Besides, I'm on the RIGHT side of this argument.. I'm for SPREADING the blessings of freedom, while you're for LIMITING them. Therefore, it wouldn't matter HOW many right wing women you line up against me.

excon

Buddy, making more and more Americans dependent on government is not freedom, it's quite the opposite. Treating women and minorities as if they can't get by without the government's help is not empowering, it's quite the opposite. And don't whine to me about "toeing the party line," it doesn't get any more hyper-partisan than your side of the aisle.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Treating women and minorities as if they can't get by without the government's help is not empowering, it's quite the opposite.

Hello again, Steve:

So, in the ABSENCE of rules against it, companies, on their own motion, WOULD pay women the same as men... In the ABSENCE of laws against it, black people wouldn't have to ride in the back of the bus... In the ABSENCE of laws against it, you think women would have choices over their own bodies...

Dude! Send me some of what YOU'RE smokin..

excon

Honestly, I love to read questions like this. I like to see other's opinions, and I like to think about them myself... I won't post a deeply political answer on here, because I am supposed to be doing homework right now, and that would take a logn time. However, there is one thing I saw that I want to discuss.
Quote: 'Reublicans are just fine with discrepency.' What? Really? I'm a republican conservative. No, I don't believe everybody in my party is clean or correct, and no, I don't believe that everybody who calls themselves a democrat is a fool, like so many of my colleagues believe.
However, you have made a fool out of yourself by claiming that all republicans are fine with discrepency. In my seventeen years of life, the only thing I have learned from politicians is that they can make you angry. However, when as certain person's follower goes and vents out their frustration on an entire group, like you did above, they become just as foolish as the people they oppose so vehemently.
So, in closing, no, I don't believe your point is valid. Republicans are not fine with discrepency. I am proof of this.

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Originally Posted by bdaino

Honestly, I love to read questions like this. I like to see other's opinions, and I like to think about them myself...I won't post a deeply political answer on here,

So, in closing, no, I don't believe your point is valid. Republicans are not fine with discrepency. I am proof of this.

Hello b:

Hold on, Youngster... First off you say you're not going to post anything deeply political, and then you tear into me for posting something deeply political...

You're right, though. I should have been more specific. I didn't mean ALL Republicans. I meant the Republicans in congress who have the POWER to make law. THEY'RE the ones who think the discrepancy is fine, and what THEY think counts. That's who I was talking about.

But, if you hang around here, you may just find some Republicans who ARE fine with it.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, in the ABSENCE of rules against it, companies, on their own motion, WOULD pay women the same as men... In the ABSENCE of laws against it, black people wouldn't have to ride in the back of the bus... In the ABSENCE of laws against it, you think women would have choices over their own bodies...

Straw man. There are already rules against abusing women and pay discrimination, Roe v. Wade is settled and you can talk to Michelle Obama about patient dumping instead of dredging up that trite back of the bus crap.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Straw man. There are already rules against abusing women and pay discrimination

Hello again, Steve:

Let me see. The Democrats passed a HUGE health care law when it wasn't necessary at all.. In fact, everybody get's all the care they need. Republicans are just trying to prevent wasteful duplication..

In that same vein, we don't need laws that protect women, either. Cause there already ARE those laws.. The Republicans are only trying to prevent wasteful duplication...

Since I know the first part ain't true, why should I believe the second part?

excon

Let me see, the Democrats promised we could keep our insurance if we liked it, the cost has doubled from what was promised and they destroyed the first amendment in the process and still can't figure out why anyone would balk at raising the debt ceiling again without cutting spending while questioning Republican's patriotism while refusing to submit a budget for 3 years, and manufactured a mythical "war on women".

Why the heck should I trust them, they're just children pretending to be grownups for the sake of establishing their oligarchy so they can nanny all those people they lie about protecting.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello b:

Hold on, Youngster... First off you say you're not gonna post anything deeply political, and then you tear into me for posting something deeply political...

You're right, though. I should have been more specific. I didn't mean ALL Republicans. I meant the Republicans in congress who have the POWER to make law. THEY'RE the ones who think the discrepancy is fine, and what THEY think counts. That's who I was talking about.

But, if you hang around here, you may just find some Republicans who ARE fine with it.

excon

Honestly, I'm relatively confident there are republicans who believe they are doing the right things with these kinds of bills, and in doing so, promote discrepancy. I have no doubt of this, and I am sure that these people are what raise your concerns. I only posted on the basis of your statement that we all uphold discrepency, and being that you have formally redacted and clarified that statement, we have no quarell. However, I would find it interesting if you could post something showing who exactly it is that is promoting discrepency, and with what bills they support it through, if that would be something you could do. I would like to read up on that.

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Originally Posted by bdaino

if you could post something showing who exactly it is that is promoting discrepency, and with what bills they support it through, if that would be something you could do.

Hello again, b:

In my original post, there are some blue words. Those are links to articles.

excon

Republican women are fighting back...

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That’s what makes the Democrats’ message to American women so strange and unsettling. For the past few months, the Democrats have been accusing Republicans of waging a “war on women” as if some honest disagreements between the parties — over matters like how an “Obamacare” mandate should affect religious institutions or the proper scope of federal law on tribal land — constitute a deliberate GOP campaign to take away women’s rights.

Nothing could be further from the truth, and Republican women have been at the forefront exposing these myths. Let’s face it: Republican women — like us — would never be part of a party that didn’t believe in women’s rights, equal pay for equal work and strong laws against sexual violence. The Republican Party believes in all of those things.

We also believe in something else: We believe that women want to be empowered. We believe that women want independence. We want opportunities. We want an equal chance to succeed — no special favors and no glass ceilings. We want our daughters to have those same opportunities, that same chance to live the American dream. We want our sons to have it, too.

What policies promote freedom, opportunity and self-ownership? Certainly not the Democrats’ Big Government policies. The Democrats showed their hand recently with their “Life of Julia” infographic. The Obama campaign used this to illustrate how a typical woman is dependent on government programs from birth to death — and how the GOP is supposedly undermining those programs.

Leaving aside that everything the “Julia” campaign said about Republicans is either mostly wrong or totally wrong, “Julia’s” life is not typical of American women. Nor is it something that we aspire to. We don’t see our lives as a product of government handouts. In fact, we resent the idea that we owe our success to bureaucrats, and not our own initiative.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Republican women are fighting back...

Hello Steve:

Wow. I never would have thunk Republican women would disagree with me... You could knock me over with a feather...

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Coat hanger abortions are fine, says Mississippi lawmaker, because ‘Hey, you have to have moral values’.

excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Of course you'd never consider what they said or how illogical it for a woman to represent a party that hates women.

Hello again, Steve:

I DO think it's illogical. The whole thing IS illogical.. But, should I not believe my lying eyes?? Here's the deal.. I DO consider what these women SAID.. I ALSO consider how they VOTED, and how they VOTED is at odds with what they SAY.

If given a choice to believe what they SAY or what they DO, I'm going to pick DO. Every single woman in the video who PROCLAIMED she was for women's rights, and equal pay for equal work, voted AGAINST the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

There just ain't nothing more to say.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

Wow. I never woulda thunk Republican women would disagree with me... You could knock me over with a feather...

excon

Hello, excon:

There are only 24 of them who do.

WG

Hello WG:

The Republicans seem to think that SAYING they're for women's rights, and BEING for women's rights are the same thing...

In fact, the very first congresswoman in Steve's video, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, voted AGAINST the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

I didn't look, but I'll bet the rest of 'em did too.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Yeah that war on women and the war on religious freedom strategery is really working out for the Pres. Now he has those liberal bastions of academia ,Notre Dame U ,and The Catholic University of America joining in a lawsuit against the contraception mandate.
His diversion over reaches to distract from the poor economy is FAIL .

It is sad you want to argue about such inconsequential issues when there are real issues to argue about

Women have got it all man
Gina Rinehart named world's richest woman, ahead of Wal-Mart widow Christy Walton | News.com.au

And best of all not a Wall Street adviser in sight

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Coat hanger abortions are fine, says Mississippi lawmaker, because ‘Hey, you have to have moral values’.

excon

Sorry, but that's not what he said at all.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

Wow. I never woulda thunk Republican women would disagree with me... You could knock me over with a feather...

excon

Of course you'd never consider what they said or how illogical it for a woman to represent a party that hates women. You'd rather just run with this childish campaign of clichés that Obama is engaged in.

Again as I said, there are already laws on the books covering all of the issues you raised. Smart women SHOULD vote as they did. As strong, independent conservative women know, the life of Julia being tethered to the federal government from cradle to grave is not empowering. I'm surprised you think so little of women that you think they have to have Obama's help to survive.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Again as I said, there are already laws on the books covering all of the issues you raised.

Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh... Talk, talk, talk... Just like the Republican women.. It doesn't change the TRUTH...

The Lilly Ledbetter law was a direct answer to the Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. A U.S. Supreme Court decision holding that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck, as a lower court had ruled.

You DO understand that the lower court ruling CHEATED women out of equal pay for equal work. That's just so... And, ALL of your Republican women voted against it.

excon

You do understand that decision has nothing to do with the Equal Pay Act. She sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. She had 3 years to sue under the Equal Pay Act and 4 years under 42 U.S.C. 1981. Why did it need to be expanded to the Civil Rights Act also?

Like I said there were already laws on the books. Now there are three.

P.S. Let's see who comes out to defend S.E. Cupp after Hustler published an explicit, humiliating, degrading, Photoshopped image and criticized her conservative leanings.

There is no war on women, women think they are a special species that should have privileges, they are not

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Originally Posted by paraclete

there is no war on women, women think they are a special species that should have privileges, they are not

Just ask the White House and Senate Democrats.

Senate Dems Betray Lilly
Senate Democrats pay female staffers less than male staffers

I guess conservatives are busy reading Hustler. Good family values to be found there. LOL!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I guess conservatives are busy reading Hustler. Good family values to be found there. LOL!

Um, the source was Mediate, not Hustler. But I'm not surprised you would ignorantly mock conservatives instead of denouncing Hustler for their smear of a conservative woman. Priorities, right?

Someone read Hustler to find something that was offensive to conservatives.
Personally Hustler can print any damn thing it wants, it can say that Obama is gay or that liberals eat babies. The people that get their opinions from there are irrelevant to me.
Once again the easily offended get offended easily.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Someone read Hustler to find something that was offensive to conservatives

What part of Mediate read Hustler so we don't have to don't you understand?

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Once again the easily offended get offended easily.

So you publish a doctored photo of Nancy Pelosi with a penis in her mouth and let's see if no one gets offended.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So you publish a doctored photo of Nancy Pelosi with a penis in her mouth and let's see if no one gets offended.

Do it in your regular nasty porn mag and see what happens.
If they are offended by that and not by the pink spreads then there's something wrong, no?

You can stay on the wrong side of this all you want, but for once even Planned Parenthood gets it right.

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Planned Parenthood, Sandra Fluke condemn Hustler for S.E. Cupp image
3:04 PM 05/23/2012
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The Planned Parenthood Action Fund and Sandra Fluke have condemned Hustler Magazine's treatment of conservative commentator S.E. Cupp.

The most recent issue of Hustler reportedly features a fake image of Cupp with a phallus in her mouth, citing her opposition to abortion and Planned Parenthood as reasons for the image.

“S.E. Cupp is a lovely young lady who read too much Ayn Rand in high school and ended up joining the dark side,” the caption reads. “Cupp, an author and media commentator who often shows up on Fox News programs, is undeniably cute. But her hotness is diminished when she espouses dumb ideas like defunding Planned Parenthood. Perhaps the method pictured here is Ms. Cupp's suggestion for avoiding an unwanted pregnancy.”

Wednesday afternoon both Planned Parenthood Action Fund (the self-described political arm of Planned Parenthood) and contraception activist Sandra Fluke tweeted in support of Cupp.

“Sexist attacks made against women like @SandraFluke and recently @secupp are disgraceful and cannot be tolerated Explicit Image Of S.E. Cupp (It's A Fake) In Hustler Magazine Sparks Outrage | Mediaite PPAF tweeted.

“.@HustlerMag depiction of @secupp so offensive. Sexualization of female public figs attempts 2 limit them 2 being sexual figures & not more,” Fluke added.

Cupp responded to the image on Glenn Beck's radio program Wednesday.

“It's uncomfortable. I'm not in this business to talk about myself, I'm not in this business to talk about my character,” she said in part. “I'd much rather be talking about Obama's economic record or his foreign policy than myself and having to defend myself against [this photo].”

Hustler did not respond to The Daily Caller's request for comment.

Go ahead, you tolerate this disgraceful attack on a fine, intelligent, beautiful woman. I won't.

Update: Video added. You tell me what she did to deserve such degradation and then you can help her explain it to her children some day.

Almost forgot this one, "Donna Dewitt, the president of the South Carolina AFL-CIO, takes a baseball bat to a piñata featuring" Gov. Nikki Haley's face.

Yep, those darn Republicans sure are waging a war on women.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yep, those darn Republicans sure are waging a war on women.

Yep, that is indeed what the thread is about.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Yep, that is indeed what the thread is about.

Apparently you can't perceive reality or sarcasm.

Live Action visited some more abortion clinics and not only captured them encouraging gender-selective abortions, but how to defraud Medicaid in the process.

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“In this video, what is astounding is that Rebecca, the Planned Parenthood counselor, starts arranging with the actor about how to get a late-term abortion,” Rose said. “To wait until her pregnancy is so developed that — and using Medicaid for this, using the state to pay for the ultrasound to determine the gender, and then to do a late term abortion if it was a little girl.”

First accepting funds for race-based abortions, now PP encouraging late term abortions of girls while defrauding Medicaid. There's your war on women.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Donna Dewitt, the president of the South Carolina AFL-CIO, takes a baseball bat to a piñata featuring Gov. Nikki Haley's face.

Hello again, Steve:

We're not in the same ballpark when you equate a political stunt to passing LAWS that restrict women's rights... YOUR balance is about as balanced as FOX News is balanced.. Which is to say, not really balanced at all.

Is your video done by the same guy who dressed up as a pimp?? The one who's been discredited??

excon

So you're saying that gender bias against girls - encouraged by the left's favorite group, PP - isn't a problem in the U.S. and that targeting females for abortion isn't a war on women? Dude, if killing off the gender isn't a war on women I can't imagine what else could possible qualify. Kind of stupid to worry about women's rights if you're systematically eliminating them.