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  • Apr 17, 2012, 04:07 AM
    tomder55
    That was then... this is now.. The pay for play culture in the Obama White House.
    Flashback to President Obama's opening salvo in the 2008 campaign
    The "cynics, the lobbyists, the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play."....
    "They write the checks and you get stuck with the bills, they get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page. "

    Barack Obama Speech - Obama Speech on Day He Declared His Run For President

    That was then... this is now :

    The NY Slimes have put in their journalist caps to expose the pay for play ;or as former Rep (Dem RI) Patrick Kennedy says ;the quid pro quo.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/us...ted=all?src=tp

    Quote:

    Most donors, including Dr. Mohlenbrock and Mr. Kiani, declined to talk about their motivations for giving. But Patrick J. Kennedy, the former representative from Rhode Island, who donated $35,800 to an Obama re-election fund last fall while seeking administration support for a nonprofit venture, said contributions were simply a part of “how this business works.”

    If you want to call it ‘quid pro quo,’ fine,” he said. “At the end of the day, I want to make sure I do my part.”
    Mr. Kennedy visited the White House several times to win support for One Mind for Research, his initiative to help develop new treatments for brain disorders. While his family name and connections are clearly influential, he said, he knows White House officials are busy. And as a former chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, he said he was keenly aware of the political realities they face.

    “I know that they look at the reports,” he said, referring to records of campaign donations. “They’re my friends anyway, but it won’t hurt when I ask them for a favor if they don’t see me as a slouch.”
    As you recall ;Obama secured the nomination when the Kennedy clan threw their weight behind his candidacy. I wonder if that was part of the quid pro quo ?

    Kennedy is small potatoes compared to other donors ;and ,as a result ,their access was greater.
    Quote:

    More broadly, the review showed that those who donated the most to Mr. Obama and the Democratic Party since he started running for president were far more likely to visit the White House than others. Among donors who gave $30,000 or less, about 20 percent visited the White House, according to a New York Times analysis that matched names in the visitor logs with donor records. But among those who donated $100,000 or more, the figure rises to about 75 percent. Approximately two-thirds of the president’s top fund-raisers in the 2008 campaign visited the White House at least once, some of them numerous times.
    The best example of this is perhaps that of George Kaiser ;a multi-millionaire billionaire bundler for the Obama 2008 campaign. He is also known for the failed company call Solyndra.
    Quote:

    Kaiser, an Oklahoma billionaire, was a "bundler" for Obama's 2008 campaign, raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the president, records show. He also was a frequent White House visitor in 2009 and 2010. White House officials for months have denied that Kaiser talked about Solyndra during those visits.
    George Kaiser, Obama Donor, Discussed Solyndra Loan With White House, Emails Show
    But the logs tell a different tale .Between March 12, 2009, and April 14, 2011, Solyndra officials and visitors made at least 20 trips to the White House.
    Kaiser made three visits to the White House on March 12, 2009, and one on March 13.On March 20,2009 the Obots awarded Solyndra the 1st "green energy "loan despite repeated warnings about the company's instability . Solyndra went bankrupt in 2011, putting 1,000 employees out of work. It had received more than $500 million in fast-tracked federal loan guarantees under a new section of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as 'the stimulus'at the time of it's failure .

    During a debate in 2008 ,President Obama said that “We’re Going To Have To Change The Culture In Washington So That Lobbyists And Special Interests Aren’t Driving The Process.”

    But that was then... this is now.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 04:12 AM
    NeedKarma
    And this is different than any other president in what way?
  • Apr 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
    tomder55
    That's always the left's defense when they get caught as hypocrites. I expect the President will go on the campaign trail with similar lines of BS ,about the culture of corruption.
    Back in 2008 he was the blank slate that everyone projected their desires on . Well now we see that he is just more of the same.The veneer has been stripped away .

    What will he campaign on ? It isn't going to be the hopey changy stuff ;and he can't run as the reformer... that has been discredited.. he can't say 'stay the course 'when the course he has pursued is a path to failure.
    I get it.. The President's campaign slogan... "It's still Bush's fault" .
  • Apr 17, 2012, 05:06 AM
    NeedKarma
    Well no, I'm just pointing out that all presidents and candidates make promises and then brush most of them aside to cater to the special interests that fund them. It's not a partisan issue. Your system is broken and caters to the rich and the corporations.

    Here, look, Romney is giving people with lotsa money better access to his message. All you ned is to pony up $50K.

    It's not going to change. You're not going to change it. Sorry.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 05:30 AM
    tomder55
    All I have to say about that is Engineering and Technical Services (ETS) . Worry about your own .
  • Apr 17, 2012, 05:43 AM
    paraclete
    Yes Tom that's what you guys say when you are caught with your pants down, look the other way chaps
  • Apr 17, 2012, 06:21 AM
    tomder55
    JudgeTony Fitzgerald tells me about the amoral political culture in your country that has been a continuous problem for years. . If you look at the op I am the one pointing out the corruption and it's NK that said look the other way.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 06:30 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Well no, I'm just pointing out that all presidents and candidates make promises and then brush most of them aside to cater to the special interests that fund them. It's not a partisan issue. Your system is broken and caters to the rich and the corporations.

    Here, look, Romney is giving people with lotsa money better access to his message. All you ned is to pony up $50K.

    It's not going to change. You're not going to change it. Sorry.

    Besides a retreat you are only making an assumption that there will be additional benefits at the expense of the public. The OP documents where specific favors of giving taxpayer money resulted from the access.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 06:32 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If you look at the op I am the one pointing out the corruption and it's NK that said look the other way.

    No, I didn't say that at all, I said it's endemic to all your politicians and not fixable. Please, please, stop putting words in my mouth, it's really annoying.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:12 AM
    tomder55
    Feel free to not reply to my posts.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Someone has to correct misinformation. :-) I'm sorry you don't like it.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    Yes, in addition to his unprecedented transparency he certainly changed the culture in Washington.

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...0416_wblog.jpg
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:32 AM
    tomder55
    Lets see ; revelations of pay to play ; Secret Service that can't screen guests to official White House functions ;and go partying with prostitutes when they are doing advance work for a Presidential trip. GSA run like it's Animal House ;one failed domestic and economic agenda after another ; lead from behind foreign policy . He certainly has a record of achievement .
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:50 AM
    paraclete
    Yes he has achieved a great deal, He has got you out of Iraq and may get you out of Afghanistan even if it is a retreat through Kyrgyzstan. I think you should resign yourselves to not exiting through Pakistan due to his and your lack of respect for national soveriegnty. He has stirred up a hornet's nest in Iran and NK. On the home front he has polarised the nation.

    I hear we will be leaving Afghanistan early. I'm sure we owe that to that same lack of respect, one in all in
  • Apr 17, 2012, 07:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    But if he finds out there really was misconduct with his Secret Service he's going to get really angry.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 08:02 AM
    tomder55
    For the record Clete ;in Iraq he retreated in the face of victory. I don't mind an exit from Afghanistan... or what he called in 2008 "the good war" . Since he has no plan for victory there then all he does is waste NATO lives and treasure.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 08:13 AM
    paraclete
    But Tom we are winning the war, we can go home early. Think positive man. What happens when we leave well we can't control everything. There is no victory in terms of the Taliban laying down their arms, they are not going to do that. If you want to conquer Afghanistan you need a million men and be willing to conquer Pakistan too. Not going to happen. As soon as you leave Afghanistan, Iran will also quieten down
  • Apr 17, 2012, 08:17 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    as soon as you leave Afghanistan, Iran will also quieten down
    They have been at war with the US since 1979 . No they won't quite down .They will try to assert hegemony in the region.

    But this posting is not about the Obama record of failure in foreign affairs.. it's about the Obama corruption in the face of his rhetoric.
  • Apr 17, 2012, 08:18 AM
    speechlesstx
    Leads from behind, snatches defeat from the jaws of victory and provides cures in search of a disease. Obama is the anti-hero!
  • Apr 17, 2012, 10:15 PM
    talaniman
    You go righties, sounds good on paper so pile on while you can, but its clear that he has an edge with most of the voters who watch with amusement as you guys try to tear him down while he just keeps going, and going, right to re election.

    Now that the right wing challenger has come through, and the circus is over(?), we can see how you guys intend on taking the world over.

    Good Luck, you will need it, and some votes. I won't bother disputing your FACTS and let them fall on their own, and they will. I will betcha $10,000, hardey-har-har!!
  • Apr 18, 2012, 01:48 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    No they won't quite down .They will try to assert hegemony in the region.

    .

    Have you asked yourselves why they are "at war" with you? This is another cold war or a continuation of the old one. Did they march into Iraq? They had much more chance of succeeding there. Your arguments reek of paranoia
  • Apr 18, 2012, 02:13 AM
    tomder55
    Your argument reeks of blame America 1st... no surprise there .
  • Apr 18, 2012, 05:00 AM
    paraclete
    Now Tom look at history, what america has done to Iran warrants their undying enmity. You interferred with their internal politics, put despots on the peacock throne, incited Iraq to attack them and funded the war. You are the aggressor here, and you are crapping your pants should they get nuclear weapons because they don't understand MAD. I remember a certain byblical prophesy about burning oil fields and I have often wondered what the circumstances would be that would make it happen

    You expect everyone should forget, it was just those other guys, not me. It doesn't wash. Your country is nasty war monger Tom, it changed after WWII, getting the bomb turned you into the bully on the block
  • Apr 18, 2012, 05:30 AM
    tomder55
    Your history reminds me of a Sat morning cartoon they'd air here... 'fractured fairey tales' .

    The US did absolutely nothing to incite the Iran Iraq war. Their border disputes arounf the Shatt al-Arab went back for ages(at least since the breakup of the Ottomans ). Saddam saw the Iranians as vulnerable because of the revolution and he made his move. It was no different than his aggression against Kuwait. But don't forget that Khomeini was openly advocating a Shia revolution in Iraq too. None of that had anything to do with us.

    You think they are simply sitting in their territory minding their own business ? BS ! They have their tentacles in every nation in the ME . It is they that sent their IRGC into Iraq in the last decade to kill US troops . It is they that had the places that created and constructed the IEDs that killed the most US troops . It was Iranians that was indirectly responsible for the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut and the Khobar tower bombing. They or their proxies have been at war with the US since 1979 .
    They are a terrorist nation who is on the verge of having nukes. You see bibilical prophesy and they see the return of the Mahdi . So yes ,we cannot assume they will act rationally with that weapon. The world agrees . You are the lone voice that says it's acceptable.

    Now do me a favor.. this OP is not about Iran.. Start one of your own if you want to continue,
  • Apr 18, 2012, 09:09 AM
    talaniman
    Leave it to the righties to blame the left for their misery. You guys would rather point out isolated pieces than recognize your own part in things not working better.

    Like most Americans wanting the rich to pay more so we can have an infrastructure improvement program that creates jobs, for a lot of people in 50 states. Or taking the poor and middle class to pay for rich guys who got bailed out already by those they now thumb their nose at.
  • Apr 18, 2012, 10:02 AM
    tomder55
    Doesn't look isolated to me . Looks like business as usual from the most transparent adm ever. The Dems spew demagogery about blaming the rich at the same time they've failed to pass a budget out of the Dem controlled Senate for the 3rd straight year. The President commissioned a so called bipartisan commission on the budget ;and then shelved the committee recommendations . Why ? Because they didn't recommend the "soak the rich " one trick pony ?
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:17 AM
    talaniman
    No republican won't go along with the common sense approach in Bowles/Simpson. Wonder why that is? That's right, it goes against privatizing everything, and shifting cost to old people, poor people, and everyone but the rich.

    The right wing idea of fair is everybody but them should profit.
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:33 AM
    tomder55
    The President should've put it on the table. How do you know what the Republicans would've done ? You don't .
    But your comments are more diversions . I don't know why you won't address the culture of corruption in the Obama White House. Well ,yes I do know why... and it isn't because 'all politicians do it '.
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:38 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't know why you won't address the culture of corruption in the Obama White House.

    Another diversion and red herring.
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:49 AM
    tomder55
    Not at all . It is the subject of the OP... which I say again... you are free to move on and not address .
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:51 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Another diversion and red herring.

    Um, the red herring came from Tal in diverting from the subject of this thread. You're still batting .000 as "corrector."
  • Apr 18, 2012, 11:58 AM
    NeedKarma
    You're batting .000 concerning posting factually correct information.
  • Apr 18, 2012, 07:16 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The President should've put it on the table. How do you know what the Republicans would've done ? You don't .
    But your comments are more diversions . I don't know why you won't address the culture of corruption in the Obama White House. Well ,yes I do know why....and it aint because 'all politicians do it '.

    I know what the repubs DID, what they have done the last 4 years, they voted against it, and ignored it, and blamed the president for not pushing it, but he has in separate parts, and they were voted down, or filibustered. Show me what he hasn't proposed by Bowles/Simpson!

    Why I haven't addressed the culture of corruption? I have, but you haven't paid attention very well to be honest.
  • Apr 19, 2012, 02:20 AM
    tomder55
    Refresh my memory.. did you say "Bush did it " ?
  • Apr 19, 2012, 04:02 AM
    paraclete
    Corruption in high or low places and this is somehow an important issue as if... this should not happen and yet it does. How can you debate this... the whole nation is awash with sexuality and yet you want to discuss the moral failure of a few
  • Apr 19, 2012, 04:16 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    yet you want to discuss the moral failure of a few

    Always only liberals; a blind eye is turned to the others.
  • Apr 19, 2012, 06:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You're batting .000 concerning posting factually correct information.

    Feel free Mr. Guardian of Truth to point out all - any - of my factually incorrect information.
  • Apr 19, 2012, 06:20 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Always only liberals; a blind eye is turned to the others.

    That's a flat-out lie.
  • Apr 19, 2012, 06:25 AM
    tomder55
    And for 8 years your side was very willing to point out when there was corruption . Don't believe me ? Check out how many times Tom DeLay or Jack Abramoff was discussed on these pages .
  • Apr 19, 2012, 06:42 AM
    talaniman
    I think Tom is referrring to Solydra, not the current Secret Service scandal. Solyndra was the green jobs tauted by the president and everyone else as a viable green jobs facillity, for making solar panels, that went bankrupt, because of Chinese price fixing. This project was one of 200 to receive federal loans, under the Bush administrations Energy department.

    Bankrupt Solyndra shells out $368,500 in bonuses Don Surber

    White House-Backed Solar Solyndra Company Collapses - ABC News

    Quote:

    Officials at the Department of Energy told ABC News and iWatch News that it used objective factors in selecting Solyndra, and Wednesday the department released a statement on its website blaming changing economics in the industry -- including a major push by Chinese firms to drive down solar panel prices -- for the company's collapse.

    "The changing economics have affected a number of solar manufacturers in recent months, including unfortunately, Solyndra, a once very promising company that has increased its sales revenue by 2,000 percent in three years and sold more than 1,000 installations in 20 countries," the Energy web post states. "As a result, Solyndra now plans to suspend its manufacturing operations and file for bankruptcy protection."
    This company was profitable in 2005-2009, and was operating until 2011. As I said, one of many projects the DOE works with.

    https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=45

    Dis I sum that up well?

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