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  • Nov 18, 2011, 10:46 AM
    speechlesstx
    Nanny state update - literally
    Nancy Pelosi, who I hoped had taken an irreversible plunge into irrelevance, wants desperately to regain her old spot as Speaker (God help us all) and get busy “doing for child care what we did for health-care reform”.

    Yippee, federal nannies for everyone. There goes the free world.
  • Nov 18, 2011, 11:12 AM
    excon
    Hello Steve:

    So, you APPROVE of the present Speaker saying he's feeding your children HEALTHY foods, when what he did was to start calling pizza and french fries vegetables...

    He did this at the behest of the pizza and potato industry - not at the behest of moms... He SHOULD cry about this, and you should be ashamed.

    excon
  • Nov 18, 2011, 11:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Tell the truth about it, ex.

    "Under the current school lunch rules, the two tablespoons of tomato sauce on a slice of pizza qualifies as a serving of vegetables. And a Congressional spending bill released this week ensures that it stays that way.

    "We are not saying pizza is a vegetable," said Corey Henry, the spokesman for the American Frozen Food Institute, which supports the bill. "What we are saying is if you serve a slice of pizza with 2 tablespoons of vegetable paste, it can be an important way to deliver a number of vegetables that children will actually consume.""

    Of course you know many school districts opposed the new FDA rules, too don't you?

    But yes, I am entirely opposed to the federal government mandating what kids eat. If I want my kid to eat pizza, he eats pizza.
  • Nov 21, 2011, 09:24 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah I see those kids on the school lunch line craving that serving of mixed veggies from a can. At least they eat the pizza sauce.
  • Nov 21, 2011, 10:38 AM
    speechlesstx
    Something you can't do these days - I went home for lunch in elementary school. In Jr High we ate at the snack truck that parked across the street. In high school we ate anywhere BUT school most of the time and when I did, the only edible thing they served was a cinnamon roll. It took me 33 more years to get to a 34 inch waist.
  • Nov 22, 2011, 08:01 AM
    speechlesstx
    No, Congress did not declare pizza a vegetable
  • Nov 22, 2011, 02:12 PM
    talaniman
    You guys obviously don't have a lot of single working females with kids around you, or any old people who have nothing but the nanny state to depend on but family, and benefits.

    Sorry guys, but what Nancy is talking about is a lot more important than what Bonehead is talking about. You hit a nerve when you don't care about women, and children, and old folks, or what they need. Nanny state my a$$!! You want the truth, this congress has done nothing for people who have nothing, but criticize them from wanting something, as inaduquate as that is.

    Go ahead, keep taking from the weak and vulnerable, and working poor. Wake up, your job creators ain't feeding nobody but themselves, but you want to fight over a slice of pizza??

    Easy to see I would take Pelosi, over Bonehead any day.
  • Nov 22, 2011, 03:27 PM
    speechlesstx
    What should be easy to see - since I know I've said so many times - is I'm all for a safety net for those who need it. What I'm not for is the ever-expanding nanny state envisioned by people like Pelosi, Obama and the occupiers.
  • Nov 22, 2011, 05:05 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    your job creators ain't feeding nobody but themselves
    91% of American workers are employed by the private sector.Government accounts for 8% of all US workers.
  • Nov 22, 2011, 08:03 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    What should be easy to see - since I know I've said so many times - is I'm all for a safety net for those who need it. What I'm not for is the ever-expanding nanny state envisioned by people like Pelosi, Obama and the occupiers.

    Then I highly suggest you get the facts of what they are doing, and for who before you say you are against it.
  • Nov 22, 2011, 08:08 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    91% of American workers are employed by the private sector.Government accounts for 8% of all US workers.

    Then where the hell do all those unemployed and poor people come from? Oh that's right, those lazy b@stards volunteered, because they are required to bath, or some similar nonsense.

    Send 'em one of those philosophy books and that will show them the error of their ways.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 07:34 AM
    speechlesstx
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    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Then I highly suggest you get the facts of what they are doing, and for who before you say you are against it.

    I try, but OWS is too incoherent to understand. I finally found their "one demand", which boils down to "world revolution." :
  • Nov 23, 2011, 09:35 AM
    talaniman
    The message I get just from what you posted is they are not happy with a lot of things they see going on and want them changed, much like many of us.

    I bet you see more than a few things you agree with also. But knowing you as I think I do, you have a problem with the messenger, and their methods. I get that to.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 10:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Yep, I've already made it clear that I have no respect for people who have no respect for the rights and property of others, especially those for who "revolution" means "a communist effort to re-imagine and regroup for revolution in the U.S."
  • Nov 23, 2011, 10:26 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Here's the deal.. You get hysterical over the WRONG things.. THREE New Black Panthers sent your wing into a tizzy. Now, there's THREE, count 'em THREE communists talking about revolution... The number THREE comes from your article.

    excon
  • Nov 23, 2011, 10:28 AM
    talaniman
    Whenever you have social unrest for policies that people are against, there will always be push back, and when you get beyond labels, and rhetoric, and ideology, you are left with CAUSE, and EFFECT. Revolution has been going on since the original revolution. Seems that's the only thing that makes changes happen, is when enough b!tchin' is done.

    While OWS doesn't have the age, experience, or where with all YET, that others have had, or as we say a clear articulation of demands or direction, THEY WILL, as they grow, and overcome obstacles like the other more known movements in this countries past. Sure coalitions have many diverse factions in them, but given the fact that many people are not happy with present circumstances, both RIGHT, and LEFT, and Between, something like this was bound to happen.

    People want change for the better, even if they are unclear as to what that looks like. We can't ignore that sentiment, because a few in the crowd are ones we don't particularly like.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 11:44 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Here's the deal.. You get hysterical over the WRONG things.. THREE New Black Panthers sent your wing into a tizzy. Now, there's THREE, count 'em THREE communists talking about revolution... The number THREE comes from your article.

    excon

    Um, did you miss where the occupiers motto is "world revolution"? Dude, these people want an end to capitalism, to bring down the system, which leaves what?
  • Nov 23, 2011, 11:46 AM
    talaniman
    No they don't Steve. A few maybe, but as a whole they want FAIR.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 11:49 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Um, did you miss where the occupiers motto is "world revolution"? Dude, these people want an end to capitalism, to bring down the system,

    Hello again, Steve:

    Here's their website. That motto seems to be missing... You'd think it would be there...

    But, I agree with you. These people are set on world revolution - all three of 'em.. snicker, snicker...

    excon
  • Nov 23, 2011, 11:57 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Here's their website. That motto seems to be missing... You'd think it would be there...

    I don't know who the Occupy Party is, but Occupy Wall Street who I was referring to does as I posted earlier.

    Quote:

    But, I agree with you. These people are set on world revolution - all three of 'em.. snicker, snicker...
    That's just one of the groups influencing and financing the movement. You'll see.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 12:03 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    No they don't Steve. A few maybe, but as a whole they want FAIR.

    They don't want fair, Tal. It isn't fair to demand that others take care of them. It isn't fair to disrupt the lives and livelihoods of others. It isn't fair to demand their student loans be forgiven. Take care of your own self and get out of the way just as I do, that's fair.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 12:09 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's just one of the groups influencing and financing the movement. You'll see.

    Hello again, Steve:

    So that cartoon is their official position?? See, here's the problem again, you don't really want to SEE what they're about, so you just call them names, and get all hysterical.

    Now, I don't doubt that there are fringe groups that want to latch on... But, fringe ISN'T what the BULK of the movement is about. You'll see. Like you kept saying about the Tea Party, OWS is made up of ordinary Americans - young and old, working and not. It's a POPULAR uprising.. Just like the Koch brothers didn't start the Tea Party, the Communists, or George Soros, or NAMBLA didn't start OWS.

    excon
  • Nov 23, 2011, 12:32 PM
    speechlesstx
    Names? I just call them the occupiers, what should I call them, an "infestation"?

    Zombie, who always gets the pictures the media won't, posted a pic of the Occupy Oakland workshop schedule:

    http://zombietime.com/occupy_oakland...1/IMG_3912.JPG

    Gee, Marxism 101, Anarchism & Anti-colonialism, and I see at least 4 anti-capitalism workshops. Sounds like fun.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 12:34 PM
    tomder55
    Wait until their "general assemblies " goes national.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 12:44 PM
    talaniman
    So I should see the Tea party through Rush, and Grover, And Army, and that Cheney kid?
  • Nov 23, 2011, 01:48 PM
    speechlesstx
    Well apparently I'm supposed to see the occupiers through you, Tal.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 02:04 PM
    speechlesstx
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    P.S. I noticed this ad at the bottom of the page. Now there's a bailout I can endorse:
  • Nov 23, 2011, 02:09 PM
    talaniman
    Naw, just stating my case.
  • Nov 23, 2011, 03:22 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Gee, Marxism 101, Anarchism & Anti-colonialism, and I see at least 4 anti-capitalism workshops. Sounds like fun.

    Hello again, Mr. Hysterical:

    I see that you're alarmed... But, you should listen to your friend, excon... Communism is dead, and there's only a few dingbats who think it isn't. The dingbats found an audience. They're STILL dingbats...

    You're hearing this from a far left guy. Obama is MUCH too conservative for me. Everybody on your side calls him a communist and a Marxist. What would that make me? I'm not a communist. I'm not a socialist.. In fact, I don't know ANY commies in the Democratic party. That would be NONE.

    So, I know if you search the right wing websites, you'll find other hysterical people who'll agree with you and call names, and show some bulletin boards. They'll show somebody taking a crap, and otherwise give you something to be scared of... But, there isn't any bogymen.. Really, there isn't..

    excon
  • Nov 23, 2011, 03:39 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Mr. Hysterical:

    LOL, if were hysterical I'D TYPE IN ALL CAPS AND THROW IN LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!! I get HYSTERICAL when my Big Bad Donuts lose to a 1-8 team.

    Quote:

    They're STILL dingbats...
    At least we agree that far. You do know that I'm not into conspiracies and the main reason I post things like the Occupy Oakland workshop schedule is to tweak lefties don't you? They won't listen to reason so why not give 'em a good tweak now and then?
  • Nov 30, 2011, 09:09 AM
    speechlesstx
    The nanny state lost one - or at least had a temporary setback. McDonald's seems to have outsmarted San Francisco on their Happy Meal ban.

    Quote:

    On Thursday, Dec. 1, the city's de facto ban of the Happy Meal commences. San Francisco has accomplished what the Hamburglar could not. Or has it?.

    It turns out San Francisco has not entirely vanquished the Happy Meal as we know it. Come Dec. 1, you can still buy the Happy Meal. But it doesn't come with a toy. For that, you'll have to pay an extra 10 cents.

    Huh. That hardly seems to have solved the problem (though adults and children purchasing unhealthy food can at least take solace that the 10 cents is going to Ronald McDonald House charities). But it actually gets worse from here. Thanks to Supervisor Eric Mar's much-ballyhooed new law, parents browbeaten into supplementing their preteens' Happy Meal toy collections are now mandated to buy the Happy Meals.

    Today and tomorrow mark the last days that put-upon parents can satiate their youngsters by simply throwing down $2.18 for a Happy Meal toy. But, thanks to the new law taking effect on Dec. 1, this is no longer permitted. Now, in order to have the privilege of making a 10-cent charitable donation in exchange for the toy, you must buy the Happy Meal. Hilariously, it appears Mar et al. in their desire to keep McDonald's from selling grease and fat to kids with the lure of a toy have now actually incentivized the purchase of that grease and fat -- when, beforehand, a put-upon parent could get out cheaper and healthier with just the damn toy.
    Next up, how to outsmart them on the circumcision ban?
  • Nov 30, 2011, 09:22 AM
    tomder55
    Hope they lowered the price of the Happy Meal by 10 cents .
  • Nov 30, 2011, 09:45 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Hope they lowered the price of the Happy Meal by 10 cents .

    LOL, and as one commenter said, rename it the "Liberty Meal."
  • Nov 30, 2011, 10:25 AM
    talaniman
    10 cents today, a dollar tomorrow.
  • Nov 30, 2011, 11:22 AM
    tomder55
    "Let them eat [sculptured chocolate] cake"
    First lady Michelle Obama enjoyed a lovely evening at Co Co. Sala on F Street on Monday night. A Yeas & Nays source tells us she dined with seven friends for dinner and, of course, dessert — which featured an edible chocolate sculpture and house-made artisanal chocolates by Chef Santosh Tiptur. We're told Obama's favorite savory was Chef Tiptur's Moroccan Swordfish Sliders with chermoula marinade, fennel salad, aged pecorino and hazelnut coffee dressing. The restaurant owners later posted to Twitter about their excitement of having her as a guest. “It was such an honor to have first lady Michelle Obama dine at Co Co. Sala last night. What an exciting and humbling experience

    Michelle Obama Eats Swordfish Sliders and Cheroula Marinade Getting Off Target For Campaign Re-Election Moody Eye View

    She then went to deliver the keynote address at an obesity summit .

    Michelle Obama keynoting obesity summit - Lynn Sweet
  • Nov 30, 2011, 11:39 AM
    speechlesstx
    Did she take a doggie bag to Zucotti Park?
  • Nov 30, 2011, 03:37 PM
    tomder55
    Nah... doggie bags for the Zuccotti crowd ? That's beneath them... They only east fresh donated food.
  • Dec 8, 2011, 09:50 AM
    speechlesstx
    Speaking of doggie bags and the nanny state, Clarence Otis Jr. a former Obama donor and the CEO of Darden Restaurants which include Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse, has joined the chorus saying regulations are preventing job creation.

    Quote:

    What's stopping job creation? Too much regulation

    "Businesses adding jobs" is a headline every elected official loves to read. Sadly, it's one that's getting harder and harder to find because of a policy and regulatory landscape that makes it increasingly difficult for businesses to see why and where creating new jobs makes sense.

    That's especially true for me and my colleagues in the restaurant industry, who find ourselves facing a plate piled high with more and more federal, state and local regulations.

    Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner.

    This reality is the result of the best intentions. Policymakers working in silos at every level are pushing through regulations that on their face seem to address admirable goals -- that are each directed at outcomes that seem desirable.

    The cumulative effect of these regulations, however, is significant damage to the hard-working Americans who are the intended beneficiaries.
    OK ex, all yours.
  • Dec 8, 2011, 10:37 AM
    tomder55
    Ex is a business owner.. what would Clarence Otis Jr know ?
  • Dec 8, 2011, 12:45 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ex is a business owner ..what would Clarence Otis Jr know ?

    Hello wrong wingers:

    Let me see.. Maybe Dardin is a second tier restaurant chain, because when you're in a Red Lobster, you can't get a lousy napkin. They don't have enough help..

    ME?? When I have a customer who isn't getting served, I don't check with my list of regulations. I check with my list of candidates..

    But then again, I don't run a second tier operation.

    excon

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