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  • Aug 12, 2011, 07:14 AM
    excon
    Who owns the downgrade?
    Hello:

    Raising the debt ceiling is a utilitarian task that really shouldn't be subject to a vote, but it is. It's like taking out the trash. You either NEED to take out the trash, or you don't. It ISN'T subjective...

    So, that's where we found ourselves a few weeks ago. We had a pile of trash that needed to be taken out. Now, it wasn't anybody's particular trash. Everybody contributed to the pile. But, we have this stupid law that says we have to VOTE in order to take out the trash.. I don't know why.

    But, there were some who thought they could use the trash to leverage their position. They said they're NOT going to vote to take out the trash UNLESS we agreed to their terms.. Others said we can talk about it LATER because the trash is STINKING, and we got to get it out NOW...

    It appears, however, the hoarders in congress thought having trash around was just hunky dory. According to them, we NEVER need to take it out. So, they said they're NOT going to vote to discard it EVER - EVEN IF their demands were met...

    Now, the health department got to smelling the trash, and they warned us that they'll DOWNGRADE us, if we don't get rid of it pretty soon. The place was stinking pretty good about this time, and right before the Health Department was going to step in, we caved in to the demands of the interlopers, and voted to take the trash out.

    End of story - everybody lived happily ever after...

    Or not. The Health Department was all bummed out about the stink and got worried that the NEXT time, we actually might NOT take out the trash, so they DOWNGRADED us anyway. It cost us TRILLIONS.

    The interlopers are saying that we got DOWNGRADED because we let the trash build up. It had NOTHING to do with the vote to take it out, or not... Besides, it wasn't THEIR trash anyway. Others are saying we got DOWNGRADED because we were held hostage to the stink..

    Who is right?

    excon
  • Aug 12, 2011, 08:51 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Raising the debt ceiling is a utilitarian task that really shouldn't be subject to a vote, but it is. It's like taking out the trash. You either NEED to take out the trash, or you don't. It ISN'T subjective...
    Wrong... if you have too much on the credit card ;you stop making purchases or at least prioritize them. You don't say... well let's just take on more debt.

    There is nothing on the S&P downgrade that says they are happy that we increased the debt. They are concerned that our leaders can't agree on ways to reduced the debt.

    Further ;these ratings agencies are full of bull excrement . They let Fannie and Freddie ride over the cliff and never once gave so much as a warning .
  • Aug 12, 2011, 09:12 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Wrong ...if you have too much on the credit card ;you stop making purchases or at least prioritize them. You don't say .... well let's just take on more debt.

    Hello again, tom:

    Actually, it's YOU who are wrong...

    This had NOTHING to do with "making purchases", and EVERYTHING to do with PAYING for the purchases we ALREADY made.

    Plus, you DO know that Obama just can't make purchases, as you intimate... He has NO authority to do that. CONGRESS makes purchases - Obama writes the checks. If there are more purchases, it's YOUR Republican House of Representatives that's making them.

    Additionally, you appear to mirror the Tea Party when you suggest that, instead of raising the debt limit, Obama could just "prioritize" the payments...

    I suppose what you're saying is, it's not really default if we only STIFF the LEAST important of our creditors... That makes NO sense at all. In the real world, default is DEFAULT.

    excon
  • Aug 12, 2011, 10:15 AM
    tomder55

    Guess you didn't read the S&P decision then.

    Quote:

    We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the
    Prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related
    Fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the
    growth in public spending,
    especially on entitlements, or on reaching an
    Agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and
    Will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal
    consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week
    falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the
    general government debt burden by the middle of the decade.

    I say that if any of the plans the House passed were signed there would not have been a downgrade.
  • Aug 12, 2011, 03:27 PM
    paraclete
    Once again Ex you demonstrate your obscession with TRASH whether it is throwing trash in the air or taking out the trash of political policy makers you are right in there digging the dirt, oh sorry mixed methphor there. It is no good lamenting after the event the actions of a few would be presidential candidates for whom personal standing is more important than country, just send them the message at the appropriate time. From their performances in recent showings they are not serious candidates anyway. The S&P downgrading was a moment of reality in a storm of rhetoric, it is a shame that the ripple affected more than the pockets of some who would not pay more tax
  • Aug 12, 2011, 03:42 PM
    tomder55

    If I wanted to pay more tax I'd live in a land Red Julia presides over .
  • Aug 12, 2011, 04:29 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If I wanted to pay more tax I'd live in a land Red Julia presides over .

    Indeed Tom your contributions would be welcomed, but remember the taxes are paid by those who can afford it in contrast to the place where you live, so let's examine economic policy here, there must be some falacies in it somewhere;

    Your government taxes less, provides less and has greater unemployment, lower interest rates and lacklustre performance. Our government taxes some more, provides much, has full employment once primitives are removed from statistics, higher interest rates and strong fiscal performance (some would dispute this). We pay our workers more, find work for them digging holes of one sort or another, and don't winge too much about helping the less fortunate. Something must be working.

    Strangely they seem to be of similar political persuasion, perhaps that is an illusion.

    Could I suggest you reverse your disastrous policies and give utopia a try. By the way we don't suggest for an instant that the little red fox has anything to do with anything other than taxing corporations and polluters. Surely you are for that?
  • Aug 12, 2011, 04:39 PM
    tomder55

    you are a net exporter of energy resources(for now until your government regulates that to death too).Trust me... what plagues my country has been installed in your government .Electing a Gillard government guaranteed that you're nation is not immune to the economic malaise.

    I'm content with less tax=less services. I ask not what my country can do for me.
  • Aug 12, 2011, 04:46 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you are a net exporter of energy resources(for now until your government regulates that to death too).Trust me... what plagues my country has been installed in your government .Electing a Gillard government guaranteed that you're nation is not immune to the economic malaise.

    I'm content with less tax=less services. I ask not what my country can do for me.

    Two things Tom;

    We did not elect the Gillard government actually she presided over the greatest demise in support any political party has known. No, the Greens and independents have shown their true red colouring and allowed her to run a puppet government. If there is an economic malaise we know who caused it

    You ask not what you country can do for you and... it does nothing, so therefore you are left with no alternative you must make the ultimate sacrifice
  • Aug 12, 2011, 04:52 PM
    talaniman

    Quote:

    growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an
    agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and
    will remain a contentious and fitful process

    Who owns the downgrade?

    The hit squad for the grand obstruction party, the TEA PARTY, who run the whole show from the low information, knee jerk right wing.

    Any body notice how the debate went? They asked the panel if they would turn down a 10 to one deal spending to revenues. They said YES! Case closed.

    "Resistance is futile" the Borg to the Federation/Star Trek The Next Generation.
  • Aug 12, 2011, 04:58 PM
    talaniman

    Quote:

    Our government taxes some more, provides much, has full employment once primitives are removed from statistics, higher interest rates and strong fiscal performance
    Take away our primitives, we look pretty good too, in the USA.
  • Aug 12, 2011, 05:06 PM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    or on reaching an
    Agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and
    Will remain a contentious and fitful process
    Correct... S&P didn't care how we reduced our debt .They just wanted the debt reduced substantially . Tell me how raising the ceiling helped that ?
  • Aug 12, 2011, 05:39 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Take away our primitives, we look pretty good too, in the USA.

    Which primitives are they tal? The tea party?
  • Aug 12, 2011, 05:44 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    . Tell me how raising the ceiling helped that ?

    Rhetorical questions Tom? We have too distinct arguments here Tom you know that. On the one hand we have some sort of primitive mechanism aimed at reducing government spending and on the other hand we have some sort of primitive mechanism aimed at reducing government spending or at least containing it to revenue raised. The first is pure B/S the second well we will give it the benefit of the doubt and suggest fiscal responsibility from an unbiased point of view
  • Aug 12, 2011, 07:39 PM
    tomder55

    The BS was the idea that increasing the debt to levels above 100% of GDP moves the country towards fiscal soundness .

    Obama has unleashed the dogs of SEC against S&P ,and I think he has a point.

    S&P gave it's clients a heads up about the downgrade before it happened. It could explain some of the market reaction before the announcement .

    Then Treasury informed S&P they had made a math error to the total of $2 trillion . But S&P had already told their clients of the pending move so they couldn't back out.

    But it needed a new rationale for making the move... so they concocted the garbage about acrimony in government (as if that's something new).Despite the fact that we are seemingly dogs at each other's throat , business always gets done ,and a deal was struck.
    It's hard to believe that France retains a triple A but the US is downgraded .

    I think that is what the Obots believe .Their investigation by the SEC indicates that . Their attacks on the TP then are even more cynical therefore .They know the truth behind the downgrade.

    S&P is full of it. As I already said;they let the economy drive off the cliff in 2008 with nary a warning. In fact ;most of their ratings during that period were for all intents fraudulent . So why do people take them seriously now when they know the whole rating business is a racket ?

    How do I know that the President is probably right ? Well when investors took flight they parked their money into Treasuries . How could that be if the US debt was as bad as S&P says it is ?
  • Aug 12, 2011, 07:57 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The BS was the idea that increasing the debt to levels above 100% of GDP moves the country towards fiscal soundness .

    Obama has unleashed the dogs of SEC against S&P ,and I think he has a point.

    S&P gave it's clients a heads up about the downgrade before it happened. It could explain some of the market reaction before the announcement .

    Then Treasury informed S&P they had made a math error to the total of $2 trillion . But S&P had already told their clients of the pending move so they couldn't back out.

    But it needed a new rationale for making the move ....so they concocted the garbage about acrimony in government (as if that's something new).Despite the fact that we are seemingly dogs at each other's throat , business always gets done ,and a deal was struck.
    It's hard to believe that France retains a triple A but the US is downgraded .

    I think that is what the Obots believe .Their investigation by the SEC indicates that . Their attacks on the TP then are even more cynical therefore .They know the truth behind the downgrade.

    S&P is full of it. As I already said;they let the economy drive off the cliff in 2008 with nary a warning. In fact ;most of their ratings during that period were for all intents fraudulent . So why do people take them seriously now when they know the whole rating business is a racket ?

    How do I know that the President is probably right ? Well when investors took flight they parked their money into Treasuries . How could that be if the US debt was as bad as S&P says it is ?

    Oh please now you are defending BO? You know Treasuries were the only game in town, you couldn't park your money in a bank. France might not keep its AAA long but they haven't been exhibiting unstable political tendencies. Would you be happy to hear that your government could make a 2 trillion dollar error and pass it off as mistake. B/S. Sure instills confidence. S&P don't exist to give economic warnings that is what your Treasury Dept is for but obviously they are doing a Bush and are asleep at the wheel
  • Aug 12, 2011, 08:02 PM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Oh please now you are defending BO?
    A stopped clock is right twice a day.
  • Aug 12, 2011, 08:48 PM
    paraclete
    So if I understand what you are saying BO is only right when he is standing still. How do you tell the difference?
  • Aug 12, 2011, 10:42 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    which primatives are they tal? the tea party?

    Probably the same as yours. Except they are ours. Actually, we all are primitives, it just that some won't admit it.

    And S&P is full of crap. Always have been. How much does Australia need Clete, we seem to be rather flush at the moment. What you thought we were broke? Naw, next time someone tells you that, just change the channels, that's what we do.

    Be aware though they run scary stuff on all the channels. Except Fox, that's where all the clown shows are.
  • Aug 13, 2011, 04:11 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Probably the same as yours. Except they are ours. Actually, we all are primitives, it just that some won't admit it.

    And S&P is full of crap. Always have been. How much does Australia need Clete, we seem to be rather flush at the moment. What you thought we were broke? Naw, next time someone tells you that, just change the channels, thats what we do.

    Be aware though they run scary stuff on all the channels. Except Fox, thats where all the clown shows are.

    No Tal our primitives exist at a much lower political level they are a bottomless pit..

    Tal we don't need anything, our opposition is searching for $70 billion to cut, perhaps if you contacted them... I have no idea what they will do with it if they find it, smaller government I expect or put it on a very fast train, or a very fast horse, on the other hand they could just throw out the new Great Big Tax On Everything Mark I (Mining Tax) and Mark II (Carbon Tax). Personally I'm hoping they throw out the little red fox.

    I'm glad we don't get Fox here we have enough of the red one we see every day
  • Aug 13, 2011, 05:53 AM
    tomder55

    A bit off topic... it looks like FOX DECIDED... they like Mitt.

    I base that on the comparative tone and content of their Qs to the
    Republican candidates during Thurs night's debate . You would think that Mitt was a contestant at a home run derby . One groved pitch after another .
  • Aug 13, 2011, 05:55 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    a bit off topic ....it looks like FOX DECIDED ....they like Mitt.

    Hello again, tom:

    So, fair and balanced went out the window... Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2011, 08:20 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Others are saying we got DOWNGRADED because we were held hostage to the stink..

    Who is right?

    Hello again,

    Didja SEE that every single one of the Republican candidates for president would REJECT a deal that included $1 in revenue for every $10 in CUTS??

    That's a deal TWO POINT FIVE times better than the grand bargain Boehner was about to accept... S&P said that if the grand bargain had been reached, the downgrade WOULDN'T have happened...

    Can you imagine how bad our credit rating will be if we elect ANY of these jokers?

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2011, 09:12 AM
    tomder55

    We already know the ruse... immediate tax increases for the promise of future spending reductions... the Wimpy plan

    http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/upl...0/01/wimpy.jpg
  • Aug 13, 2011, 09:24 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    we already know the ruse ....immediate tax increases for the promise of future spending reductions ......the Wimpy plan

    Hello again, tom:

    And, your side can be trusted to DO what it says, because you elected... let's see, that wonderful fiscal conservative, George W. Bush??

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha, IN SPADES!

    excon

    PS> Oh, that's right. He loved Jesus, so to hell with what he thinks about money..

    PPS> Perry loves Jesus MORE!
  • Aug 13, 2011, 10:30 AM
    talaniman

    The Tea Party owns the downgrade, and will take all the credit for destroy the government, the economy, and throwing grandma over the cliff, with the poor, the unemployed, and ship more jobs overseas.

    That's not me judging, that's what they said they would do. I believe them. Got to go listen to Slick Rick give his state of the union in South Carolina.
  • Aug 13, 2011, 03:39 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    PS> Oh, that's right. He loved Jesus, so to hell with what he thinks about money..

    Now I know why you object to Jesus ex he paid his taxes
  • Aug 13, 2011, 04:53 PM
    talaniman

    The last thing we need is a Republican governor who thinks McDonald's is a great job, and the rich should have all the money, and the poor should be even poorer, and the sick should just die, and be done with it.

    I don't even count the rest of the field as credible, especially the crazy looking one. (take your pick if you are confused).
  • Aug 14, 2011, 03:15 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    I don't even count the rest of the field as credible, especially the crazy looking one. (take your pick if you are confused).
    http://i.imgur.com/7JbIu.jpg


    BTW... the crazy one was the one who said it doesn't matter if Iran gets nukes . His groupies were out if force yesterday and gave him credibility he doesn't deserve.
  • Aug 14, 2011, 08:58 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Didja SEE that every single one of the Republican candidates for president would REJECT a deal that included $1 in revenue for every $10 in CUTS???

    Can you imagine how bad our credit rating will be if we elect ANY of these jokers?

    Hello again, tom:

    Point fingers all you like..

    However, after due consideration, the question Brett Baier of Fox News, asked of the Republican candidates is a GIFT to Obama that's going to KEEP on giving...

    Their extremism WILL be exploited, and in my view, successfully so... Obama is weak. He HAD nothing to run on. His base doesn't like him any more... He OWNS a 747, but is riding on a BUS, for crying out loud. It LOOKED like a Republican actually HAD a chance...

    Then the "GIFT" happened...

    Now, I'm not thrilled about a second term... But, as discussed previously, the Supreme Court appointments he's going to make will shape the 21st Century LONG after you, me and Obama are gone.

    excon
  • Aug 14, 2011, 09:11 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Now I know why you object to Jesus ex he paid his taxes

    Hello again, clete:

    I don't object to Jesus.. He was a NICE Jewish boy. My objection is about the organized way in which his teachings have been misconstrued, misapplied, and mishandled.

    excon
  • Aug 14, 2011, 01:42 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    after due consideration, the question Brett Baier of Fox News, asked of the Republican candidates is a GIFT to Obama that's going to KEEP on giving...

    A show of hands is silly and undignified and has no place in a serious debate. Fred Thompson refused to participate in that charade in 2008 and he was right to refuse.

    Obviously none of them were asked to explain their position . Best guess is that some of the "moderate " candidates raised them for political expediency (the equivilence of GHW Bush breaking his 'no new taxes' pledge ;and for the obvious... that you don't give away your best bargaining tool .

    When FOX hosts a Dem debate (hopefully)... or sits down with the President ;I hope Baier asks the Dems if THEY would accept a 10:1 cut /tax increase deal . I wonder how many hands would be raised ? I wonder if the President would go on record today and say he'd support such a deal.
    Let's deal in reality please !
  • Aug 14, 2011, 02:39 PM
    talaniman

    Reality?? A democratic debate on FOX!!
  • Aug 14, 2011, 04:55 PM
    tomder55

    Yeah ,gave the dems too much credit for guts... btw... 3 times in 2008 MSNBC hosted the Republicans. Not once did the Dems go on Fox.
  • Aug 14, 2011, 05:02 PM
    Wondergirl

    Did Fox invite the Dems and they said no?
  • Aug 14, 2011, 05:20 PM
    tomder55

    Yes Fox was turned down twice by the Dems... one in Nevada ;and one sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus... and lost out on a bid to ask questions during the VP debate.
  • Aug 15, 2011, 07:18 PM
    smoothy

    Obama owns it... he is now to always be known as President Downgrade.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 06:06 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Obama owns it.......

    Hello smoothy:

    Nahhh... Bush does, or maybe even Reagan. But, my saying it, doesn't make it so, any more than YOU saying it makes it so.

    If you want to offer an argument to support your claim, I'll argue with you...

    excon
  • Aug 16, 2011, 06:11 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Nahhh... Bush does, or maybe even Reagan. But, my saying it, doesn't make it so, any more than YOU saying it makes it so.

    If you want to offer an argument to support your claim, I'll argue with you...

    excon

    Obamas the one in office... he's been in office for over 2.5 years now... since he's the president... it makes it HIS downgrade.
  • Aug 16, 2011, 06:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    I just have to let the editors of National Review answer this question:

    Quote:

    Obama Makes History (of Our AAA Credit)

    The Obama administration and congressional Democrats are betting their political futures on the hope that the American electorate is ignorant and forgetful, and hence the memo has gone out to functionaries hither and yon, from David Axelrod to John Kerry: This is to be called the “tea-party downgrade.” That this is said with straight faces bespeaks either an unshakable contempt for the mind of the American voter or an as-yet unplumbed capacity for Democratic self-delusion.

    Let us revisit the facts. The original debt-ceiling deal put forward by the Democrats totaled $0.00 in debt reduction. This would have fallen approximately $4 trillion short of the $4 trillion in debt reduction the credit-rating agencies suggested would constitute a “credible” step toward maintaining our AAA rating and avoiding a downgrade. This $0.00 program was the so-called “clean” debt-ceiling bill — the one that contained not a farthing of debt reduction. Bad as it was, Republicans agreed to give Democrats a vote on it. Some 82 Democrats and every Republican voted against it, and for good reason: Doing nothing at all is hardly a “credible” program.

    The Democrats have suggested that Republicans’ refusal to accede to tax hikes is the main reason Standard & Poor’s felt it necessary to issue a downgrade, the first in American history, last Friday evening. In their assessment of Standard & Poor’s reasoning, the Democrats are acutely at odds with Standard & Poor’s. The credit-rating agency did not call for tax hikes in its assessment: “Standard & Poor’s takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.’s finances on a sustainable footing.” No position on tax hikes. But S&P, along with the other credit-rating agencies, has long taken a position on one aspect of our fiscal troubles: entitlement reform. From S&P again: “The plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.”

    As anybody who has looked at our long-term deficit projections knows, entitlement spending is the major driver of our future deficits. With unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare already running into trillions of dollars — many multiples of our GDP — it is implausible that taxes would be raised sufficiently to meet those obligations. Sustaining present spending levels over coming decades while maintaining current levels of debt would mean nearly doubling every federal tax: income, payroll, inheritance, excises, etc. To repeat: That’s to maintain current debt levels, not to reduce them. Even if the political will existed to inflict such tax increases on the American people, doing so would prove economically ruinous. Entitlement reform, then — not taxes, not President Obama’s fictitious “balanced approach” — is rightly understood, as S&P argues, as the “key to long-term fiscal sustainability.” Tea-party leaders, far from being a barrier to entitlement reform, have demanded it.

    The main obstacle to reform is the gentleman who lives at at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his legislative enablers down the street. Recall: Though Democrats controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives from 2008–10, and therefore could have forced through any budget they saw fit, they left the nation with no budget at all — much less a reformed or balanced one — never bothering to pass one in the year before they lost their House majority. Though congressional Democrats could not be bothered, President Obama did submit a 2011 budget. It contained $0.00 toward entitlement reform. He soon disavowed his own budget proposal. The president later gave a speech in which he said he’d like to see $4 trillion in deficit-reduction, but submitted no budget or other legislation to accompany that rhetoric. The head of the Congressional Budget Office, a Democrat, was moved to observe dryly that his agency “does not score speeches.”

    But the CBO does score legislative proposals, and gave good marks to a bipartisan proposal offered by the president’s own hand-picked deficit-reduction panel. The presidential commission offered a credible plan, one that even included the tax increases so beloved of this administration. Naturally, the president disavowed his own commission’s proposal, just as he would disavow his own budget proposal. Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi declared it “dead on arrival” in the House. The plan was angrily rejected by congressional Democrats precisely and specifically because it contained modest entitlement-reform proposals. Likewise, Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget proposal, which would have brought health-care entitlement spending down to sustainable levels while making key reforms to improve the performance of those programs, passed the House only to be rejected out of hand by Sen. Harry Reid and his Democratic colleagues, precisely because it contained entitlement reforms. It would have cut some $4.4 trillion off of the deficits over a decade, well beyond the $4 trillion mark suggested by the credit-rating agencies. But Democrats would have none of it.

    The deal that finally did pass would have contained significantly more in deficit-reduction, except for the fact that Democrats categorically refused to consider — is this sounding familiar? — entitlement reform, the most important issue.

    Content to offer blind opposition, the Obama administration never put forward a detailed plan of its own, though it insisted it had one, a fact that resulted in a moment of unintentional comedy when White House press secretary Jay Carney irritatedly asked unconvinced reporters: “You need it written down?” When it comes to the Obama administration and spending restraint, the American people have every reason to demand that the president put it in writing.

    And so we are led to this sorry pass. We are sympathetic to protests that S&P may have reacted more strongly to the political drama surrounding the debt-ceiling debate than was justified by the underlying economics: Despite the troubles in the eurozone, which are quite severe, Germany and France currently boast of higher credit ratings than that of the United States, a nation that accounts for nearly a quarter of the world’s economic output. But even those who believe S&P has overreacted must concede that the finances of the United States have been considerably weakened since 2008. Obama’s deficits have been unprecedented in peacetime, and this downgrade is unprecedented for our nation, at war or at peace. Its effects remain unknown at this time, but its causes do not: S&P spelled out its reasoning quite clearly.

    Entitlement reform is the “key issue.” The Tea Party is not standing in the way of entitlement reform. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are. Democrats believe that they have discovered a cartoon villain in the Tea Party, and they are hoping that American voters are gullible enough to be distracted by the political theatrics. Come November 2012, Americans should keep in mind both the insult and the injury — to the nation and its credit. President Obama has indeed “made history,” as he promised, but not the sort that we might have hoped for.
    Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and every other Democrat own the downgrade. Unfortunately, they will continue to lie and place the blame on the Tea Party and most likely the media will do all they can to allow them to get away with it.

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