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Extreme heat in the US midwest and East coast

Naturally everyone has been affected by this extreme heat we've been experiencing for weeks if not days now.

The jet stream has stalled way up in Canada.

What, if anything, has affected you personally with this extreme heat?

I've been forced to stay inside and not take my daily 3 mile hike around the neighborhood due to the heat and humidity here in Ohio. Reminds me of Florida every time I go outside to get the mail.

The high pollution has gone hand in hand with this high heat.

Over the weekend we had a Heat Advisory for Extreme Temps, a Severe Thunderstorm warning, and a Flood Warning all in the SAME day. The only thing we didn't have was a blizzard warning!

It's hot, unseasonably hot. Temps like we get in August and not July.

I'm beginning to think this hot weather has been 'engineered' to successfully wreck the food crops and animals and trash the country even more economically making stuff cost way too much at the supermarket. The HAARP has been turned on in Ohio a lot lately drawing over many nasty electrical storms and very heavy rain.

Anyone fry an egg on the sidewalk or cook a pizza on a dirty city street and eat it? The nutsy stunts on TV are hilarious.

Yes, temps in southeasern ontario have been extreme at 40c but we do what we have to do and just take one day at a time. We are on a grid here in town as to what we can use through the week and what times. This concerns, washing, drying, using the oven, etc. and it is a good system. We all know what we have to do keep the electricity levels low.

As I said, we do what we have to do. I have to be out in the community every day from 8 to 6 pm. Senior citizens depend on me to help them out throughout the day and these are the most important people to me.

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You have heard of global warming and climate change haven't you. This is what they mean, unseasonably hot, and, cold? temperatures

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You have heard of global warming and climate change haven't you. This is what they mean, unseasonably hot, and, cold?, temperatures

Para - this is NOT global warming. It is manmade weather manipulation. Get a grip. Global warming went out as it is NOT happening.

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Para - this is NOT global warming. It is manmade weather manipulation. Get a grip. Global warming went out as it is NOT happening.

Sarcasm font not engaged. Okay so you believe your nation is deliberately manipulating the weather so as to make it oppressively hot on its own territory using some device called HAARP. The reason they would do this escapes me unless it is to make all those illegal immigrants feel comfortable.

Seriously, this is poetic justice and what you get for ignoring the environment and cutting down the trees. From my understanding, far removed as it is, the US has a particular arrangement of mountains, river valleys and proximity to polar regions which means large masses of air move both north and south over the continent and create unfavourable weather systems. Hot air from the Gulf and cold air from the Arctic. At the moment you are experiencing an imbalance which is predicted to occur due to AGW. This may be because there is less ice in the Arctic. I am not an advocate of AGW but it seems to me that certain observable changes in the Arctic must have an impact on more that the Polar bears. However I have little doubt that if you researched your records you would find similar events in the past

What a shocker!! It's hot in July!! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Para - this is NOT global warming. It is manmade weather manipulation. Get a grip. Global warming went out as it is NOT happening.

Hi again twinkie here is a graph you can use anytime you want to prove global warming is not happening
Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

Hello:

What it is, is God favoring the left coast.

excon

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Hello:

What it is, is God favoring the left coast.

excon

If you want that debate, Ex, it might be that God, who is not to blame for every unfavourable weather event, has withdrawn his blessing

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it might be that God, who is not to blame for every unfavourable weather event, has withdrawn his blessing

Hello again, clete:

But, NOT on me and my home... While the rest of the damned country sweltered, here in Seattle it was beeuitiful..

That means, of course, that I'm RIGHT in our debates...

excon

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That means, of course, that I'm RIGHT in our debates...

excon

How did you get from here to there Ex when you know it's all that hot air in Washington that's causing the heat wave?

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That means, of course, that I'm RIGHT in our debates...

Excon

I'm always left, that makes me right too!

Always hot in Texas, we like to share.

I think global warming has bypassed Enlgand. It is getting cooler and damper every summer. The sun is becoming a distant memory. Wonder if we will have yet another snow-bound winter to look forward to...

Seattle this time of year has perfect weather . I've been there twice in early August and both times it was beautiful . None of the rain you hear about and very moderate temps .

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I think global warming has bypassed Enlgand. It is getting cooler and damper every summer. The sun is becoming a distant memory. Wonder if we will have yet another snow-bound winter to look forward to...

We are enjoying cooler weather in southeastern ontarrio last two days and lots of torrential rain. Of course, this has gone unreported in morning paper.

Tick

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I think global warming has bypassed Enlgand. It is getting cooler and damper every summer. The sun is becoming a distant memory. Wonder if we will have yet another snow-bound winter to look forward to...

You mean to say that one day summer didn't happen this year?

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I'm always left, that makes me right too!

Always hot in Texas, we like to share.

Not always, we get snow up to our eyeballs at times - just not in July.

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You mean to say that one day summer didn't happen this year?

I remember a sunny day in April but I thought that was spring.

It's been cooler and wetter in Colorado, which is just WEIRD! We're looking at surpassing our yearly average for rainfall for the first time since 1999!

Oh the weather, it is a-changin'!

Climates change, it just happens. This planet is a big ball of matter cruising through space, our rockies have risen and eroded at LEAST 3 times, and Colorado will be a sea once again in many many years (probably after humans are long gone).

Maybe we're manipulating the weather, buuuuut I tend to think this is just the way of this pretty planet, spinning through space.

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It's been cooler and wetter in Colorado, which is just WEIRD! We're looking at surpassing our yearly average for rainfall for the first time since 1999!

I'll be rafting through the Royal Gorge in a few weeks, is the Arkansas River high and fast again this year?

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I'll be rafting through the Royal Gorge in a few weeks, is the Arkansas River high and fast again this year?

That sounds lovely! Have fun!

I haven't been that far south this year, but I believe that they're not as lucky with rain as we have been. But this video from July 5 this year might be a good indication of how the river is doing!

Looks like it's moving pretty good again, should be a blast. :)

Well, thank goodness anthropogenic global warming is not behind this heat wave.

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

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NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

Carry on.

That doesn't mean you can keep polluting the planet. That's like a dog owner telling you the poop in your yard won't hurt anything.

He is right until you step in it.

Hey, shouldn't this be in the "Climate Change " thread? You can't stay in first place like that! Someone may sneak up on you!! :eek::D;)

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That doesn't mean you can keep polluting the planet. That's like a dog owner telling you the poop in your yard won't hurt anything.

He is right until you step in it.

LOL, really? How many times must I say pollution is a bad thing before you and ex stop putting out that straw man? Oh, and I'm a dog guy, I have 2 beautiful Blue Heelers.

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Hey, shouldn't this be in the "Climate Change " thread?

We can put it there, too.

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You can't stay in first place like that! Someone may sneak up on you!! :eek::D;)

Apparently I can, been there for months with usually about a 10 point lead. :D

Nice find, Steve, thanks!

Not buying into this man-made global warming sensation does not necessarily mean that one has a propensity to pollute.

I love the environment and wish to treat it very well, but I have always found Al Gore et al's nonsense to be... well... nonsense.

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Nice find, Steve, thanks!

Not buying into this man-made global warming sensation does not necessarily mean that one has a propensity to pollute.

I love the environment and wish to treat it very well, but I have always found Al Gore et al's nonsense to be...well...nonsense.

You're welcome.

Yeah, The Goracle's stuff is nonsense, but it's making him a very wealthy man at least.

Oh horror not another report of an error in the data used in modelling climate effects of CO2. Al Gore will be devistated

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As I've noted before, there are two debates here:

1: The scientific debate, which is fascinating and will take years to resolve because of the complexity of the question, and

2: The political debate, in which politicians offer up simplistic and poorly thought out approaches, such as cap-and-trade, which is rejected by most economists.

By the way, the funny thing about cap-and-trade is that you can turn the alarmists' arguments back on them. The alarmists love to state that there is a consensus among scientists on anthropogenic global warming. Well, there's a consensus among economists that cap-and-trade is the wrong way to go about regulating carbon emissions.

The economists agree that, assuming the goal is to reduce carbon emissions for whatever reason, a carbon tax would be a far more efficient means of achieving the same end. And they also agree that if that tax were offset by cuts in the income tax, the effect on the economy would be positive.

Why haven't we seen that idea pushed by the Democrats? Simple. Under such a plan, the Democrats would have to pay their fair share of the cost, just like the Republicans.

The Democrats argue that such a plan would represent a tax break for the rich. It does. But so what? If you're really concerned about the planet, you won't mind charging the middle class and the poor more for their electricity. That's the only practical way to get them to use less.

But that's politics - not science.

As for the science, it is way too early in this debate to base any political action at all on it.

Further proof the climate is too complex to be easily modeled | NJ.com

Tom you worry me this idea of a carbon tax is being implemented in Australia under the conditions you suggest. Your politicians might be sensible enough to realise that wealth distribution in the form of taxing corporations to give a tax break to individuals is a stupid idea that will backfire. As present events have demonstrated once you give a tax break you can't take it back. We don't want the poor to use less electricity Tom we want the corporations to use less electricity. This is a mindless debate because it is premissed in a lie. The lie is that man can control weather outcomes by reducing CO2 emissions. So, Tom, as the little red fox and the Australian government spend squillions this week trying to convince a skeptical population that less equals more, keep your eye on this social engineering experiment because there but for the grace of God go you

We in the US are surrounded by this . US airlines are in International Court over EU trying to compel them to comply with EU carbon taxing .

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We in the US are surrounded by this . US airlines are in International Court over EU trying to compel them to comply with EU carbon taxing .

Hey we all have this little problem of the EU pushing airline prices because of the perspective of Carbon Taxes, now in past centuries we would have had a gun boat diplomacy over this issue