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It is said that Osama Bin laden is dead, killed by a US bomb in the Pakistani capital
Osama Bin Laden dead: US has the body | News.com.au

Bo has since said it was a seal eem who but coincidence shot him in the head.

This news has the potential to widen the rift between the US and Pakistan on the scope of US operations in Pakistan but gives credence to the possibility that Pakistan not only knew where OBL was hiding but gave him sanctionary.

What will be the outcome? Will that threatened atomic detonation take place? And how interesting that the timing of the death may have coincided with the threat. Having cut off the head of the snake can the US expect al qaeda to diminish in influence or has the US given Islam a high profile martyr?"

Bin Laden Dead

Obama just announced that Bin Laden was killed in an operation in Pakistan and the body recovered.

It's about time!

Party at my house!

Yes Scott I commented on it earler. It will be interesting to hear the full facts of how it was accomplished but an excellent win

Just want to say I prefer to celebrate now, we don't know what tomorrow will bring. Actually I join with all those who have lost or who have been affected by the actions of this man in saying job well done and up yours Pakistan

The facts in the OP need correction . OBL was wacked in a fire-fight with Navy Seals .

He was living in luxury in a neighborhood next to a golf course and an arena ,close to an airport for a quick escape ,where elite government officials and former ISI retire .
The Paki's have much to answer for. This comes the same week it was revealed that Paki PM Yousuf Raza Gilani suggested to Karzai that he dump an alliance with the US ,and hitch his wagon on an alliance with the Chinese.

Osama bin Laden killed by U.S. forces; body buried at sea

No body - how convenient.

Osama bin Laden killed by U.S. forces; body buried at sea

Apparently they, um, buried him at sea. No body.

Respecting the Islamic tradition of a quick burial... and insuring no Bin Laden shrine is made of his burial site.

You're no different than Trump.

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Yes Scott I commented on it earler. It will be interesting to hear the full facts of how it was accomplished but an excellent win

I did look for a previous thread before I posted. But I guess the title didn't suggest the subject enough. So I've merged the threads.

Frankly, I don't believe the Ottawa press report. It makes no sense. Lets not post a lot of speculation. Tomder, where did you get your information? One of the things I want to know is the conditions under which he was living.

As for celebration, I am ambivalent about that. I do not think the death of ANYONE is a cause for celebration. I think Bin Laden's death should be dealt with in a different manner not the wild celebrations and exultation I've been hearing about. But frankly, I'm not sure what that manner should be. Obviously I can understand the reasons and need of some people to celebrate in such a manner.

The question about what this means for al qaeda is key. But the US had no choice here. Alive, Bin Laden was a rallying point for extreme Islamic terrorists. Dead he is a martyr for extreme Islamic terrorists. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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respecting the Islamic tradition

Happy to see the US respecting islamic tradition - Mission Accomplished!

Scott ;what part of my response do you dispute ?

What Tom no celebration. OBL got wacked, at least it was done by americans, poetic justice

I wonder how the Palestinians took it seeing the americans celebrating in the streets, now give us all something else to celebrate an end to hostilities

I'm united with ALL AMERICANS celebrating OBL's descent to Hades. Hope he enjoys his 72 skanks.

Coincidence... May 1 is also the same date Hitler's death was announced .

Scott Here is a link to the luxury compound he was living in .

Bin Laden was found at luxury Pakistan compound - OrlandoSentinel.com

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The home is in Abbottabad, a town about 35 miles north of Islamabad, that is relatively affluent and home to many retired members of Pakistan's military.
It was a far cry from the popular notion of bin Laden hiding in some mountain cave on the rugged and inaccessible Afghan-Pakistan border -- an image often evoked by officials up to and including former President George W. Bush.

The building, about eight times the size of other nearby houses, sat on a large plot of land that was relatively secluded when it was built in 2005. When it was constructed, it was on the outskirts of Abbottabad's center, at the end of a dirt road, but some other homes have been built nearby in the six years since it went up, officials said.

WALLS TOPPED WITH BARBED WIRE

Intense security measures included 12- to 18-foot outer walls topped with barbed wire and internal walls that sectioned off different parts of the compound, officials said. Two security gates restricted access, and residents burned their trash, rather than leaving it for collection as did their neighbors, officials said.

Few windows of the three-story home faced the outside of the compound, and a terrace had a seven-foot (2.1 meter) privacy wall, officials said.

"It is also noteworthy that the property is valued at approximately $1 million but has no telephone or Internet service connected to it," an administration official said. "The brothers had no explainable source of wealth."

Glad they finally got him.

Surprised they didn't want to give him his constitutionally guaranteed right to a trial... like the GITMO people. I'm waiting for the ACLU to harp on it.

Personally I think killing him was the right thing to do.

I would have fed his body to hogs for initial processing... but dumping his corpse in the ocean to be reprocessed by sea organisms is perfectly satisfactory.

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I'm waiting for the ACLU to harp on it.

Don't think that's going to happen, the US respected islamic ritual.

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Glad they finally got him.

Surprised they didn't want to give him his constitutionally guaranteed right to a trial....like the GITMO people. I'm waiting for the ACLU to harp on it.

Personally I think killing him was the right thing to do.

I would have fed his body to hogs for initial processing...but dumping his corpse in the ocean to be reprocessed by sea organisms is perfectly satisfactory.

They gave him the option to surrender.
Osama bin Laden Death Prompts Celebrations and Security Alerts - ABC News

I'm glad your "War on Terror" is over. Looking forward to seeing those draconian laws repeeled, especially not having the TSA people feel you up.

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"For over two decades, bin Laden has been Al-Qaeda's leader and symbol, and has continued to plot attacks against our country and our friends and allies. The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation's effort to defeat Al-Qaeda.

"Yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. There's no doubt that Al-Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must - and we will - remain vigilant at home and abroad.

Osama bin Laden killed: Barack Obama's speech in full - Telegraph

Oh well so much for that. His death really doesn't change much.

How about changing Canada's Draconian laws.

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Oh well so much for that. His death really doesn't change much.

Yes it does. A mass murderer has been brought to justice.

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How about changing Canada's Draconian laws.

You can start your own thread if you wish. I have to go vote. :)

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Scott Here is a link to the luxury compound he was living in .

Bin Laden was found at luxury Pakistan compound - OrlandoSentinel.com

That was it, thanks. I wasn't disputing anything, just asking for the source. I didn't mind him escaping capture so much if he was forced into a meager existence. I'll have to read up on that more.

As for killing vs capture. There was no way he would have been taken alive. He would have killed himself first.

The Pakis have much to answer for . He could not have lived this existence without the highest levels of the government knowing about it and assisting .

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You can start your own thread if you wish. I have to go vote. :)

Incidentally YOU made the comment about Draconian laws first...

Are they having a vote on what people thought about the dumb hats worn at the Royakl wedding in the Great white north?

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Are they having a vote on what people thought about the dumb hats worn at the Royakl wedding in the Great white north?

You think the wedding was in Canada? LOL!

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You think the wedding was in Canada? LOL!

Never said that... But Canadians have much more fondness for the Monarchy than we Americans do... Here its more about the personality thing than any fondness for the Monarchy (which obviously is merely a figurehead position today.)

You should have heard my wife's comments about some of those hats...

Mine was simply... they wore that out in public?

But more on topic... I would have ordered OBL fed to hungry pigs. Like Mr Wu did to Al Swearengen's bodies that needed disposing of. Reference Deadwood the TV mini-series.

But that would piss off a lot of other Muslims.

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You should have heard my wifes comments about some of those hats.....

Mine was simply...they wore that out in public?

You can ridicule Curlyben for that if you wish, he's a brit.

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You can ridicule Curlyben for that if you wish, he's a brit.

Yeah... I know... I might do that later... or create a thread if I can find the right picture.

Call it a Dumb Hats thread.

Aha... got it. :D The one Beatrice wore particularly. :eek:

It does not seem like the cave was very heavily guarded, all things considered. Furthermore, I noticed that the pictures do not really look like the interior of a cave at all. Strange.

I wonder why they had to kill him? Would it not have been more prudent to perhaps capture him and question him regarding 9/11 and other events he is responsible for? Or at least stick him in "the hole"? Oh wait, he was already in a cave so he's probably used to that environment already. Never mind.

Good thing we can confirm his identity by examining the bod... oops.

That's because it was a 3,000 square foot building in a compound 100 yards from a Military academy surrounded by 18 foot fence with razor wire on it.

NOT a cave.

Satire, my good friend.

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Satire, my good friend.

Perhaps you meant to say... " MANCAVE" and OBL had the funds to make one hell of a mancave.

Think I heard that was a Million dollar house in a country where having two goats makes you rich.

Osama been hidings new nickname posthumously shall henceforth be Osama Been catching lead.

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You can start your own thread if you wish. I have to go vote. :)

I did that already, nk. Should be interesting and I am looking forward to it.

Tick

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It does not seem like the cave was very heavily guarded

There were very few people (mostly civilians, I've heard so far) inside the "cave." Osama was secure in knowing soldiers were headquartered several blocks away.

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I wonder why they had to kill him? Would it not have been more prudent to perhaps capture him

He was told to surrender. In reply, he pulled a woman in front of him as a shield and fired at the soldiers. One, in turn, shot him in the head.

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Good thing we can confirm his identity by examining the bod... oops.

That was done at great length and in great detail to confirm it was indeed Osama. He was buried at sea.