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... and enjoy being useful idiots for dictators?
Fresh off his visit to Cuba, Jimmy Carter felt the need to visit North Korea and while there, give Kim Jong-Il a plug and call South Korea and the U.S. human rights abusers for not sending food to North Korea.
Perhaps on his way home he can stop by and give his pal Bashar kudos for his restraint in the Syrian unrest?
I think we can all stop reading right there.Quote:
Why do American leftists hate America.
Fortunately, most of us don't care what you think.
JC has been on the payroll of Kim Jong mentally IL for years.
The world and the people of North Korea would've been rid of that little bass-turd years ago except for Carter's personal interventions.There would not be a starvation issue there if he wasn't running the nation like it was Dachau .
Yet that moron Carter thinks it's us that are human rights violators ?
Jimmy... go away!! The NORKS have a nuke... mission accomplished .
Well maybe you and your little buddy tom, not sure about the rest of the world, I'm quite certain you don't speak for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
But continue on your "independant" all-things-liberals-are-evil rant. It's a daily occurrence.
I wonder if there is any racism in Carter's panning of Obama policy ?
So if I believe "all-things-liberals-are-evil" why did I just tell ex I'm OK with him "gettin' happy?" Thanks for quickly dispelling the idea that you're playing the part of adult here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Now, back to the OP.
What does "gettin' happy" mean??Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I agree with Need Karma. The statement by Speechless indicates that all American leftists hate America and one questionable example is given. This is a massive generalization. I am sure I can find one left leaning person that doesn't hate America.
Tut
Tut I thnk you need to be a little careful with abbreviations when North Korea is being discussed otherwise we might think you are a Kim fellow traveller. Let's develop your argument for a moment; there must be one left leaning person who doesn't hate america and I'm sure I can find him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Let's look immediately to the american leader, a left wing politician and surely one who would love america
Why Barack Obama Hates America - HUMAN EVENTS
Nope we can't get support there and as that fifty percent of americans who are left leaning think this guy is great we won't get support there either so you might need to look outside the US
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Originally Posted by TUT317
Thanks Clete, My reference to NK was Need Karma
Hello Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know.. Same reason right wingers do.
excon
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Hi Clete,
Interesting link. Again. I would argue that there is a tendency for too much generalization on the part of the author.
My guess is that Obama dislikes certain aspects of American culture. This doesn't mean he hates it per se.
If the author of the article/book thinks that he can predict the policies Obama is going to implement in the future based on his generalization then I think his predictions are going to fall well short.
In relation to the original posting I would say that depending on the degree of 'leftness' most left leaning people in your country would fall into the category of only disliking certain aspects of America.
Tut
Hello T:Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
I'm a leftist... I LOVE my country... I spilled my BLOOD for my country. Ask the rightists here when THEY defended their country, instead of just running their mouths...
excon
Next time someone says something about right-wingers I expect the same defense on their behalf. If I would have meant ALL leftists I would have said ALL leftists. As it's stated, the people that hate America I'm referring to are American leftists like Jimmy Carter. So, why do they hate their country?Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Edit: here's your chance:
That's a massive generalization wouldn't you say?Quote:
Hello Steve:
I don't know.. Same reason right wingers do.
Excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I would, but no more so than, "Why do American leftists hate America..."
excon
Hi Speech,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Sounds like a good defense for right wingers as well.
The way you set out your post it wasn't clear that you meant some and not all. Unless it is clear from the context the person reading the post is entitle to think the author means 'all'. That's just the way it works.
And yes, it applies to people who make statements such as, "Why do right wingers.... ?"
But seeing as you have stated you mean 'some' I e leftists like Jimmy Carter then that's fine with me. The debate can proceed on that basis.
Tut
So we seem to have established that some, well maybe most, americans hate america. Is that enough of a generalisation for you and Tut, you seem to have forgotten where you live, lots of people here don't like america or is that americans, difficult to distinguish the difference, and I have been to other places and america is definitely on the nose there.
So what is this that causes the problem for this group of people who ,as individuals, aren't that different to the rest of us. I would say it is the character of their leadership
Clete, I don't care about why any of you hate Americans or America, I know you'll all come begging for our help eventually anyway. This is about why so many American leftists hate their own country, the country that made it so easy for them to have such a good life.
OK speech why do you think americans of any persuasion hate america
They went to college.
So what you are saying is that americans are taught to hate their own country by their very expensive tertiary education system. Seems you are not getting much bang for your buck there. Shoot a few academics and that will change
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ergo - education is the enemy... It makes you elite, and you don't want to be one of the dreaded elite.
excon
Well ex I was once asked whether I prefer being part of the elete
The real question is ;why does Jimmy Carter ;a former POTUS , work to undermine US policies abroad ?
Keep 'em dumb and they'll vote republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Do you have to ask? Being a President of the US doesn't stop you from being a ****head, George W Bush demonstrated thatQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Next you'll be telling us how liberals brains are bigger. I realize most libs have swollen heads but it isn't because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I LOVE education, where can you get one minus the leftist indoctrination?
HillsdaleQuote:
I LOVE education, where can you get one minus the leftist indoctrination?
Hillsdale College - Admissions
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Seems like a good school - not much different than any other private school.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It is a fine college. It is one of the few that is ranked high by Conservatives that doesn't have claim to base it's curriculum on a Christian based education.
http://www.yaf.org/topconservativecolleges.aspx
There curriculum is 'classic liberalism 'which is much different than contemporary liberal indoctrination found in most US universities.
Hello again, Steve:
I don't know.. I'm watching Fox News and they're showing the reaction to the killing of Bin Laden... It's mostly college kids chanting USA - USA - USA.
Doesn't look like they hate their country too much...
excon
Jimmy Carter is clearly and very publicly suffering the ravages of advanced Dementia.
He was once merely the worst presidtent we ever had... before the current one...
But he did a lot of good things with Habitat for humanity... but whatever mental defect he is suffering from has basically erodded those good works until every time he speaks up is a "Dear god shut him up!" moment.
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I found your link very interesting, especially the following quote:
Furthermore, they avoid trends in academe by continuing to study Western Civilization instead of straying towards Marxism, feminism, sexuality, postmodernism, and other distractions that do not give our country, our culture, and its founding principles.
I don't know how things work over there but from my point of view I have never been involved in a course, say Marxism, that doesn't explore both the strengths and weaknesses of Marx. I don't know of any course which presupposes that Marx is infallible. In fact he comes in for criticism in just about every serious journal I have read about him.
Let's take Marxism as an example again. Just because a university offers a course in Marxism doesn't mean there is a tendency or "straying" towards the Marxist position. In fact, I think the opposite is mostly the case.
I don't want to go into detail about theories of knowledge and how knowledge progresses except to say that the important element is someone putting forward a theory and others mounting a criticism of
Said theory.
It seems to me that the above quote is an attempt to stop any theory comparisons. I think this is tantamount to saying that knowledge has progressed as far as it needs to.
Tut
I suppose you never attended the modern American University . It is not curriculum as much as indoctrination into progressive cultural 'distractions'. It took me most of a decade to debrief.
What are those progressive cultural distractions Tom? Are you suggesting footbrawl and basketball are subversive?
Progressive Radio Host Mike Malloy suggested yesterday that the Navy Seals should "drop in" on George Bush.
Hello again, tom:
So, that proves the left hates America?? Dude! Rush Limprod has a bigger audience and he said Obama is a liar... Therefore, using your logic, the right hates America MORE than the left.
excon
The right isn't calling for the assassination of a former president, big difference. I dropped by Huffpo yesterday and one of the first comments I saw said "Bush is next."
So let's weight this out - liar / kill Bush
No, Rush was pretty tame in comparison.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You have a habit of finding lone jerkoffs, and saying they represent the left... If you want to discuss what the LEFT believes, I'll have that discussion with you... But, to discuss the actions or beliefs of single weirdo's isn't something I choose to engage in, because it means nothing...
The FACT of the matter is, the LEFT doesn't want to kill Bush, and the LEFT loves American just like the right does... Are you going to bring up another crazy lefty to prove your point?? Don't you think I can come up with a nutty rightwinger to counter it?? Do you think that is productive?
excon
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