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Or more obviously moronic racism?
US apologises for 'kill team' photos of Andrew Holmes and Jeremy Morlock with Afghans | News.com.au
After shocking revelations in Iraq you have thought that US troops would have received training on being culturally sensitive in their operations in Afghanistan but no, we are seeing more of the same moronic, sadistic behavior. It is no wonder Obama has decided US boots won't touch the ground in Libya
Rogue elements in the ranks need to be removed from service ;and cold blooded murderers need to be treated like cold blooded murderers.
These photos are a pr disaster .But the Army is doing the right thing in court martialling and charging them.
A PR disaster, it is far more than a PR disaster, saying that indicates the level of cultural insensitivity in your nation. Your attitude suggests do anything you want as long as you don't get caught. Such an attitude is unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There should be no rogue elements in the ranks, Psych testing could have weeded them out early. Too many good ole boys in the service
Hello clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Is it a lack of intelligence?? Not at all.. The soldiers just follow their leaders.
And when the leadership of a nation believes that people aren't worthy of basic human treatment - that they can be subjected to torture - that they can be subjected to indefinite detention - that they can be piled up naked and pictures be taken of them, then it's clear that our leaders don't value the lives of these people, so it's no wonder the soldiers don't either.
Now you might say that we're an honorable nation and we don't do that. You also might say that our "leaders" opened their mouths and SAID we don't do it... But, if you look at what we DID, instead of what we SAID, there was a secret message being delivered to our soldiers, and the soldiers got it.
excon
Yeah especially in the Aussie special commando units... right ?Quote:
There should be no rogue elements in the ranks,
The soldier involved is going to plea guilty to murder. Sounds like he recognizes that he was not following instructions implied or otherwise.Quote:
The soldiers just follow their leaders.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That, or he's avoiding the death penalty. Clearly, this ;) WON'T work as a defense.
excon
Tom in any ranks no matter where they come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Ok Ex we have established that it is a deliberate poiicy of the US military despite all evidence to the contrary, sort of explains why they have been a little heavy handed in LibyaQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
All I know is that if this happened under Bush's watch ,the US dinosaur press would've led with this story for days. The Dems in Congress would be pontificating for hours comparing us the Third Reich . The Secretary would be peppered with follow-up after follow-up questions by the White House press corp.
And so you are saying the story has to be broken internationally before your media picks it up, so much for a free press
Bump.
Yes our press is very compliant to the right President.
So is our activist lefty's for that matter . Pictures of prisoners in their underware while a Republican President is in charge ;months of continuous coverage.
Pictures of soldiers taking trophy pictures over their kill while the US has a lefty President... no media coverage in the US ,no Congressional outrage ,no mass demonstrations in the ummah.
Sounds like a media vacuum to me do you even know that the US has attacked Libya?
Yeah we do . Acting President Evita,(while the President is in abstentia on spring break ), alternately tells us Daffy must go while saying he's not a target.
Just to show you this lack of intelligence isn't confined to one side of the pacific it seems the idiocy can be found elsewhere among those fight our wars
ADF launches investigation into Australian soldiers' racist taunts | News.com.au
This is disappointing after all we are better than this
That's their concern ? What about the Aussie special ops soldiers who lobbed a grenade into a bedroom full of children ?
What do you mean that's their concern? It is my concern that forces representing me have a bad attitude and it should be your concern that forces representing you have a bad attitude. Whatever members of the coalition do reflects on both you and I.
As to collateral damage, Tom I have no doubt such mistakes happen with all of the forces involved, we have seen many of them in Afghanistan and I wonder how many there are we don't know about. I doubt that was a deliberate attack on children but post the link to the story so we can all judge for ourselves.
Hello again,
In addition to following HIDDEN orders, there is another component in the military's debauchery.. It's the lack of a draft, combined with two wars and untold wartime deployments. That causes the military to accept - no - RECRUIT less than optimal members for our fighting forces.
Can a felon join?? Yes - but couldn't before. Can a gang member join up? Sure. What surprises me, is that YOU'RE surprised that thugs posing as soldiers DO this.
excon
It was deliberateQuote:
As to collateral damage, Tom I have no doubt such mistakes happen with all of the forces involved,
As I said post the linkQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yes Ex but you have got to agree they are recruiting a nicer class of thug these days. What surprises me isn't that thugs do this, it is that they aren't weeded out, because usually thugs are cowards at heart, no, I think that in times of high unemployment the service becomes attractive to those who can't get a job anywhereelse. What do you think a draft would achieve, weed them out sooner or give a lot of young men weapons training they wouldn't get otherwise. I doubt it would give them disciple because it is obviously lacking in these offenders and it obviously doesn't teach common sense. But cannon fodder does achieve one purpose it lifts the IQ of the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Weed them out?? WEED THEM OUT?? They RECRUITED them specifically FOR their thugishness. They just didn't want them to go off the reservation... You guys are the only ones who are surprised that they did. I'll bet the military considers these murders acceptable casualties..
What would a draft do?? DUDE! It would fill the ranks so the military wouldn't have to seek out CRIMINALS. Plus, it would have the added benefit of giving the NATION a stake in these wars, whereas only the POOR and the OUTCAST are bearing that burden.
excon
Ex with the exception of the unforunates who have had their tour extended everyone in the military is someone who wants to be in the military but by their actions they are rapidly becoming outcastsQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
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