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  • Jan 20, 2007, 06:45 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Dead Zone!
    Has anybody have ever seen the show dead zone! I find it to be an interesting show. Any shows that are paranormal is interesting to me. For example: Medium, Ghost Whisperer, A haunting, Dead Zone and others.

    What are your thoughts on these shows and the paranormal. Is anybody here have similar television interests, or paranormal interests.

    I am interested in hearing from you.

    Joe
  • Jan 20, 2007, 09:09 PM
    phillysteakandcheese
    I am a fan of the entire sci-fi, paranormal, conspiracy theory genre. I love the crossover between fact and fiction that shows like The Dead Zone, or Psi factor, present. It's fun to imagine the possibilities and this genre of entertainment can really feed an active imagination.

    While I like the entertainment, I am a huge skeptic when it comes to "real world" paranormal ability. I have seen enough "evidence" that there certainly are people in this world that have sesnitivity and perceptions that go way beyond the norm. I also know that there are plenty of unsavory characters trying to exploit people's belief in the paranormal for their own personal gain.

    I used to enjoy the Coast to Coast AM radio shows when I was able to get them - but some of the stuff they have is just so far out there that I consider it entertainment, not journalism.
  • Jan 20, 2007, 10:37 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Yes, I tend to listen to Coast to Coast. Especially driving home from work. Your right there is lots of way out there stuff on that.

    I forgot about Psi Factor.

    I guess that is the difference between you and I. Yes, the shows are entertainment, but I also believe and have an open mind about the real world of paranormal ability.

    Thank you for responding.

    I guess no one else is interested. Lol

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 09:45 AM
    Bluerose
    "I guess no one else is interested. lol"

    I am and I will get back to you with my thoughts on it as soon as I get them written down. You may not like what I have to say though.

    I have discussed it before on other forums and had it referred to as 'magical thinking'. And I came back with... "Not magical thinking - but Creative Thinking."

    We are all entitled to our own opinions. Correct?

    Let me see what I can remember and write it down - never kept a copy.

    BRB

    I feel the need to point out that there is more going on in this world - and in our brains - than we can ever be aware of.

    I believe in The Law Of Attraction.

    Thought is creative. All thought, good and bad, is creative and tends to become a material thing. So be careful what you wish for!

    We each live in a world of our own creation. We each have our own abilities and capabilities. We each believe what we choose to believe.

    I think the process goes something like this -

    You have an idea, you have faith in that idea until you believe in it, and you believe in it until you know it is a plausible fact.

    Like the 'knowing', the factual knowledge we receive while getting to know about ourselves and the world we live in, our beliefs do not manifest overnight. We must first have faith that something might be a fact and may be useful to us as individuals. We then decide whether we are going to believe this. And if we choose to believe it we will eventually come to know it is a fact - on the other hand something may have happened in the meantime to cause us to change our minds and we no longer believe or have faith in that fact.

    In James Randi's world psychics do not exist because he chooses not to have faith in them and therefore does not believe in them and knows of none.

    But that does not mean that they don't exist. It only means that they don't exist for him in his world of belief and knowledge.

    Randi is an intelligent, practical, logical thinker. He, like the rest of us, chooses what to believe. This does not mean that the things he does not believe do not exist.

    I am not a psychic. I do not visit a psychic. I am not religious. I do not visit a church. This does not mean that I do not believe in God or that I do believe in God. It simply means I have an open heart and I like to keep an open mind.

    Randi dose not have an open mind. He is, I believe, unintentionally choosing to close his mind to certain things within his world. And he has every right to do so. Just as you have every right to let in or keep out of your own world anything you want.

    I simply ask you not to close your mind to anything that might catch your attention and give birth to some wonderful ideas without doing your own research.

    There are too many sheep among the skeptics and among the believers. Do your own research, and then make up your own mind.

    A beautiful mind is an awful thing to waste.

    Use it or lose it!

    Let me know what you think.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 10:26 AM
    magprob
    It is a proven fact that the human eye only percieves 5% (or less) of the universe. That means our brains are only filtering and regestering about the same amount of stimulis.
    With that in mind, I think it is concievable that we might be missing something that is in fact going on around us. I think to say that what we think is ultimate reality would be the total of everything there is, is pretty small of us.
    Bluerose has brought up the law of attraction which is the most important thing, I think, we can consider. The entire universe and everything in it contains the creative "stuff" that alows our human minds to be a part of the creative process. Thoughts are things that interact with that creative field to change energy into mass or, what we desire or need.
    A great new book, CD and DVD is out that I think explains it best to date. That is called, "The Secret." Check it out.
    The radio show Coast to Coast AM with George Noorey is perhaps the greatest learning tool ever to come acreoss the waves. I agree that sometimes there are people on the show that are whacked out and even just out to make a buck. Why, even Sylvia Brown was on one night and she said that those miners trapped in the Sago mine would be all alive. In just a short time, the news flash said they were all dead but one. So you see, you can learn something no matter what on Coast to Coast. I learned that Sylvia Brown is a hoax! So did George Noory. It is a great show and the amount of listeners they have proves that.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 10:29 AM
    chuff
    Oh man I used to listen to coast to coast when Art Bell was the regular host. I didn't really believe it. I believe a few people were telling the truth or what they perceived as the truth but it what I always loved trying to figure out was weather Art Bell really believed what he was hearing. Sometimes he would just go "Mmmm-Hmmm" and I always got the impression he didn't believe a word of what he was hearing.

    But when they would bring on authors they could really have a good coversation. For example they might have an author of a book about UFO cover ups and it would be fasinating listening to them. I never believed a word but I always believed the author believed everything he or she was saying which made it seem genuine.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 10:34 AM
    magprob
    Art Bell is a very intelligent man and no, he does not believe it all. As a matter of a fact, he is quite conservative in his beliefs. George Norry is about the same however, you think he believes them when he is just working them to get a great interview. He is the master at getting a great interview!
  • Jan 21, 2007, 10:39 AM
    chuff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob
    I learned that Sylvia Brown is a hoax! So did George Noory.

    Sylvia Brown has been proven a con many times over. I remember reading about a child that was kidnapped in Texas and Sylvia Brown told the parents 4 years after the kidnapping the child was still alive. Now I'm not going to blame the parents for getting a psychic because I would too in that same situation. I'd do anything and of course the parents are holding on to some kind of hope so there going to believe something in such a highly emotional state. Later her kidnapper was captured and he told the authorities where the little girl was. She was murdered 3 days after the kidnapping.

    Sylvia Brown is an evil woman. Giving parents a false hope under such emotional pain only to find out later they had nothing to hope for.

    The very least she could have done is said she can't get a reading so she could protect her con game and not given false hope the parents. I really hate that women.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magprob
    Art Bell is a very intelligent man and no, he does not believe it all. As a matter of a fact, he is quite conservative in his beliefs. George Norry is about the same however, you think he believes them when he is just working them to get a great interview. He is the master at getting a great interview!

    I know I've heard George Norry (I didn't know his name until you said it) but to me he's just not the same as Art Bell. I was never a die hard who would go out of his way to listen but once I found it on the radio I never changed the dial. But Art Bell was just so fun to listen too and I guess George Norry is probably the same way because they know that someone is going to call and just make up something and it would be great the way they let them tell there story even if they don't believe it. They don't cut them off but rather let the caller talk themselves out. Even if you take out the subject matter it's kind of a fascinating conversation approach.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 10:56 AM
    magprob
    Yes, I agree Sylvia Brown is evil to give folks hope only to have them shocked by the reality of the situation. Now she is trying to promote her Son's career as if he is a great sage of some sort. They really make me sick! Her and so many like her are doing just that, all for a buck.
    By the way, Art Bell is only on the show on weekends now and he is having mostly scientist and people with PHDs on. You know what PHD stands for don't you? Piled Higher and Deeper! A BS is of course Bull Sh*# and a MS is just More Sh*#
  • Jan 21, 2007, 11:15 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Sylvia Brown reading over the phone or in person costs 700 dollars.

    I think her sons reading maybe a couple hundred dollars cheaper.

    Although I am interested in pychics, I do believe in the gift. I have had my own personal experiances, but to do it for money tells me it is not legit.

    Bluerose, I enjoyed reading what you wrote and I do believe that our thoughts create the world around us and even shape the next world we move onto to as well.

    Those are my thoughts anyway.

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 11:48 AM
    chuff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

    Although I am interested in pychics, I do believe in the gift. I have had my own personal experiances, but to do it for money tells me it is not legit.

    I believe in them to. And to be honest if they were legit I wouldn't even mind paying for them. I know some law enforcement agencies have used psychics and received positive results. I know that some psychics have flat out solved cases. Some psychics have found bodies. So there is something there. And those psychics should be compensated in my opinion. But they are the minority not the majority.

    I've heard were all psychics in some way and I think that's true. I've had feelings come over me and tell me not to do something, and I've done it only to have something bad be the result. I think real psychics are more in tune with that inner voice (or outer voice from somewhere else perhaps) and can pick up on things that most people can't or won't.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 12:10 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Chuff,

    When I was a teenager, I started having dreams that would come true. That very day, sometimes weeks later, sometimes years later. I still have them from time to time.

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 12:43 PM
    chuff
    Jesushelper,

    I remember when I was 17 and my friend was bugging me for a ride to his girl friends about 20 minutes out of my way. He kept bugging me for a couple hours (we were at work). I just had this overwhelming feeling not to do it. I kept saying no and eventually I caved in and said I would. I wrote off the internal feeling I had as one of not wanting to drive 20 minutes away.

    On the way over there I got hit by another driver right in the side of the drivers side door. I had was carted off to the hospital and had some internal bleeding. The car had several thousand dollars worth of damage. Some how this was deemed my fault even though he hit me and swerved into me. I took him to court and still lost. It cost me a lot of money and some pain as well.

    And yet before I left work something inside me (or outside me) knew that bad things were about to happen. I continued to discount the feelings and write them off. They were right and they were trying to tell me something. I didn't listen.

    I've had similar situations after that where I've had this overwhelming feeling of pain or something in my gut that says "don't do what your about to do" and I've continued to ignore them or get talked out of them or even pressured out of them by my own family and get horrible results in many different situations.

    I wish I had something sort of guide me in the right direction because I've never really felt that but I know I have some kind of warning system or something tells me when something bad is going to happen. I've finally started to accept it a little more and listen to it in the last year when it's come up. It only comes up every 6 months or a year so it's not like a daily thing but when it happens I can feel it all through my body. It's very hard to describe but it's very real.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 12:55 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Yes, it is very real. Too many people ignore their instincts or gut feelings. It is hard to explain but I know exactly where you are coming from.

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 03:32 PM
    Bluerose
    "A great new book, CD and DVD is out that I think explains it best to date. That is called, "The Secret." Check it out."

    I want this so much but I don't think it is out in the UK yet.

    It's based on The Masterkey System which I have read.

    Here is a free online link to it. -

    PsiTek - The Master Key System - FREE
  • Jan 21, 2007, 04:00 PM
    Bluerose
    "When I was a teenager, I started having dreams that would come true. That very day, sometimes weeks later, sometimes years later. I still have them from time to time."

    Me too, even younger. I was much older before I began to believe it was more than coincidence. Even today I have two recurring dreams that 'guide' me.

    Put into words it sounds rather silly but it is real, they are real.

    I'll tell you about them sometime.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 04:18 PM
    JoeCanada76
    I would love to hear about them, I will also share mine. Sometime. As long as this thread is kept alive. (;
  • Jan 21, 2007, 04:36 PM
    Bluerose
    "Yes, it is very real. Too many people ignore their instincts or gut feelings. It is hard to explain but I know exactly where you are coming from."

    I read The Masterkey in my twenties. I am reading it again since re-discovering it online. I don't believe I took it all in the first time around. But, nevertheless, the seed was sown and I became a much more positive thinker. And that is where the bases of my beliefs come from - reading that book. Now what drove me to read it? Too many coincidences. I was beginning to notice a pattern - this would happen if I did this, or if I thought that. I have been called psychic but I don't like it because I think it is more than that. And if we stick the psychic label on it, we could be missing something really important. After all there is so much of the brain that we don't use - so what is it for?

    And when you speak of getting a 'warning' from inside or outside of you... I would go as far as saying it is from the inside.

    It is a wonderful topic. But, like the radio show you spoke of earlier, some people can get a little caught up in the subject and before they know where they are, they imagine all sorts happened to them. It's like reading a medical journal and then thinking you have most of the symptoms in it.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:03 PM
    Bluerose
    Here's my take on dreams. Your brain is like a computer with information being fed in all the time. Much, much more information than you realise. And just like everything is saved to hard drive when you shut down your computer, all that information is sorted and stored. I imagine it a bit like those big old fashioned mail sorting boxes at the post office.

    Have you ever deliberately gone without sleep for as long as possible? If we don't go to bed and allow the brain to do it's work it starts doing it while we are awake. Most of us would just fall asleep eventually. But those who don't are the ones who have hallucinations (nocturnal visions) and see things like ghosts at the foot of their bed.

    Now for their meaning. They can mean whatever you think they mean. All that information has been logged even if you are unaware of it - it's yours. And when you dream and look for a meaning in the dream, there is a very good chance you will be right. It's not the dream giving you the message, it's your interpretation of the dream.

    These are my 'warning' dreams.

    I have a warning dream that works every time. But I am the one who put the significance there in the first place, I decided what it meant, and now I can use it through my subconscious.

    Actually I have two, not really keen on talking about the second one. But never mind, if nothing else it'll give you a laugh.

    1)... Dogs.. Dogs in my dream are a warning... the bigger and blacker the dog the more serious the warning... the smaller, lighter the dog not so serious. Those mostly turn out to be about kids. Sounds crazy I know. But it works for me and that is what is important.

    2)... If I dream that I am sitting on or trying to go to the loo... I wake up knowing I have been talking a load of sh**. (I'll probably have that one tonight. Lol)

    The best interpretation of your dreams is whatever you think it means, no one else. Dreams are messages from you to you. All that information gets stored depending on its importance and its usefulness to you in your life and gets chalked up as your Life Experiences.

    And, like a computer, the quality of the information that comes out will depend on the quality of the information that was fed in.

    Be more selective in everything... Spend more quality time with the people you care about the most. Be positive, and…. Think nice thoughts.

    And now it is your turn to tell me about yours. Lol
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:07 PM
    Bluerose
    ... Had this in my files.

    "In the beginning, Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1960) studied under Sigmund Freud. Eventually, their differing views on dreams caused a major rift and each went their separate ways.

    Like Freud, Jung believed in the existence of the unconscious. However, he didn't see the unconscious as animalistic, instinctual, and sexual; he saw it as more spiritual. Dreams were a way of communicating and acquainting ourselves with the unconscious. Dreams were not attempts to conceal our true feelings from the waking mind, but rather they were a window to our unconscious. They served to guide the waking self to achieve wholeness. Dreams offered a solution to a problem we are facing in our waking life.

    Jung viewed the ego as one's sense of self and how we portray ourselves to the world. Part of Jung's theory was that all things can be viewed as paired opposites (i.e. good/evil, male/female, or love/hate). And thus working in opposition to the ego, is the "counterego" or what he referred to as the shadow. The shadow represents rejected aspects of yourself that you do not wish to acknowledge. It is considered an aspect of yourself which is somewhat more primitive, uncultured, and awkward."
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:20 PM
    JoeCanada76
    When I would have dreams that come true. They would literally come true. I also know the difference between just a dream and a dream that actually means something.

    I will give you an example: When I was in school. I dreamed that there this friend Michael and the teacher we had, started touching him improperly. That day on the school bus, I said watch out for the teacher and I explained he is going to do something inappropriate. So that day in class. We were all playing some game. The teacher was sitting beside Michael and he started to rub his arm and telling him good job.

    2 Years before this, I had a dream that it was grade six, and that there was this lineup and all the grade 6 teachers were calling out the students name. Who's class your going to be in. I was called by Mr. Mcgregor, and I ended up in his class. We were in this science room and he scared the hell out of me because his personality changed so quickly.

    2 Years later. Exactly what I dreamed came true.

    I dreamed that one day that there was this snake going through the school grounds, and some of the students killed it.
    That day at school. They found a snake on the school grounds some of the students killed it.

    When my long distance girlfriend and I were seeing each other every weekend. One day I had a dream that she was bleeding. So I called her and asked her did she just start her period, guess what she started it that day.

    Now to the latest. My wife has epilepsy and I would be warned before her seizure would happen. Most of the time she would have no clue it was coming, but usually I always sensed it before hand. Or I would dream about her having a seizure and that day I she would.

    This is just an example.

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:45 PM
    Bluerose
    Thanks for sharing.

    I was quite young when I dreamed of a pack of dogs coming in the window, going past my bed towards my parents bedroom. I was watching them when one of the dogs said, "What the f*** you looking at!" I felt like I was awake, I remember pulling the covers over my head. The next morning I told my parents and in order to satisfy me they pulled back the covers and looked under the bed and told me to look. They laughed and thought it was funny. A few nights later my dad was out and got attacked by a gang that hung around a street corner.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:46 PM
    JoeCanada76
    One more example. I woke up from a nightmare of me walking my baby sister. The next doors neighbour cat jumped up on my little sister. I swung at the cat and it flew and it the house. I looked outside. Guess what was sitting in front of our porch. The same cat. Later that day I asked my mom if it was just a coincidence. Then Guess what happened. Seen the same cat at our door. Two weeks later, my mom was walking my baby sister. That same cat jumped up at my sister, my mom swung at the cat and it flew.

    Joe
  • Jan 21, 2007, 05:58 PM
    Bluerose
    Joe,

    May I ask you, with all that going on, did you ever doubt your sanity? I know I doubted mine.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 06:01 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Honestly, I never doubted my sanity once. I knew that I had dreams that would come true. I knew they meant something. I knew they were important for me and others. Never doubted, not even for a second. As a teenager, and now. I was very open minded. I was very aware of my surroundings. At the same time. I took up serious meditation. I practised an hour or more everyday. I think that also helped focus. I am not sure if there was a link in what I experienced because of it.
  • Jan 21, 2007, 06:20 PM
    Bluerose
    In my twenties when I began to pay more serious attention to what was going on, I guess I freaked out a bit. My father had committed suicide, and I think that was the bases for me to doubt my sanity. But that was a long time ago. I was 57 on Saturday - Happy Birthday To Me! And these things still happen, and not just in dreams. I am much more light minded about them now. I can pass stuff on and share with family and have a laugh.

    A couple of years ago my daughter called to tell me that her boyfriend had just bought a car - I joked and said, "I hope it's not a red one."
    My daughter replied, "Now you tell me." and we laughed because it was red.

    We could laugh because I have never got the warning about anything really serious, so I wasn't worried. They did have a minor accident and next time they were going for a car they told me not to worry they wouldn't get a red one. Lol
  • Jan 21, 2007, 06:37 PM
    Bluerose
    I'm sure this one must happen all the time but my kids still love to tell it. One night while planning to send out for pizza, I went to find a take away menu. Couldn't find one, ended up ordering Chinese. While I was washing up the next day, my daughter came into the kitchen and said, "Remember we were looking for a pizza menu?" She held one in her hand. Concerned that the kids might think I didn't look hard enough because I wanted Chinese, I asked her, "Where did you find that?"
    "It just came through the door." she said.
    We just looked at each other and mouthed the 'Twilight Zone' tune (spooky).
  • Jan 21, 2007, 06:53 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Yes, I talked about all the serious dreams and feelings, but yes I have what you have which I know something, that it is just something light. Not serious as well. I enjoyed your stories. It is everyday life experience, and yes I know what you mean by that not all of it is serious. My wife and I have good laughs about certain things as well. Twilight Zone, I remember that show. When I was a kid I was spooked, the music spooked me right out, but the show itself was fine. Lol

    Joe
  • Jan 22, 2007, 05:30 AM
    Bluerose
    In my teens I had this boy pestering me so I told him to 'go play with the traffic!' A few days later I saw him with his leg in plaster, he got hit by a car! Not serious, thank God, just broke his leg. I was only young and that really freaked me out. But my friends and him just laughed. They thought it was funny but I saw it as something else. Not sure what, but I think that was the beginning of me recognising that it seemed to be more than coincidence.

    I talked to a minister about it in my twenties and he was very sweet and told me he wasn't sure what it was but that I should think nice thoughts and learn about positive thinking. I think he thought that if I believed I was making things happen being more positive might keep me sane. Lol

    I got used to it over the years but it did frighten me when I was younger, and I was afraid to talk to anyone about it back then cause I was afraid I was going mad and I might lose my kids.

    It was only when they were older that I sought out some professional help. I wanted to know once and for all just what the hell was going on. Even if I was crazy, I didn't care anymore. My kids were much older and doing fine. And I was over the frightening bit, now I was just bloody curious. Lol

    It was never properly explained but I did receive some great advice on how to deal with it. I think the most important piece of advice was, "Do what you can with the stuff you can do something about and simply let go of the rest."

    Oh, dear! I hope that doesn't make me sound like a crazy lady. It's just such a relief to be able to talk about it now.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 05:41 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Honestly, there was a couple of times when I was a teenager. For some reason a negative thought came to mind and later it would come to pass, I felt really guilty because things I thought of would actually come true. I do not know if you call it a premonition or something else. For example, I saw myself in a car accident in the ditch. Well you can guess what happened. It was such a scary situation.

    Joe

    Honestly you are not a crazy lady. I believe many others experience this but eighter they do not talk about it. Or do not pay attention to it.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 08:21 AM
    chuff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
    I believe many others experiance this but eighter they do not talk about it. Or do not pay attention to it.

    I couldn't agree more. I am the same way. I ignored or made excuses for my feelings for years. And yet, every time these negative feelings came over me and I ignored them something would happen. I actually had it happen this past November only I listened to them went home and did nothing all day. Literally sat on my coach and did nothing because I figured nothing could happen there. And nothing bad happened. So as I'm getting older I am getting smarter to learn to listen to that inner voice.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 01:46 PM
    Bluerose
    You guys make me feel so good about... I call it My Stuff.

    I can remember the turning point for me so well. My soldier husband was stationed in Northern Ireland and I was alone and feeling quite sorry for myself. And things that were happening all seemed to be rather negative. I remember thinking I would try a little experiment. If bad things were happening because I was feeling upset and lonely, what if I thought of something good happening. It worked! I began to feel better and my guy got sent home on R&R.

    I carried out many little experiments like that, some I read in a book - like using positive thinking to imagine a parking space just waiting for me when I enter a crowded car park. Try it, it works! Lol

    I don't think it's so mysterious. I think it has a lot to do with the law of attraction and what you believe you are capable of.

    When I was younger and before I made the connection, these things 'just happened'. But as I got older, less afraid, and began to believe that yes something is going on here, I carried out a few experiments and when they worked, I began to more than believe.

    Finding the terminology, the words to explain what happens seems to be where I struggled. Over the years I have read many, many books on Metaphysics - beyond the physical - and have grown into whatever 'It' is.

    Even if it should turn out to be some kind of disorder - which I have considered and also read up on - it just doesn't matter anymore. I'm happy and if nothing else, I am simply very intuitive.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 02:31 PM
    31pumpkin
    Yup, Sylvia Brown is a fraud & a con artist. Just last week the boy who was kidnapped in Missouri 4 yrs. Ago was returned home. I saw the clip from shortly after the kidnapping where his parents went on Montel Williams show & Sylvia told the parents when asked by the mother if the son "was still with us", and Brown said, "no, he's dead". Can you imagine the hurt she caused those parents?

    I had an experience (indirectly) with her also. My brother's daughter (obviously my niece) went on Montel in Sept. 2005. Desperate to no end in finding my brother's killer- and against what Christians believe- I too went along with it-but I did mention to her that if the psychics can bring out the dark side- Oh maybe we could "just get names" & run with it & disregard everything else the psychic says. Wow I did get hell from my pastor though for even believing that! Well, we got 3 names & descriptions. But my niece brought the tape of the show to the detectives-they followed up on it-but 16 months later- nothing.

    I do not believe in psychics. People do not come back from the dead & appear as ghosts. That is satan transforming himself into anything or anyone he pleases. He's got a good memory & can haunt anyone if they don't know.

    Any increases in the amount of ghosts showing up or programs centered on the paranormal is just satan WANTING people to dabble in the occult!
  • Jan 22, 2007, 03:13 PM
    JoeCanada76
    God has given many gifts to people. That is including prophesy. Why would God give it to people of bible days, but not in these days. The hell from the Paster and the scare tactics of Satan is behind everything is balony.

    Joe
  • Jan 22, 2007, 04:58 PM
    31pumpkin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
    God has given many gifts to people. That is including prophesy. Why would God give it to people of bible days, but not in these days. The hell from the Paster and the scare tactics of Satan is behind everything is balony.

    Joe


    There is a difference between the gift of prophecy (which by the way is not just looking into the future but a revelation of the past in the Bible that applies to today & tomorrow) Those revelations(which many church leaders possess-& even some of the saints) are from God & do not contradict God's word about His abomination of mediums. We've been through this before, Helper. If you believe in God's word- you obey it. If you do not confess what you did/or are doing by watching occult programs, you run the risk of consequences in your life. But don't take my word for it. If you don't know how the devil operates by now-I can't tell you.
    In the endtimes, which is now, many people will turn away from the Faith. Those who press on till the end in the Faith shall overcome & be in glory with God -forever.

    It's a gift, actually a curse only from the pitts of hell. Something not to take lightly. I won't be chiding anyone about this stuff. At your own risk do you engage this stuff. I know you will be upset, I'm sorry. I will pray for you.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 05:23 PM
    JoeCanada76
    You know what, if you knew we ran in this problem why did you come into this thread. I have had personal experiances. It has helped family, friends, school, work. You can not sit there and tell me that I do not obey God. You have no right. It is not from Hell, Your one of those people who think everybody else is going to hell for everything. Except you because you think your better then everybody else and that your judgements are right. You my friend are going to learn what is more important in this life, but it probably be too late, You will find out on the other side what is truly important.

    My gift, Helps other people. It is from God. To tell me It is from the pits of hell your so full of yourself. Do not come here and preach about something you obvously know nothing about.

    At my own risk engage this stuff. God is in control of my dreams. The dreams that come true. God is within me. Gods spirit is always with me. You do not need to prayer for me, I need to pray for you because you are so hateful.

    Upset, not upset, just do not like hyprocrites and you are one of them.

    Joe
  • Jan 22, 2007, 05:55 PM
    chuff
    Well I'm not religious but I believe in God. I truly don't know enough about the subject to argue one way or the other but I tend to believe human beings are more speicifically the human brain holds a lot of secrets and a lot of power that we don't understand. I think that is why we can have these overwhelming feelings that guide us at time. Some how we become more in tune with something else. God, Angels, the other side, I'm not really sure. I've never seen a ghost but I know 4 people who have and I trust them very much when they say they have. I don't think for one second there lying. In fact 2 of the people I know saw the same ghost at different times. One is a mother of 5 kids and has no reason to make this up. She doesn't really joke around and has always been honest with me so I believe in ghosts or something from the other side.

    I don't want to get into it too much but in the year 2000 I was going through some horrible problems and one day I just got in my car and drove for hours. I wound up going to my hometown and just wandering around. I went to my grandparents old house (they died years ago when I was a kid). Around the corner I there was a wooded lot with trails that we used to go sledding in when I was a kid. So I went over there and was walking around and totally at peace for the first time all day and in months with myself so I decided to say a little prayer about what I was going through. Interestingly enough, because I was a block away from my grandparents old house, I said, something to the effect of "It doesn't even have to be God listening, just anybody that can guide me, or a relative I've never met, or my grandparents someone that can just give me a clue and let me know this is going to be okay.

    So I get done and open my eyes and immediately out of nowhere from above the tree line a hawk flys down and lands on a branch in front of me. Like 5 FEET in front of me. Then the hawk just stares at me for a minute or so. There were not other birds around, no other animals for that mattter, and this hawk could have landed anywhere and in fact could have not even been seen. But he landed 5 feet in front of me and just made eye contact for a minute straight.

    I don't know who I spoke with on the other side, but to me, I got the clue that I asked for that my message was being heard. And in the end, everything came out all right.

    I think there are times when you receive guidance and even when you don't think you are still are.
  • Jan 22, 2007, 06:02 PM
    31pumpkin
    What's hypocrite got to do with it? And I didn't know you considered YOURSELF a psychic-b/c now it's sounding like it. And if that is so, I didn't mean it to you personally. So you don't have to get so upset because I am leaving !
  • Jan 22, 2007, 06:04 PM
    JoeCanada76
    Good, leave then. Many people call it different things. Instinct, pychic, gift. I have had many experiances and I shared them, then you told me that I am going to hell. So yes, do us all a favour and leave.

    Thank you.

    Joe
  • Jan 22, 2007, 06:11 PM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 31pumpkin
    If you do not confess what you did/or are doing by watching occult programs, you run the risk of consequences in your life. But don't take my word for it.

    Don't sweat it, Punky. I doubt that anybody who's read your posts on the subject will be likely to take your word for anything.

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