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Not content with bringing on the doomsday of climate change, now we have another celestial event to contend with. This one comes with the assurance that past disasters have been aided and abetted by the tidal forces of the Moon.
Beware the ides of March or March 19 to be more precise
Moonageddon: on March 19, our nearest neighbour will be at it closest since 1993 | News.com.au
I can live with it. Not having the moon would be much worse than having it drift temporarily closer to the Earth.
Well Tom I hope there is no calamity on that day but you have been warned
Back in the days when we were going to get nuked by the Ruskies I learned in school how to assume the position.
You did that when you elected Obama or was it Bush?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment according to findings from the Bible.
Can you site the specific biblical passage for us ?
Tomder55Yes, and no. Let me explain.Quote:
can you site the specific biblical passage for us ?
[1] Yes I can cite specific passages that point to the date in question.
[2] No, the passages by themselves do not necessarily make a compelling argument as to why they could be understood in that way. Or even that they should be understood in that way.
I'm assuming you're looking for a quick and easy way to either accept or dismiss the entire issue of date setting. And I don't blame you at all. Most of the churches throughout The Churh Age have taught correctly that "No man knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but my father only." But the Church Age ended in 1988. And the churches are still teaching pretty much as they did before that. Yet NOW, that teaching is no longer valid for believers. A completely new re-appraisal of the entire gospel program is necessary. Based on the fact that God has opened all seven seals spoken of in the book of Revelation.
Nevertheless here are some of the passages you've requested. The ones most directly connected to May 21, 2011.
[1] Genesis 7:4 and 7:10. Both referring to seven days before the flood.
[2] Genesis 7:11. Referring to the second month and the seventeenth day of the month. Utilizing any Hebrew calendar converter online we see that the 17th day of the 2nd Hebrew month is equivalent to May 21. Specifically in the year 2011.
[3] 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:3,4,5. In the context of the great flood and the destruction of the Earth one day is as a thousand years. Applying that 1000 years to one day in Genesis 7, we get 7000 years after the flood.
[4] In other studies Family Stations, Inc. published about 30 years ago that the Great Flood occurred in 4990 B.C. Adding 7000 years to 4990 B.C. we get 2011 A.D. The one year difference is because in going from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. there is no year "zero."
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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
I would disagree with the date. We are not looking at the correct mathematical formulation. The important number is 6, not 7.
We need to take into account the perfection of numbers. A perfect number is dependent upon number's divisors. For example, the divisors of 12 are 1,2,3,4 and 6. When a sum of a number's divisors is greater than the number itself it is called an 'excessive' number. On this basis 12 is an excessive number because its divisors add up to 16. On the other hand the sum of a numbers divisors is less than the number itself is called a 'defective number'. 10 is a defective number because its divisors 1, 2 and 5 only add up to 8.
The most significant and rarest numbers are those whose divisors add up to exactly to the number itself and these are PERFECT numbers. The number 6 is significant because God created the world in 6 days. The number 6 has the divisors 1,2, and 3. It is a perfect number because 1+2+3 =6. Perfect numbers are hard to fine when we consider a sequence. The next perfect number is 28 because 1+2+4+7=14 =28.
As the counting of numbers get bigger the perfect numbers become harder to find. One can do the mathematics and find that the most significant perfect number is 8,128,
If we add 8,128 and not 7,000 to 449 B.C we get a date at least a thousand years later than 2011.
Tut
Yes I've actually spoken to a Jewish expert on this cite who used to be a heavy contributor here and explained that numerology in the Bible was an academic exercise that Biblical scholars take quite seriously.
I on the otherhand am more like my namesake Thomas... I got to stick my hands in the wound to be convinced.
There have been so many Biblical scholars in the past that convinced the masses that the end times were imminent and it didn't happen .
As poor a Christian as I am ,I neither look forward to the end of man on Earth nor think that I will be saved ,as some do, before the end days . I think waiting for the Rapture is a fools game ,and looking forward for the Rapture admits the failure of humans .I think we are all in this game to the end and should try to be like Lot.I do not look favorably at end of world prophesies . I think it is false prophesy... which we are also warned against.
As it stands lets take a look at the two formulations and see whose mathematics is the best.
Formulation 1.
We need to take into account the perfection of numbers. A perfect number is dependent upon number's divisors. For example, the divisors of 12 are 1,2,3,4 and 6. When a sum of a number's divisors is greater than the number itself it is called an 'excessive' number. On this basis 12 is an excessive number because its divisors add up to 16. On the other hand the sum of a numbers divisors is less than the number itself is called a 'defective number'. 10 is a defective number because its divisors 1, 2 and 5 only add up to 8.
The most significant and rarest numbers are those whose divisors add up to exactly to the number itself and these are PERFECT numbers. The number 6 is significant because God created the world in 6 days. The number 6 has the divisors 1,2, and 3. It is a perfect number because 1+2+3 =6. Perfect numbers are hard to fine when we consider a sequence. The next perfect number is 28 because 1+2+4+7=14 =28.
As the counting of numbers get bigger the perfect numbers become harder to find. One can do the mathematics and find that the most significant perfect number is 8,128,
If we add 8,128 and not 7,000 to 449 B.C we get a date at least a thousand years later than 2011.
Formulation 2.
[1] Genesis 7:4 and 7:10. Both referring to 7 days before the flood.
[2] Gensis 7:11. Referring to the second month. Utilizing any Hebrew Calendar converter online we see that the 17th day of the 2nd Hebrew month is equivalent to May 21. Specifically in the year 2011.
[3] Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:3,4,5. In the context of the second great flood and the destruction of the earth one day is a thousand years. Applying that 1000 years to one day in Genesis 7, we get 7000 years after the flood.
[4] IN other studies Family stations, Inc. published about 30 years ago that the Great Flood occurred in 4,990 B.C. Adding 7,000 to 4990 B.C we get 2011 A.D. The one year difference is because in going from 1 B.C. to 1.A.D. there is no year 'zero'
At the moment there is no possible way of determining which formulation to go with. Both formulations are entirely consistent within themselves.
Herein lies the problem. While being consistent both formulations lack proof. One is as good as the other.
Tom don't bother arguing with this twit he obviously hails from some end times cult. I don't know how anyone can ignore what is said in Scripture no man can know the day or the hour, that holds true now, because God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, he doesn't change his mind, none of these false prophets have ever got their calculations right. So the Church age ended in 1988, I wonder where he got that from? Does that mean no one has been saved since 1988. The whole thing is just too ridiculous and this is about current events, not religion or biblical intrepretation he just has a new twist on the 2012 prediction, he is eighteen months out. I now expect he will explain how you deduct a year an a half from one prophesy to prove another
Not only is the sky falling again, but also the Earth is shaking again.
The Bible, in Revelation, tells of the greatest earthquake of all time that will occur when the Day of Judgment begins.
MAY 21, 2011
This was not the greatest Earthquake of all time. It's not the biggest one in the last decade.
That one would be the Sumatra Earthquake of 2004 which was a 9.3 richter scale one . It created a huge tsunami on Dec 26 2004 as you may remember killing in excess of 240,000 people.
Tomder55I didn't say that the current earthquake in Japan was the greatest earthquake of all time.Quote:
this was not the greatest Earthquake of all time.
Perhaps I was not clear enough. I'm saying that the greatest earthquake of all time will happen May 21, 2011. Precisely !!!
I'll mark that date on my calendar .
I don't understand all of this-or maybe I'm just extremely scared! Mainly for my family. I have small children-they've been introduced to Jesus/God, but they haven't been baptised/saved... so when this big day comes, does that mean they won't be a part of the "chosen" ones? I was baptised in 1997-why shouldn't I still attend church or have my family attend church? How did the church days end in 1988? What is the story behind that? This is just scaring me so badly it's making me sick.
Dear Depressed in MO,
As you can see from my Reputation rating of 16, I am a newbie on this site. And I have been quite sternly reprimanded by the site Administrators on a number of occasions. Since then I've had to learn a few things.
Would you be so kind as to look at the heading of this thread. It should indicate quite clearly that we are presently in the Member Discussions board. And the rules that govern this particular type of thread are somewhat different from the rules that govern the regular question and answer format.
As I understand it, those who respond to questions in the main body of this site should do their best to continue to service the intent of the original asker's question. However, in the Member Discussions board we may address "miscellaneous statements and general conversations."
Having said all of that, you have been warned. Do you still want an answer here ? If not, may I suggest you post a new question in the main body of this site.
What are you talking about? What am I warned of? I'm asking about what you are preaching about. I thought it was related to the OP's original topic of discussion. All I was doing was asking for help to understand, I don't think that is wrong no matter what discussion topic I'm in.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
Also, we are under Current Events board, not Member Discussion, unless I'm missing something... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
D...
Don't listen to his prattle .He's one of the false profits Christians are warned against
This is what the sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit but have seen nothing!
Your prophets have become like jackals among the ruins, O Israel.
Ezekiel 13:3-4
Thanks-They even had a story about these people on CNN not that long ago-it was just so unbelieveable. Regardless, it's still a scary thought...Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO
Hi Mo,
The answer to your question is the whole thing is a made up story based on mathematics.
If you look back a few posts ago you will notice I posted an end of the world prediction based on sound mathematics. If you work it out the day I came up with is 3,139 A.D.
It is a concern of mine that people such as yourself will 'stress out' over this type baseless information. I will explain why such predictions ( including my predictions) are without any factual foundation.
If I posted my predictions in a thousand years time people might be tempted to believe it. It reads impressive and the mathematics are good..
There is, however, one small problem. I made the whole thing up as I went along. As far as I know there is no such prediction. It is a work of fiction on my part.
The reason I posted it was to demonstrate that any of these style predictions will always lack proof. In other words, working with numbers based on 'historical events' leads to all sorts of paradoxes and contradictions. One prediction is really as good as another.
The other reason I did it was to show people such as yourself, there is no need to worry.
Tut
Thank you sir. The first time I heard/read about this cult was on here a few weeks back from some other thread... then about a week or so later, I read about these people on CNN.com... I am quite a bit gullible I suppose...Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Don't listen to the doom sayers, it is their purpose to have you live in fear
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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
Depressed in MO,
Let me tell you what HSB is really saying. I have a bunch of reddies because my answers are utterly and totally ridiculous and no one on planet earth with a brain agrees with me. I am not all that new either.. I have been on this site of about a year, but I will call myself a newbie because my reputation is so poor. I have no answers for you so I will dodge your question by spouting off poo that means absolutely nothing and in the process give you a warning that you are not using the site appropriately. Suddenly you are no longer interested in what I am spouting, but worried about your own posts. In the end, I'm just a bored, obnoxious person warning the world of doomsday but honestly, I am not even sure I believe my own bull and even if I do believe it... I can't tell you what to do about it. I don't even know that I will be saved in the end.
The warning that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment is from the Bible. Therefore it is God's word. Believe the warning, and humble yourself before God. It may be that He will spare some of us.
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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
Hi HSB,
I think there are numerous errors in you thesis. I will start with the most obvious.
I stated earlier that such statements lack proof. In other words, my mock end of the world thesis is just as valid as yours. All you have to do is go through the reasoning processes of both to see they are valid However, in this case validity is not proof.
Once we get away from mathematics and look at supporting concepts then we run into all sorts of problems.
For example, a key claim of yours is the idea that,"one day is as a thousand years".
What is being expressed here is a concept of equivalence. Basically this means X is defined as y. One day can be defined as a thousand years.
No doubt you want your methodology to be consistent and faithful to the whole Bible ( you have said as much on many occasions). When applying the one day/thousand year formula to the O.T, it did not rain for forty days it actually rained for 40,000 years. In the N.T. Jesus was not resurrected from the dead in 3 days. In fact it took 3,000 years.
There are also other problems and inconsistencies within the thesis as well.
Tut
It's a math exercise by people with too much time on their hand. It is close to Dan Brown nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
Hmmm? Mathew 24:36 says:Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
Let God be true and every man a liar. Your doomsday gospel is nonsense and needs to be exposed as nonsense.
Numerous errors in your understanding of what I've posted.Quote:
TUT317 said: numerous errors in you thesis.
[1] I never said that any of that was my original scholarship. Though I do support it.
[2]The four points I've given are the barest possible skeleton of the data that refers to May 21, 2011. And I gave it that way as a response to a request from tomder55. To look at it as it stands ISOLATED from all the other supporting Bible passages is to set oneslf up to misunderstand completely. But I do understand that people sometimes want only barest facts. How they then interpret those facts is completely their own responsibility. And it's not at all surprising that out of context May 21, 2011 seems like total nonsense.Quote:
Nevertheless here are some of the passages you've requested. The ones most directly connected to May 21, 2011.
[1] Genesis 7:4 and 7:10. Both referring to seven days before the flood.
[2] Genesis 7:11. Referring to the second month and the seventeenth day of the month. Utilizing any Hebrew calendar converter online we see that the 17th day of the 2nd Hebrew month is equivalent to May 21. Specifically in the year 2011.
[3] 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:3,4,5. In the context of the great flood and the destruction of the Earth one day is as a thousand years. Applying that 1000 years to one day in Genesis 7, we get 7000 years after the flood.
[4] In other studies Family Stations, Inc. published about 30 years ago that the Great Flood occurred in 4990 B.C. Adding 7000 years to 4990 B.C. we get 2011 A.D. The one year difference is because in going from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. there is no year "zero."
Can you stop ruining our discussion with this nonsense?
Hi HSB,
I can only comment on what is posted. Nonetheless, my apologies if I attributed the wrong accreditation to said piece of work.
I would think that as it stands, even in skeletal form it is shaky. In my opinion you or the author would need to address the one day/thousand year thing. As it stand it makes no sense to apply it to the whole bible. As you can see it makes no sense to talk of one day being a thousand years when clearly some references are to actual days. And please, don't go for the common sense factor as it will only make the whole thing less tenable.
I will put on hold some of the other criticisms I had in mind because of the posting being incomplete as it were. Please keep in mind the people here are not mind readers. They can only go on what you have posted. Perhaps a fuller account might be in order.
Tut
Thanks for being open minded and honest enough to admit that what has not been posted cannot rightly be criticized. This is in no way an evasion, but the published work that supports May 21, 2011 is voluminous. And I am more than willing to share on this site as much as I am reasonably able. But there are a number of factors that limit what I may and may not post. First are the Posting Rules under Terms of Service. Number 6."Do not post content that is significantly equivalent to content found elsewhere on the internet if it can be linked to." And rule 7 in reference to copyrighted material is also relevant. And rule 10 about advertising or spamming has also been brought to my attention by the administrators of this site.Quote:
TUT317 said: Nonetheless, my apologies if I attributed the wrong accreditation to said piece of work.
Don't worry about the 'common sense' factor. If all of that were mere common sense, then most likely there would be quite a few others who also would have found the same revelation independently of each other.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Hi Clete,
Ok, I promise I won't mention it again. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.
Regards
Tut
I wasn't referring to you Tut but to the boy who thinks he has an absolute date for apolypse.I think it is interesting that there is a coincidence between supermoon and many modern day calamities, leading to a conclusion that the shifts in the moon's tidal influences, however small, do have a greater impact than we think. I think we forget that not only does the Moon influence oceans but there is a vast quantity of water within the Earth and that anything fluid, such as magma, can be subject to tidal influences. I was waiting for such a discussion to emerge but the lunatic fringe hijacked the debate
Give or take some distance ;the moon has pretty much followed a regular rotation around the earth.
I don't dispute your contention that the moon affects more than just tides . I think it is established that the earth's crust gets squeezed too.
But the moon's rotation is predictable more or less. Every month it completes a trip. Is there any evidence you are aware of that would support your claim that the moon's distance from the Earth has caused the current 'rash ' of tectonic activity ?
I don't recall making that claim Tom, but as it is "merely" approaching a little closer at the moment. I think you should take a look at a tide chart. The difference between normal and king tides is really quite large for the small fluctuations in orbit and as water weights a ton per cubic metre that is a lot of weight shifting around and the energy has to go somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If you read the article that Paraclete referenced it says that this month the moon will be closer than it has been in the last 18 years (since 1993). So that means you can expect that whatever "calamity" comes about because of it will be a bit less than whatever "calamity" occurred last time around, in 1993. For the life of me I can't recall what major catastrophes happened in 1993 - maybe it was that Bill Clinton announced the "Don't Ask Don't Tell " policy? (just kiddin)
And Tut - you stated that 8126 is the "most significant" perfect number - why is that? What makes that perfect number more "significant" than, say, either 496 or 33550336?
1993... the US was cut in half by a flood due to saturated soil and heavy rains. The saturated soil was the result of what was called 'The Storm of the Century " in March of 1993 .
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