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US Government Officials Admit That They Lied About Actual Impact Of Wikileaks

US Government Officials Admit That They Lied About Actual Impact Of Wikileaks To Bolster Legal Effort | Techdirt

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So... it seems rather interesting to see that US officials are now admitting that no serious "harm" has been caused by the leaks. In fact, the White House has admitted privately that it purposely lied about the supposed impact " in order to bolster legal efforts to shut down the WikiLeaks website and bring charges against the leakers." Implicated as chief among the official liars: State Department spokesperson PJ Crowley, who lead the propaganda campaign against Wikileaks for the past few months, claiming "there has been substantial damage," and that "hundreds of people have been put at potential risk." And yet, when Congress asked the State Department to back up those statements, officials told them it really wasn't that big of a deal.

Well we saw that coming a mile away.

What a surprise ! The Obots think the Wikileaks espionage is no biggie! No doubt they are secretly cheering Assange on .

Hehe, "Obots" - how juvenile.

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What a suprise ! The Obots think the Wikileaks espionage is no biggie !! No doubt they are secretly cheering Assange on .

Hello tom:

Not only is it no biggie, it's been a tremendous boon to us. Assange fomented the uprising in Tunisia.. That's GOOD for us and our war on terror... It's certainly GOOD for the Tunisians. Other corrupt Arab regimes may begin to fall. That's GOOD for us and the war on terror. Transparency is GOOD. People do the right things when they know the TRUTH. The TRUTH shall set you free.

You betcha I'm cheering Assange on, and not so quietly either... He's a PATRIOT of the first magnitude...

excon

So this is the big deal... the US government lied... you telling us that like we don't know they lie... I think it's called spin... who knows Assange may even be responsible for the US taking a more reasonable approach to China

You mean sucking up ,bowing and surrendering to the cadres.

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you mean sucking up ,bowing and surrendering to the cadres.

Yeh, that's it, showing some oriental respect instead of shooting the big mouth off. Sometimes all it takes is putting yourself in the other fellows shoes.

I recall when we had a visit from Bush with the Chinese leader the following day. The reception couldn't be more different and the mood of the protesters couldn't be more different. You can't treat everyone the same, one is not offended by protesters the other is

I wouldn't allow the butcher of Beijing into the country.
Besides ,he is China's old news . The officer corps has taken over the country . Hu didn't even know the Chengdu J-20 was going to be rolled out during Def Sec Gates visit.

You along with the rest of the free world should be concerned that a schism exists between the Communist dictatorship and a heavily armed expansionist military.

They have been testing the borders all year ;including excursions into disputed borders with India and into North Korea... and yet the
World press remains silent .

Report: Chinese Troops Cross Into Indian Territory - CBS News

China Moves Troops Into North Korea - Salem-News.Com

They have had provocations against Japan ;are surronding India with their 'string of pearls ' strategy... and are occupying any uninhabited atoll in the South China Sea... even planting their flag with a sub on the sea foor itself .

You see them as a trading partner for your flooded coal mines... but they will soon dictate to you too.

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I wouldn't allow the butcher of Beijing into the country.
Besides ,he is China's old news . The officer corps has taken over the country . Hu didn't even know the Chengdu J-20 was going to be rolled out during Def Sec Gates visit.

You along with the rest of the free world should be concerned that a schism exists between the Communist dictatorship and a heavily armed expansionist military.

They have been testing the borders all year ;including excursions into disputed borders with India and into North Korea ....and yet the
world press remains silent .

Report: Chinese Troops Cross Into Indian Territory - CBS News

China Moves Troops Into North Korea - Salem-News.Com

They have had provocations against Japan ;are surronding India with their 'string of pearls ' strategy ...and are occupying any unihabited atoll in the South China Sea ...even planting their flag with a sub on the sea foor itself .

You see them as a trading partner for your flooded coal mines ...but they will soon dictate to you too.

You wouldn't allow the butcher of Beijing into your country and I wouldn't allow Bush, the butcher of Baghdad, into mine. Yes we'll sell them coal and gas but you know Tom, restriction of supply hurts them, particularly if they have to buy at spot prices, What would you have us do? Not sell to them so the US could grab the supply contracts or force another war over commodities.

Over here we think white man speak with forked tongue. We know from experience your only real interest is what you can grab for yourselves, whether that be wheat supply contacts to Iraq or selling uranium to India. Your rhetoric is whatever conveniently suits the moment. When will Gitmo be shut down or do you need it to house Assange?

We have no interst in occupying atolls in the South China Sea but oddly enough the US sees things differently, still occupying atolls in the South Pacific and parts of Japan.

I'm not too concerned about Chinese internal politics and their military because any direction they might go isn't south. If I lived in Russia I might be concerned, but India, No I expect they see a nuclear armed nation with whom they have a border dispute and they take appropriate action. If the US lived with a nuclear armed nation or two on their borders they would be busily surrounding them. I place China in the same context as I place Russia, they have been invaded by their neighbours in the past and they are paranoid, I think some of that paranoia exists in the US too

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I wouldn't allow the butcher of Baghdad into mine

The butcher of Baghdad ? Neither would I . Fortunately he lies a-mouldering in the grave.

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When will Gitmo be shut down

When the Obots conduct military tribunals . What's taking them so long ? All the hurdles have been cleared and they are indicating that they will conduct them.

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We have no interst in occupying atolls in the South China Sea... I'm not too concerned about Chinese internal politics and their military because any direction they might go isn't south.

No but the Chinese certainly do . They see the South China Sea as their lake. Oh ,I get it... you think they will stop at the Philippines... lol . When you lose the US security blanket I guess you'll be content living behind the rice curtain.

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The butcher of Baghdad ? Neither would I . Fortunately he lies a-mouldering in the grave.

When the Obots conduct military tribunals . What's taking them so long ? All the hurdles have been cleared and they are indicating that they will conduct them.

No but the Chinese certainly do . They see the South China Sea as their lake. Oh ,I get it ...you think they will stop at the Phillipines ....lol . When you lose the US security blanket I guess you'll be content living behind the rice curtain.

Bush is the butcher of Baghdad, Tom, count the hundreds of thousands who died for the impossible dream.

Military tribunals, you mean shamtrials. The reason they haven't happened is you have no evidence to convict. All you can really prove is opportunity and that which has been extracted by torture and brutality

We well remember the US security blanket, Tom, and we remember how well you maintained the threat of the iron curtain, and the rice curtain. I think they have proved to be a myth. I'm not sure the planes the US will supply us with are up to the task. You see, when you force others to innovate they come up with innovative solutions. You can run a few aircraft carriers around the Pacific but I'm not sure they represent a security blanket. The Chinese prefer walking to sailing, far easier to move a million men. You will maintain your interest in the Philippines but when it is lost, will you retreat to Hawaii or LA? You need to remember we have seen the scenario you advance before.

You have long forgotten the communist maxim and I will remind you again. We will sell the last capitalist the rope to hang himself. Consider how the Chinese have advanced themselves along the road because I expect the gallows to be built with american timber. Not only have you exported your industries to them, you have borrowed money from them to buy the goods they make

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You have long forgotten the communist maxim and I will remind you again. We will sell the last capitalist the rope to hang himself. Consider how the Chinese have advanced themselves along the road because I expect the gallows to be built with american timber. Not only have you exported your industries to them, you have borrowed money from them to buy the goods they make

Nahhh they will use Aussie steel.

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Hello tom:

Not only is it no biggie, it's been a tremendous boon to us. Assange fomented the uprising in Tunisia.. That's GOOD for us and our war on terror... It's certainly GOOD for the Tunisians. Other corrupt Arab regimes may begin to fall. That's GOOD for us and the war on terror. Transparency is GOOD. People do the right things when they know the TRUTH. The TRUTH shall set you free.

You betcha I'm cheering Assange on, and not so quietly either... He's a PATRIOT of the first magnitude...

excon

So when he outright stole US docs by pirate methods and publishing them you think he's a HERO. I'm not talking about Manning's dump as bad as it is , I'm talking about his computers in Sweden gaining acess to US military hard drives by some means I'm not clear about but it involved piggy backing and on peer to peer emails the soldiers use when they share music files .
WikiLeaks obtains much secret data from P2P nets, not leaks, firm claims - Computerworld .

That is theft... a criminal act by itself regardless of what Assange ;the self proclaimed arbiter of what the public should know, thought was worth revealing .

However ,the information he revealed was harldy the inconsequential stuff you think. This goes well beyond a joke a diplomat said about Putin .He is revealing things like where the Navy was placing sensors in the Pacific... or the locations of 'safe houses ' for the First Family ,or specifications about the President's helicopter . This is not whistle blower stuff ;it is not journalism... it is espionage plain and simple .

Eric Holder has to do everything in his power to shut down Wikileaks .

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I'm talking about his computers in Sweden gaining acess to US military hard drives by some means I'm not clear about but it involved piggy backing and on peer to peer emails the soldiers use when they share music files .
WikiLeaks obtains much secret data from P2P nets, not leaks, firm claims - Computerworld

Yup when some noob shares their entire hard drive with a peer-to-peer application the contents of his hard drive are available to all who use the same application. It isn't hacking. Everyone can see the contents by doing keyword searches, even you. If you think Assange is a criminal then you need to go after around 20 million other people who get their kicks searching for stuff on P2P networks for stuff inadvertently shared by people unclear on the technology they are using.

He had hardware that was programmed to troll for national security related information... it is theft and piracy and espionage.

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That is theft ...a criminal act by itself regardless of what Assange ;

Hello tom:

Who owns the information the government has? The government?? You? Me? I don't think you can steal from yourself.

excon

Any 12 year old on KaZaa could put in the search term "helicopter blueprints", if some stupid grunt installed KaZaa on his military computer and set it to share his entire hard drive then it's available to all.

Give me more details on "hardware that was programmed".

He is an Aussie using Swedish based computers to steal from US government owned data bases for the purpose of undermining the United States .

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He is an Aussie using Swedish based computers to steal from US government owned data bases for the purpose of undermining the United States .

Nothing was stolen - it was shared for the world to see. You don't seem to get that part. No hacking occurred - it's simple!

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Any 12 year old on KaZaa could put in the search term "helicopter blueprints", if some stupid grunt installed KaZaa on his military computer and set it to share his entire hard drive then it's available to all.

Give me more details on "hardware that was programmed".

Show me the specs of the President's helicopter that you could download without stealing it ?

KaZaa and Gnutella/Limewire networks are gone now, or else I could have had some fun with you, getting you to install it and configure it. :)

Kazaa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gnutella - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So essentially you link to to pirate sites and that makes it acceptable to steal intellectual property?

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He is an Aussie using Swedish based computers to steal from US government owned data bases for the purpose of undermining the United States .

Hello again, tom:

Do you think the people of Tunisia feel undermined?? I don't think they do... I think they feel LIBERATED... The guy who feels undermined is the corrupt leader who got overthrown BECAUSE of Assange. Revealing corruption ISN'T undermining anything except the corruption... That's good... I don't know why you don't think it is.

excon

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so essentially you link to to pirate sites and that makes it acceptable to steal intellectual property?

They are no links to pirate sites at all, if you don't understand the technology don't post what you think is damning evidence about it.

So you are OK if a hacker can use this to get into your computer to download your stuff ? Or perhaps you think that the victims of piracy deserve what they get . I heard a hacker boast this week that there was no security system that couldn't get hacked . I guess in your mind that makes it OK for them to do it.

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I guess in your mind that makes it ok for them to do it.

Nope, I'm just correcting you on the technology. I protect myself from hackers and so should everyone else. I believe in personal responsibility.

Once again it wasn't hacking, it's akin to you putting a box of all your stuff in your front yard and wondering why people are taking a copy of your stuff.

Ex ,it's just silly to think that the people of Tunisia did not know of the corruption of the Ben Ali regime.They lived under his iron fisted rule for 2 decades .The revolt was sparked by the suicide of a university graduate prevented by police from selling fruit and vegetables to make a living.

I give all credit to the people ,not to Wikileaks .

However ,what you will likely see there is the rise of another jihadist state. What is missing is the logic of the Bush Doctrine and the belief that the choice between despots and jihadists is a false choice... that freedom and liberty is a 3rd choice . I pray they make the 3rd choice.

So we're living under a regime that's lying to us? I thought all that was gone with Bush and the installation of the most ethical, honest, transparent administration evah!

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Ex ,it's just silly to think that the people of Tunisia did not know of the corruption of the Ben Ali regime.

Hello again, tom:

Speculating that your leader is corrupt, and having it CONFIRMED are two different things. His overthrow is a GOOD thing. If you want to attribute it to something else, OK.

excon

Confirmation in the form of a US diplomat's analysis in 2010 ? Why not Foreign Policy's expose on the 1st Lady's shopping prowess in 2008 ? Why not Human Rights Watch analysis of the 2009 Tunisia election that was held according to them in "an atmosphere of repression".
The fact that the leaked cable made mention to protests already underway is comletely besides the point.
I think the self immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi on Dec 17 had much more to do with the government's collapse than the release of a US diplomatic cable.

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it's akin to you putting a box of all your stuff in your front yard and wondering why people are taking a copy of your stuff.

Or someone picking your lock and walking away with your file cabinet.

Hello again, tom:

Who's to say what's in the mind of a revolutionary? Maybe they read Thomas Jefferson's thing about the tree of liberty. Or, maybe the leak was the straw... I don't know. Somebody burning themselves up would have done it for me.

excon

There have been copy cat suicides in Algiers and Egypt this month..

And yes there have been times where diplomatic cable releases have been the impetus for upheaval . The intercept of the Zimmerman telegram comes to mind.

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or someone picking your lock and walking away with your file cabinet.

Nope not at all. I've spent a few posts trying to explain to you but to no avail I see.

Soldier A sends soldier B a download of Lady Gaga . Wiki through pirateware hitches a ride on the transmission and gains access to a hard drive it has no right to be in... lifts classified information... releases it around the world .

And you think they have every right to do so ? You're a strange one .Suppose instead of doing that they got into your computer and published your acct #s and passwords or lifted intellectual property that is rightfully yours ?

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soldier A sends soldier B a download of Lady Gaga .

And you think they have every right to do so ? You're a strange one .

Hello again, tom:

I don't know. A reporter meets a government snitch under a bridge... The snitch is only identified as Deep Throat. Deep Throat leaks government secrets to the reporter, and the reporter writes a best selling book about it.

Did he (they) have the right to do that?

excon

The government snitch called Deep Throat(FBI agent Mark Felt who had a personal vendetta against Nixon .He thought he was due to become director of the FBI after Hoover's death and thought Nixon snubbed him.)... told Woodward and Bernstein to follow the money.. He steered them in the right direction .He never disclosed any classified information .

What we have here is espionage pure and simple. Assange' claim to journalism is very weak.

In the case I cite 'Soldier A 'never knows his private email is being used to penetrate government files. In the case of PFC Manning... he is as guilty as Assange .

BTW... Felt was convicted of a felony for ordering the breaking into members of the Weather Underground' homes in a attempt to prevent the bombing spree they were on. Reagan pardoned him.

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soldier A sends soldier B a download of Lady Gaga . Wiki through pirateware hitches a ride on the transmission and gains access to a hard drive it has no right to be in.....lifts classified information ...releases it around the world

You have absolutely no idea how the p2p technology works, you're digging yourself a deeper hole, please stop, it's embarrassing.

Yes or no... can it be legally used to go into government computers and download filed that are US property ?

If so explain how it can be legally used for that purpose .