Someone please explain the reasoning behind gas prices. I don't understand the increase, decrease, increase, bigger increase, even bigger increase etc...
It seems like it increases every Holiday. Who's pulling the strings?
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Someone please explain the reasoning behind gas prices. I don't understand the increase, decrease, increase, bigger increase, even bigger increase etc...
It seems like it increases every Holiday. Who's pulling the strings?
The left is causing an artificial shortage by blocking new refinery construction and new drilling where there are known reserves in order to drive up taxes and payoffs to not make it even worse.
If it was the MAFIA it would be called extortion... but when the democrats do it its called business as usual.
That's interesting since what you say goes against all the facts:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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But don't let the facts get in the way of your political ideology. :)
Really, the fact that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the USA in 30 years... or the fact that Obama has blocked drilling in MOST places we know we have oil...
Or are you talking about the "facts" the Oil Industry haters in the DNC want pushed? Off Florida. ( you know where the CHINESE are now drilling but we aren't allowed to) .on Federal Land... In Alaska, off the West Coast, North Dakota.
So how did gas prices soar to hit their highest peaks (much higher than now) during the Bush years?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You do know Bush wasn't an omnipotient king... and the left was blocking it back then too.
The refineries are at full capacity now and can't do more... ANYTHING that happens as a resault will cause problems because nobody else has spare capacity top make up for anything.
Dude you're funny. :D
Hey had to point that out... certain people seem to think he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
it is true that fuel prices are pushed by available refinery capacity, but the greater push is coming from the demand of developing nations, China will double its demand in the next twenty years and you can expect base prices to be beyond $100 a barrel in the next year. When you couple this with the falling value of the $US you will pay a lot more for fuel. Blame your politicians for this because their policies have caused the situation. There is nothing else for it, vehicles have to become more fuel efficient and there have to be less journeys made. What I find ridiculous is that fifty years ago we had a family car that would return 40 miles a gallon and we have lost that ability because pollution control modifications and the obscession with heavier vehicles. This is a zero net sum gain
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Its because in times of old gas / oil was controlled by the oil companies. And we had cheap gas. The estimates today of $1 a gallon gas had it not been for 1 little thing. Gas and heating oil etc was moved to the commodities market and therefore drove the prices up in an artificial way. If it were returned to the oil companies then we wouldn't have as high a price to pay. Then again they would have to control us in other ways. I personally would like to see it return to where it used to be and to strip it from the commodities market. Diesel gas should be cheaper then gasoline because its more of a by product and gasoline shouldn't be mixed with alcohol as it causes you to use more of it not less.
yup there is much speculation . But another factor not considered is the one that explains the rise in precious metals... the value of the American Dollar .Quote:
Gas and heating oil etc was moved to the commodities market and therefore drove the prices up in an artificial way.
But why does it seem to go up during every Holiday? Is that because we're expected to drive more and the demand is higher?
I apologize but I am not educated in politics, or anything to do with this!
Itstudent yes prices fluctuate with demand and there may be a sprinkle of opportunism
I sprinkle??Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We are getting peed on. Lol
Hello IT:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom hit the nail on the head, but he didn't go far enough... In the SHORT term marketplace, there are shortages and overages depending on local demand and holiday travel. That'll effect local short term prices.
However, the LONG term price of oil hasn't really gone up. The price of the dollar has gone down. Consider, that when I was a kid, I could buy a gallon of gas for a silver quarter. THAT silver quarter will STILL buy me a gallon of gas, and I'll get some change back. So, the price of oil in terms of GOLD or SILVER, or even real estate for that matter, hasn't changed.
The phenomenon that created this plunge in the price of our dollar is inflation.. The fed is inflating the economy right now. I'd buy some gold if I were you.
excon
I'm beginning to understand.
1. Don't travel during Holidays.
2. Buy lots of gold!! ;)
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Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
Don't forget to bring that arm and leg with you when you do have to fill up.
:)
Damn it. Not my other Arm and Leg. I lost a set filling up the car today!
Stop complaining when you pay more than $5 a gallon let's have this conversationQuote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
I'll complain whenever I want to. If you think that just because you pay $5/gallon everyone else paying less should be considered lucky then you're twisted. You should probably move or buy a different car (not sure why you're paying so much)
I am not going to feel better about this just because I know somewhere out there some dude is paying $5. That's tough luck for you, you were short strawed buddy!
The thought of me only paying $3.19 but you paying $5 doesn't matter. It doesn't change my situation and certainly doesn't put gas in my cars.
I'd bet the Aussie giverment sees petrol taxes as a revenue source. Many of our States do the same . $5 gas is coming to the US soon enough. The Fed and the Treasury Dept has shown little interest in King dollar .They think a devalued currency is a way to bolster US exports. They are sadly mistaken .Quote:
not sure why you're paying so much
Poor little you!Quote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
You live in a place where the prices are very much less than they are elsewhere in the world and you are getting a taste of the way it will be. You want sympathy, you won't get any from me. I have had to deal with sharp increases in fuel prices and its tough, but you adjust. You will just have to use your car less and suck it up. You want a solution; get a bicycle
Yes Tom there is a component of tax, probably half and we haven't got to the days of greeenhouse gas reduction initiatives yet. I suggest you buy aussie dollars, they are going to improve in value. Back in the days when the aussie dollar was 50 cents to the US I didn't think I'd see the day again when the aussie was worth more than the US but along came yesterday. It's interesting we pay lots of taxes and we have a strong dollar and you pay less and your dollar is weak, I wonder if anyone has done any research on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Devaluing the currency does boost exports but it makes imports more expensive so it depends where the balance of trade is. I think it just makes you more indebted to China the way trade goes these days. It helps our exports too since some fool wrote our export contracts in US dollars and so our exports are cheaper too
The $US is rapidly losing its status as the World Reserve Currency. As the fed prints more and more dollars, the dollar looses its buying power. Prices of every commodity are going up, and will continue to do so, in the long run.
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And... this provides us with what answer?
Add a hat tip to the Chinese not floating their currency to it's true value. In my humble opinion that amts to protectionism bordering on trade war.Quote:
Devaluing the currency does boost exports but it makes imports more expensive so it depends where the balance of trade is. I think it just makes you more indebted to China the way trade goes these days. It helps our exports too since some fool wrote our export contracts in US dollars and so our exports are cheaper too
Yes it is protectionism but don't kid yourself the US hasn't used the value of its currency to its advantage. You guys can't talk about protectionism with your agricultural subsidies supporting inefficient industries. The reality is there is no level playing field in international trade and with hedge funds playing it fast and loose with the currency market I applaud the Chinese for not allowing their currency to be played with by the marketQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The good news is that you have never heard me defend subsidies
"Who's pulling the strings?" is THE question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
Certainly, normal economic forces are always at play with prices, as noted in several posts here.
But, for the wild swings in gas prices, such as experienced over the last few years, look no further than the usual suspect - Wall Street.
As Califdadof3 first mentioned, it was the players in the Commodity Exchange (can you spell Goldman Sachs?) who began to speculate on oil, even though they were neither producer nor consumer of the commodity (a no-no), and who drove the price to almost $150 a barrel until that particular bubble burst.
Goldman walked away with untold billions in this little-known piece of financial manipulation. It's not easy to track this finagling because the commodity exchange is far from transparent and is not effectively regulated.
This fraud does not lend itself to soundbites; it's complicated, so the media simply does not, cannot, cover it. The politicians don't care because their constituents can't understand it.
If you're truly interested, educate yourself, run for office, and expose the mess. Good luck!
A much more "understandable" solution would be for Americans (and others) to stop being such pigs as consumers, but that is not likely to happen either. It's not unlike blaming the drug problem on Mexico or Afghanistan or someplace else, while the American culture of the pig continues to demand whatever drugs they want.
I hadn't heard it explained quite that way but it's true you can't indulge yourself without paying the price. This pig culture doesn't stop at drugs, it exists in food, in autos and in many industries which are depenent upon consumption, without the pig the economy would collapseQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Did I ask for sympathy? Especially your sympathy? I don't think so! I don't want sympathy from someone who tries to make me feel good about where I live just because he/she thinks they live in a sh1thole and they're worse-off then me. Suck it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You want a solution? Move!
I referenced the consumer culture which includes everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
"Drugs" are a small part of the overall economy which CAN be stopped by less consumption.
As to the question of consumption in general, I understand there is no economy without consumption. But consumption does not need to be excessive for a viable economy.
When segments of society experience want and even starvation, and other segments of that society spend billions of dollars to reduce obesity, something is very, very wrong.
Yes I think Michael Moore summarised it well with supersize me, I am fed up with being upsold whether it is in fast food or in other goods. I don't need a king size bed, I don't need a two ton car etc. Drugs are a different issue symptomatic of a society that has lost its wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Interesting point about drugs being a symptom of a larger problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Another, more basic, point about the nature of advertising; if I had to zero in on any single focus driving an excessive economy of consumption, advertising may be the primary culprit.
The power of promising love and happiness by purchasing the right kind of lipstick would be absurd if only it didn't work. But it does. In fact, it works beyond the dreams of any Madison Avenue copywriter that ever put pen to paper.
Discovering human motivations has been one of the most powerful and most destructive of all human endeavors. And there's no end in sight.
Yes I agree that advertising and marketing are the basic problem, people are being sold what they do not need, we have too much of everything and have been taught/motivated to want moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
For your information I live in a much better place than you do even if fuel prices are a little rich, so, buddy, you can stick your attitude where the sun don't shine. As you say suck it up! I'm glad you got that point at least. Pay the priceQuote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
Attitude? I am simply talking to you like you were talking to me. (sucks huh)
How can you possibly justify suggesting where you live is better then where I do... ohhh I forgot, you know everything!
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